The gay sales pitch (according to OMM)...

[Something Amyss]

"That's right, Jimmy! You too can have an exciting, fulfilling life as part of a historically-marginalized demographic! You can look forward to potentially being thrown out of the house by your parents and getting beaten to death in the street by strangers! Or maybe, depending on where you live, you'll get to never marry the person you love! And all you have to do is overcome your aversion to cock! Whaddaya say?!"

That's the problem: Bigots rarely think that far.

People who are convinced that homosexuality is a choice never think about what that "choice" entails: pain, fear, possibly death.

 

[Something Amyss]

He was straight even had 2 kids but with the reboot there really isn't anything about him set in stone so anything can go and they are taking advantage of it by getting rid of his family and making him gay.

Gay people can have kids, you know. Gay people can have families, and even long-term partnerships. It's one of the funny things about forcing people to hide their sexuality.

 

[aba1]

He was straight even had 2 kids but with the reboot there really isn't anything about him set in stone so anything can go and they are taking advantage of it by getting rid of his family and making him gay.

Gay people can have kids, you know. Gay people can have families, and even long-term partnerships. It's one of the funny things about forcing people to hide their sexuality.

I realize that but they aren't making him come out of the closet they are just arbitrarily turning him gay and removing his past continuity. Either way so long as the comics don't use any of the previous continuity it really doesn't bother me since it will all make sense.

 

[Soviet Steve]

They need to add more words to their organization's title so they can be "OMM NOM"

North Of Mexico?

 

[Thurston]

Suggestions to the OMM:

1) Comic books are primarily purchased by those over twenty, so perhaps you'd like to start with "Why won't somebody think of the twenty-somethings?!?"

2) Change the name of your organization so that critics can't bring up the membership disparity EVERY SINGLE TIME. It makes you seem self-aggrandizing and boastful, rather than rational and concerned.

 

[geK0]

They need to add more words to their organization's title so they can be "OMM NOM"

North Of Mexico?

O.M.M.N.O.M.
One Million Moms, North of Mexico
sounds pretty good!

OT:

You'd think they would be more concerned with violence, drugs, or some other things appearing in comics : \
I mean, a villain can rob a bank, hold people hostage and waste some police and that's just fine, but when a super hero wants to get into another man's trousers THAT crosses some sort of line.....Why don't they put all this money and effort into children's hospitals or something?

 

[El Dwarfio]

How does being a mother excuse being a homophobic moron?

Any animal can breed, your opinion isn't worth more just because you can fulfill a biological imperative.

'Won't somebody think of the children' and 'As a mother...' are the worst precursors to bigoted statements since 'I'm not a racist but...'

I just see it as another example of how america is 30 years behind the rest of the world.

For all there rubbish about freedom and liberty they sure like to with-hold a lot basic human rights. I mean a guest lecturer came to our university the other week to give a talk on "why interracial marriage was OK."

What the actual fuck? In what other developed country would that talk be necessary?

 

[Soviet Steve]

O.M.M.N.O.M.
One Million Moms, North of Mexico
sounds pretty good!

OT:

You'd think they would be more concerned with violence, drugs, or some other things appearing in comics : \
I mean, a villain can rob a bank, hold people hostage and waste some police and that's just fine, but when a super hero wants to get into another man's trousers THAT crosses some sort of line.....Why don't they put all this money and effort into children's hospitals or something?

Oh shesh, if a million moms comes together and don't worry about men fucking men then who is?

Also captcha:
lunatic fridge

I'd say fringe but the last captcha wasn't this good sport.

 

[SilverBullets000]

In other news OMM opposes Marvel Comics decision to change its long-time white hero Thor into a African-American man on the fear that their kids may grow up wanting to become black.

See what I did there alongside the example of stupidity.

Nnnnnnnn, damn! Sir, I kind of have to point out that there are fans of Thor who would actually rather him unchanged. While they aren't necessarily against the change, they just would rather stay with the Thor they enjoyed. I do agree that OMM is stupid, but what about those fans who would just rather their favorite super hero be straight for the sake of continuity?

OT: Yeah, One Million Moms is stupid to protest this, but at the same time, this leaves fans in kind of a weird spot. Any hero could be the new gay guy, including your favorite. This wouldn't change him for some, but it could be the breaking point for others who rathered the character straight; not necessarily because of homophobia but because the change might alter the character's personality a little too much or imply things about what the character has done before (like Batman and Robin. We all know the jokes already).
After all, would Superman or Spiderman really be their respective characters if one didn't have Lois Lane and the other Mary Jane?
...Ah, hell, wait, neither one of those characters have their girlfriends anymore. *sobs in a corner*

Captcha: Let go...I'm trying, captcha, I'm trying. Dx

 

[Dags90]

Its sad to me. It really is. Because when you get right down to it. The ONLY people you hear voice dissent about homosexuality are the insane wingnuts like this

To be fair, that woman is clinically insane. She's a diagnosed schizophrenic, and it's pretty obvious from the video that she isn't well. She needs help.

I know when I see disabled superheroes my first thought it "gee, I wish I could get into a horrible car wreck so I could have a cool wheelchair". I know a couple kids who went an played in traffic after seeing Oracle.

 

[Something Amyss]

I realize that but they aren't making him come out of the closet they are just arbitrarily turning him gay and removing his past continuity.

That's not really what they said.

 

[Something Amyss]

If they gave the least little bit of exposure to those resisting on logical ground it would be understandable

What, exactly, is the logical stance? Because looking at the people who willingly register their dissent, I'm not seeing any.

In other words, if you're going to call for equivalence, please make sure it's not false equivalence.

 

[viranimus]

[ Because looking at the people who willingly register their dissent, I'm not seeing any.

Thats sort of the point. If you look at crazy your not going to see logic. If the media only presents crazy youll not see a public perception of logic. The media chooses to only show the worst case scenario in any situation.

Then there is the issue of "I personally dont think there is any validity in the other sides points, So I ignore any claims they make as invalid and goad them into expressing their opinion for no other reason so I can tell them how invalid their position is." people that plagues those in the affirmative. So it doesn't matter what logical ends are presented they are dismissed and rejected. Its sort of ironic to me that the ones decrying and demanding people being open minded about their ideas are closed minded to any idea that is not in line with their own personal thinking.

So if people are going to dismiss your position and know they will dismiss it before you even speak it is it at all surprising people are less likely to publicly express it? Then all you are left with is the wing nuts who dont care that your going to ignore them, and when they speak all that comes out is rancid hatred and bile.

 

[Something Amyss]

Thats sort of the point. If you look at crazy your not going to see logic.

Except the "crazy" is the only viewpoint even the anti-gay folks bring up. I'm not talking about teh ebul ibrul medierh portraying people as crazy. I see comments on here and other site reflecting the same views.

But please, enlighten me. What is the reasonable anti-gay standpoint?

 

[viranimus]

Thats sort of the point. If you look at crazy your not going to see logic.

Except the "crazy" is the only viewpoint even the anti-gay folks bring up. I'm not talking about teh ebul ibrul medierh portraying people as crazy. I see comments on here and other site reflecting the same views.

But please, enlighten me. What is the reasonable anti-gay standpoint?

Again that is not true. And why should I bother bringing up what is just as easy for you to research on your own when your aggressiveness in this issue illustrates your NOT looking for the answer to the question you ask nearly as much as your looking to goad an argument so you can dismiss anything that doesnt fall in line with your view as invalid.

If you want it, its not hard to look it up. But I am not going to argue positions I do not personally hold so you can try to knock em down and bash them as if they are completely invalid arguments instead of considering what validity they might hold.

 

[Something Amyss]

But I am not going to argue positions I do not personally hold so you can try to knock em down and bash them as if they are completely invalid arguments instead of considering what validity they might hold.

Then don't try and argue they exist. You claim it's not hard; I have looked and have not found it. You argue you don't hold them, but hold them as some sort of rational equivalent. You are arguing some sort of media bias hiding the more sensible argument, but will not produce it.

If you don't have anything to offer, don't bother making such empty claims. It's ridiculous.

 

[uttaku]

How does being a mother excuse being a homophobic moron?

Any animal can breed, your opinion isn't worth more just because you can fulfill a biological imperative.

'Won't somebody think of the children' and 'As a mother...' are the worst precursors to bigoted statements since 'I'm not a racist but...'

All i can think of when people say 'as a mother' is 'i forgot to use a condom and that makes my opinion better than yours'

 

[viranimus]

But I am not going to argue positions I do not personally hold so you can try to knock em down and bash them as if they are completely invalid arguments instead of considering what validity they might hold.

Then don't try and argue they exist. You claim it's not hard; I have looked and have not found it. You argue you don't hold them, but hold them as some sort of rational equivalent. You are arguing some sort of media bias hiding the more sensible argument, but will not produce it.

If you don't have anything to offer, don't bother making such empty claims. It's ridiculous.

No, its not arguing with someone who already has their mind made up on a subject and who is looking for nothing else than to pick a fight. That kind of behavior is WHY you dont see the logical arguments presented more often. What is the point of presenting a logical argument to anyone who is simply going to dismiss it anyway? Thats why you only hear the wingnuts..Because they dont care about their argument being logical or the fact its going to be dismissed.

Now the simple fact is, you HAVE seen these arguments. You dont view them as valid, or else you would understand which are valid and which are not.

You cannot shine light into a locked room with no windows or doors. - Fortune cookie

 

[Something Amyss]

No, its not arguing with someone who already has their mind made up on a subject and who is looking for nothing else than to pick a fight.

I asked for a rational stance, which you claimed existed. You made up the rest. It really sounds like you're the one spoiling for a fight with the whole "your close minded lolol" shtick.

That kind of behavior is WHY you dont see the logical arguments presented more often.

I don't see them presented AT ALL. For someone insisting it's a shame the "crazies" are features, you sure are content to let them be the only representation.

What is the point of presenting a logical argument to anyone who is simply going to dismiss it anyway?

That's cult logic, son.

Now the simple fact is, you HAVE seen these arguments. You dont view them as valid, or else you would understand which are valid and which are not.

That's CIRCULAR cult logic, son.

You cannot shine light into a locked room with no windows or doors. - Fortune cookie

That's trite and cute, but the only reason this is an "issue" is that you've predescribed me as such, which is prejudicial and exactly the sort of thing you're supposedly condemning.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

But I am not going to argue positions I do not personally hold so you can try to knock em down and bash them as if they are completely invalid arguments instead of considering what validity they might hold.

Then don't try and argue they exist. You claim it's not hard; I have looked and have not found it. You argue you don't hold them, but hold them as some sort of rational equivalent. You are arguing some sort of media bias hiding the more sensible argument, but will not produce it.

If you don't have anything to offer, don't bother making such empty claims. It's ridiculous.

No, its not arguing with someone who already has their mind made up on a subject and who is looking for nothing else than to pick a fight. That kind of behavior is WHY you dont see the logical arguments presented more often. What is the point of presenting a logical argument to anyone who is simply going to dismiss it anyway? Thats why you only hear the wingnuts..Because they dont care about their argument being logical or the fact its going to be dismissed.

Now the simple fact is, you HAVE seen these arguments. You dont view them as valid, or else you would understand which are valid and which are not.

You cannot shine light into a locked room with no windows or doors. - Fortune cookie

I consider myself open minded, and I'm always up for a healthy debate. But unfortunately google hits only brings up the worst representatives of the opposition. Is there any source you use or know of that you consider respectable?