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SuperFriendBFG said:
bad rider said:
I can see why you support the KKK. Im gonna say this nicely go fuck yourself you arrogent little shit.
The level of racism/religionism in that statement amazes me. You truly believe all mulisms preach hate and voilence, and want to murder? What I'm saying is the book they follow actually encourages violence, that said very few actually commit these atrocities. Sound like the kkk?
"Jihad means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is considered the "Sixth Pillar of Islam" by a minority of Sunni Muslim authorities."

"Most Muslims today interpret Jihad as only a defensive form of warfare: the external Jihad includes a struggle to make the Islamic societies conform to the Islamic norms of justice."

These facts aside your comparison between the KKK and Muslims/Islamic disgusts me really. Muslims live by the Five Pillars which are set in place to teach someone humility, understanding and respect. The KKK's founding purpose is to drive out any non-white non-Catholics out of the United States.

Nowhere in the Five Pillars do you see violence being promoted.
I'd always wondered how a mulism extremist groups and anti-mulism groups/individuals managed to link a peaceful religion with rules about giving women equal rights and the strong need to knowledge and wisdom to terrorism. Now I know - thanks for the information! At least know I can call "Lies" when I see people trying it on.
Abedeus said:
You are a beacon of light in the darkness of ignorance.
Indeed he is.
 

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Abedeus said:
SuperFriendBFG said:
bad rider said:
I can see why you support the KKK. Im gonna say this nicely go fuck yourself you arrogent little shit.
The level of racism/religionism in that statement amazes me. You truly believe all mulisms preach hate and voilence, and want to murder? What I'm saying is the book they follow actually encourages violence, that said very few actually commit these atrocities. Sound like the kkk?
"Jihad means "to strive or struggle" (in the way of God) and is considered the "Sixth Pillar of Islam" by a minority of Sunni Muslim authorities."

"Most Muslims today interpret Jihad as only a defensive form of warfare: the external Jihad includes a struggle to make the Islamic societies conform to the Islamic norms of justice."

These facts aside your comparison between the KKK and Muslims/Islamic disgusts me really. Muslims live by the Five Pillars which are set in place to teach someone humility, understanding and respect. The KKK's founding purpose is to drive out any non-white non-Catholics out of the United States.

Nowhere in the Five Pillars do you see violence being promoted.
You are a beacon of light in the darkness of ignorance.

Doug said:
Abedeus said:
bad rider said:
Doug said:
bad rider said:
Booze Zombie said:
He joined a criminal organization whilst serving as a police officer and was surprised by his dismissal, why?
Is it a criminal organisation?

Edit: Looking at their website front page

Membership Requirements

1. You must be be a free white male or female of European descent, at least 18 years of age.

2. You must be able to profess faith in Jesus Christ as personal Savior

3. You must not be married to or date people of other races, nor have mixed race dependants, this includes adopted children.

4. You must agree to conform to the rules of this order, and be willing to swear you will NOT conspire to commit any crime while a member.

5. You must not join us with mercenary intent, or under secret evasion of any sort.

6. Under NO circumstances will we accept for membership: homosexuals, atheists, or those who have been found mentally insane. We will not accept candidates that have been convicted of treason, or espionage against the United States of America.

7. You must be a U.S. citizen, with a U.S. address. We do not accept foreign nationals, or have foreign members.

Source: http://www.kukluxklan.bz/faq.html
The KKK are the people who burnt blacks on crosses, murdered blacks, etc. Hence, criminal.
bad rider said:
Abedeus said:
Every KKK member deserves to be shot in the balls. Or breasts.

Also, FORMER member. We seem to think once your in you can't change who you are if you leave?
It's more like - why would a clan allow someone leave it and explose it's secrets?

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ace_of_something said:
I?m not sure how I feel about this; On the one hand yes anyone with a badge should not be connected to any sort of violence group. As stated?
[...]
People holding authority and public power should not be part of any other group that seeks to subvert the government. Yes
While I don't agree with the Klan's point of view, I don't like the idea of loosing my job over which group I joined.
And as far as I understand the first quote, he registered on a messageboard to post there. I hardly think that equals "joining the group" (while I have no idea of the internal workings of the Klan, I doubt they have members passes and such stuff)
Another point is, who decides which groups are dangerous and which are not? In my opinion Scientology, Nazis and zionist groups are dangerous, yet they are, same as the Klan afaik, allowed in the US.

If you think a group is dangerous, disbanden it and persecute their members. Don't go around and fire someone for joining a legal group.
The chief of police has every right to fire you for belonging to a hate-filled group trying to hurt or kill innocent people. In fact, every boss has that right.
So Islamic people shouldn't be allowed in the police force?
The level of racism/religionism in that statement amazes me. You truly believe all mulisms preach hate and voilence, and want to murder? I can see why you support the KKK.
I can see why you support the KKK. Im gonna say this nicely, go fuck yourself you arrogent little shit.
The level of racism/religionism in that statement amazes me. You truly believe all mulisms preach hate and voilence, and want to murder? What I'm saying is the book they follow actually encourages violence, that said very few actually commit these atrocities. Sound like the kkk?

Edit The KKK are the people who burnt blacks on crosses, murdered blacks, etc. Hence, criminal. So i'll start a fire you go get some christians, those damn murdering crusaders.
Are you comparing something that has happened 914-553 years ago in the Dark Ages, where rapes, pillaging and wars were normal (and wasn't repeated since 1456) to something that has been constantly going on since mere (not full) 150 years?
Actually, the last murder officially connected to the KKK was 1963 according to wikipedia:
The 1966 firebombing death of NAACP leader Vernon Dahmer Sr., 58, in Mississippi. In 1998 former Ku Klux Klan wizard Sam Bowers was convicted of his murder and sentenced to life. Two other Klan members were indicted with Bowers, but one died before trial, and the other's indictment was dismissed.

So, 42 years.
KKK still exists? Yes. They still hate minorities? Yes. They are still intolerant racists that deserve to fry in jails? Hell yes.
Yup - according to Wiki they had an estimated 6,000 members last year, and are moving to ally with Neo-Nazi's.

Year Membership
1920 4,000,000
1924 6,000,000
1930 30,000
1980 5,000
2008 6,000

EDIT:

Oh, turns out one branch of the KKK was found guilt of beating a Hispanic guy in 2006:
"On November 14, 2008, an all-white jury of seven men and seven women awarded $1.5 million in compensatory damages and $1 million in punitive damages to plaintiff Jordan Gruver, represented by the Southern Poverty Law Center against the Imperial Klans of America.[96] The ruling found that five IKA members had savagely beaten Gruver, then 16 years old, at a Kentucky county fair in July 2006.[97]"
 

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bad rider said:
fix-the-spade said:
The KKK is an extremist Christian group, pretty much their sole purpose is the preaching (and execution) of violence and hate against anyone who is not a White Christian Protestant.
Sorry I don't know that much about the kkk, but to be honest as long as they aren't going to kill/harm non white christian protestants we shouldn't have the right to openly discriminate against them as is clearly the case here.
So the Nazi party is ok now because they've stopped killing Jews?

Pretty much all the KKK does is hurt people, either through direct (take 'em out and shoot 'em) or indirect (smear campaign, intimidation etc) means.

I can see where you're coming from, just because people say something you don't like doesn't mean they have to be silenced. But in the case of the KKK they went beyond just speaking a long time ago, as such they've voided their right to be either listened to or tolerated.
 

bad rider

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Doug said:
Well, given I'm 24 and your 17, I'm going to have to dispute the "little" comment, unless your a hulking 6ft+ teenager.
Look I'm just a little pissed off that you are guessing that i support the KKK, I don't, what I support is that individuals should be allowed to discuss their views whether or not I fundamently agree with them is not the case. Also Thankyou for making personal comments and taking the time to read my profile.
Doug said:
As for the book "encouraging violence", I don't believe that thats apart of the book. If you mean indirectly, it is used as a tool by extremists to try and justify their mad and evil beliefs, fair enough. However, you are making out that every single mulism is just waiting for a good opertunity to butch us non-mulisms. True, some groups claim to be Islamic and then do very non-Islamic things (like sucuide bombings of innocents), but that is not at the core of 95%+ of all the mulisms on earth.
I am aware of this note why i said "that said very few actually commit these atrocities. " However i am sorry if i gave off this impression, not all muslims are going to jumpp through your window and try and eat you.
Doug said:
With the KKK, history, their own writings, and the very core of their believes (that white protestant people are superior to all others and should murder or deport them), has shown that this organization is criminal in intend and action.
Ok we'll use christians for history with the crusades, we will take jewish people for superiority "The chosen people" (For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth (Deut. 14:2))
And for the kicker we'll take islam for violence aginst others "Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." - Sura 9:5

"Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them." - Sura 9:73

"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... Prophet, (Muhammed) rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them." - Sura 8:59

"If they reject your judgement, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins." - Sura 5:49

"Believers (Muslims), take neither Jews nor Christians to be your friends: they are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number, and God does not guide (those Jewish and Christian) wrong-doers." - Sura 5:51
Doug said:
To quote wikipedia:
"The first Klan was founded in 1865 by veterans of the Confederate Army. Its purpose was to restore white supremacy in the aftermath of the American Civil War. The Klan resisted Reconstruction by intimidating freedmen and white Republicans, members of the abolitionist movement."
Can't really argue with that one.
Doug said:
Add to that the various murders, rapes and so forth and this is a 'social club' with alot of activities!
Yeah god knows any other groups that have raped murdered or so forth wait I just found some religous and historical text books back here. WOW, Is that every single religion and several groups e.g russian revoloutionaries all doing the same thing that can't be possible, oh wait it is.

Now I don't like the KKK, my point is as follows if one group can be crazy and not be discriminated against why can't this be a general rule to all the groups.

To repeat my earlier point The only way to fight those who believe in inequality is with equality not with more inequality.

Now can we pretty please wrap this up because this is very taxing.
 

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Abedeus said:
Doug said:
Abedeus said:
bad rider said:
Doug said:
bad rider said:
Booze Zombie said:
He joined a criminal organization whilst serving as a police officer and was surprised by his dismissal, why?
Is it a criminal organisation?

Edit: Looking at their website front page

Membership Requirements

1. You must be be a free white male or female of European descent, at least 18 years of age.

2. You must be able to profess faith in Jesus Christ as personal Savior

3. You must not be married to or date people of other races, nor have mixed race dependants, this includes adopted children.

4. You must agree to conform to the rules of this order, and be willing to swear you will NOT conspire to commit any crime while a member.

5. You must not join us with mercenary intent, or under secret evasion of any sort.

6. Under NO circumstances will we accept for membership: homosexuals, atheists, or those who have been found mentally insane. We will not accept candidates that have been convicted of treason, or espionage against the United States of America.

7. You must be a U.S. citizen, with a U.S. address. We do not accept foreign nationals, or have foreign members.

Source: http://www.kukluxklan.bz/faq.html
The KKK are the people who burnt blacks on crosses, murdered blacks, etc. Hence, criminal.
bad rider said:
Abedeus said:
Every KKK member deserves to be shot in the balls. Or breasts.

Also, FORMER member. We seem to think once your in you can't change who you are if you leave?
It's more like - why would a clan allow someone leave it and explose it's secrets?

Specter_ said:
ace_of_something said:
I?m not sure how I feel about this; On the one hand yes anyone with a badge should not be connected to any sort of violence group. As stated?
[...]
People holding authority and public power should not be part of any other group that seeks to subvert the government. Yes
While I don't agree with the Klan's point of view, I don't like the idea of loosing my job over which group I joined.
And as far as I understand the first quote, he registered on a messageboard to post there. I hardly think that equals "joining the group" (while I have no idea of the internal workings of the Klan, I doubt they have members passes and such stuff)
Another point is, who decides which groups are dangerous and which are not? In my opinion Scientology, Nazis and zionist groups are dangerous, yet they are, same as the Klan afaik, allowed in the US.

If you think a group is dangerous, disbanden it and persecute their members. Don't go around and fire someone for joining a legal group.
The chief of police has every right to fire you for belonging to a hate-filled group trying to hurt or kill innocent people. In fact, every boss has that right.
So Islamic people shouldn't be allowed in the police force?
The level of racism/religionism in that statement amazes me. You truly believe all mulisms preach hate and voilence, and want to murder? I can see why you support the KKK.
I can see why you support the KKK. Im gonna say this nicely, go fuck yourself you arrogent little shit.
The level of racism/religionism in that statement amazes me. You truly believe all mulisms preach hate and voilence, and want to murder? What I'm saying is the book they follow actually encourages violence, that said very few actually commit these atrocities. Sound like the kkk?

Edit The KKK are the people who burnt blacks on crosses, murdered blacks, etc. Hence, criminal. So i'll start a fire you go get some christians, those damn murdering crusaders.
Are you comparing something that has happened 914-553 years ago in the Dark Ages, where rapes, pillaging and wars were normal (and wasn't repeated since 1456) to something that has been constantly going on since mere (not full) 150 years?
Actually, the last murder officially connected to the KKK was 1963 according to wikipedia:
The 1966 firebombing death of NAACP leader Vernon Dahmer Sr., 58, in Mississippi. In 1998 former Ku Klux Klan wizard Sam Bowers was convicted of his murder and sentenced to life. Two other Klan members were indicted with Bowers, but one died before trial, and the other's indictment was dismissed.

So, 42 years.
KKK still exists? Yes. They still hate minorities? Yes. They are still intolerant racists that deserve to fry in jails? Hell yes.
Ah, my bad - I misread your post - I thought you meant they hadn't been active for about 150 years.
 

bad rider

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fix-the-spade said:
bad rider said:
fix-the-spade said:
The KKK is an extremist Christian group, pretty much their sole purpose is the preaching (and execution) of violence and hate against anyone who is not a White Christian Protestant.
Sorry I don't know that much about the kkk, but to be honest as long as they aren't going to kill/harm non white christian protestants we shouldn't have the right to openly discriminate against them as is clearly the case here.
So the Nazi party is ok now because they've stopped killing Jews?

Pretty much all the KKK does is hurt people, either through direct (take 'em out and shoot 'em) or indirect (smear campaign, intimidation etc) means.

I can see where you're coming from, just because people say something you don't like doesn't mean they have to be silenced. But in the case of the KKK they went beyond just speaking a long time ago, as such they've voided their right to be either listened to or tolerated.
There I can see our fundamental disagreement, no-one should ever be voided of their right to be listened to or tolerated, It's a slippery path in which more and more groups begin to be selected as not worthy to be tolerated/ listened to then we fall back into nazism. Or at least thats my opinion.
 

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Okay people I give up I have been quoted out of my mind here, I give up, you win, lets start picking out minoritys and begin the social cleansing. Hal-le-lu-ja!
 

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The Klan is officially classed as a terrorist organisation. Can you see the problem with law enforcement officers joining terrorist organisations?

I can.
 

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Abedeus said:
Specter_ said:
ace_of_something said:
I?m not sure how I feel about this; On the one hand yes anyone with a badge should not be connected to any sort of violence group. As stated?
[...]
People holding authority and public power should not be part of any other group that seeks to subvert the government. Yes
While I don't agree with the Klan's point of view, I don't like the idea of loosing my job over which group I joined.
And as far as I understand the first quote, he registered on a messageboard to post there. I hardly think that equals "joining the group" (while I have no idea of the internal workings of the Klan, I doubt they have members passes and such stuff)
Another point is, who decides which groups are dangerous and which are not? In my opinion Scientology, Nazis and zionist groups are dangerous, yet they are, same as the Klan afaik, allowed in the US.

If you think a group is dangerous, disbanden it and persecute their members. Don't go around and fire someone for joining a legal group.
The chief of police has every right to fire you for belonging to a hate-filled group trying to hurt or kill innocent people. In fact, every boss has that right.
Yes, but every group can be "hate-filled". Even Unions are "hate-filled" cause they want more money. My point is that either you shouldn't allow any participation in any group or don't bother at all.
 

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Yes, but every group can be "hate-filled". Even Unions are "hate-filled" cause they want more money...
*rolling on the floor laughing*

Alrighty then... equating a hate group that has known to commit various atrocities based solely on the concept of racial, national and religious "purity"to trade unions, who fight for workers rights (like the 8 hour work week [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day], a fair wage and due compensation )..truly this tells that irony is dead in the United States.

I dont know what you do for a living, but I got news for you: Whatever compensation you are due as a worker was not something that was given to you from the generous heart of your boss; it was something that people in the US and across the world bleed and died for.

George Orwell must be rolling in his grave.
 

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bad rider said:
Okay people I give up I have been quoted out of my mind here, I give up, you win, lets start picking out minoritys and begin the social cleansing. Hal-le-lu-ja!
Why do you insist on social cleansing all the time? The discussion is about if a police officer can join a racist and frequently criminal group. I'd except him to get sacked if he joined a group that avoicated that homosexuals where evil, or if he where black and joined a white power group. If he converted to an extremist Islam group linked to terrorism (or just preaching hate), or a Christian pro-life "lets murder abortion doctors" group, I'd expect him to get fired.

He's a public servant, someone who has to be impartial, someone who has to be seen to be non-racist/classist/religionist and non-voilent when unnecessary in his duties. Joining a group that is clearly and openly racist because one Hispanic guy angered him does suggest he can't be that.

If you really want social cleansing, Germany is probably the best place for you to visit. Being a Nazi is illegal over there. Or a Scientologist (its classified as a dangerous cult over there).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7133867.stm
 

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bad rider said:
Okay people I give up I have been quoted out of my mind here, I give up, you win, lets start picking out minoritys and begin the social cleansing. Hal-le-lu-ja!
The Qu'Ran was never really changed since its original writing. For example I believe the Bible had some parts removed or changed to change the duty of Christians from spreading their religion to non-believers to accepting other religions not necessarily as fact but acknowledging that not everyone will believe what you do.

The fact that the Qu'Ran has remained largely unchanged to me is something pretty special. Yes it still contains the old messages of intolerance but most Muslim followers really don't view the Qu'Ran the same way Christians view the Bible. the Qu'Ran is more a historical reference in Muslim religion. The basis of the Muslim religion is really the Five Pillars.

"The shahadah, which is the basic creed or tenet of Islam: "'a?hadu 'al-lā ilāha illā-llāhu wa 'a?hadu 'anna muħammadan rasūlu-llāh", or "I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God." This testament is a foundation for all other beliefs and practices in Islam. Muslims must repeat the shahadah in prayer, and non-Muslims wishing to convert to Islam are required to recite the creed"

The oneness of God (tawheed) is to believe in Allah as one God with unmatched power and attributes, and admit to these unmatched powers of Allah by submitting to commands of Allah unconditionally. Tawheed teaches humbleness, human nature, humility, philanthropy, piousness, righteousness and doing the right thing and abstaining from all evil and sinful activities.

"Salah, or ritual prayer, which must be performed five times a day. Each salah is done facing towards the Kaaba in Mecca. Salah is intended to focus the mind on God, and is seen as a personal communication with him that expresses gratitude and worship. Salah is compulsory but flexibility in the specifics is allowed depending on circumstances. In many Muslim countries, reminders called Adhan (call to prayer) are broadcast publicly from local mosques at the appropriate times. The prayers are recited in the Arabic language, and consist of verses from the Qur'an."

Daily prayers (Salah) are five prayers evenly distributed throughout the day. Allah said in Quran that prayer protect from sins and unlawful activities: ?? and perform As-Salat (وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ). Verily, As-Salat (the prayer) prevents from Al-Fahsha (الْفَحْشَاء - i.e. great sins of every kind, unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.) and Al-Munkar (الْمُنكَرِ - i.e. disbelief, polytheism, and every kind of evil wicked deed, etc.) ...?

"Zakat, or alms-giving. This is the practice of giving based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all Muslims who can afford it. A fixed portion is spent to help the poor or needy, and also to assist the spread of Islam. The zakat is considered a religious obligation (as opposed to voluntary charity) that the well-off owe to the needy because their wealth is seen as a "trust from God's bounty". The Qur'an and the hadith also suggest a Muslim give even more as an act of voluntary alms-giving"

Charity (Zakat) is due on all Muslim (based on financial ability). Zakat not only serves the purpose of welfare of citizens, but it also establishes relationship of kindness and love amongst various classes of the society. It reduces the love of material wealth in heart and increases the sense of helping other people in need.

"Sawm, or fasting during the month of Ramadan. Muslims must not eat or drink (among other things) from dawn to dusk during this month, and must be mindful of other sins. The fast is to encourage a feeling of nearness to God, and during it Muslims should express their gratitude for and dependence on him, atone for their past sins, and think of the needy. Sawm is not obligatory for several groups for whom it would constitute an undue burden. For others, flexibility is allowed depending on circumstances, but missed fasts usually must be made up quickly. Some Muslim groups do not fast during Ramadan, and instead have fasts different times of the year."

Sawm (fasting) is compulsory for Muslim in month of Ramadan. Fasting brings piousness and tawqa to Muslims. It not only teaches self control and abstinence from worldly desires but it also teaches the pain of others (who do not get enough food to eat).

"The Hajj, which is the pilgrimage during the Islamic month of Dhu al-Hijjah in the city of Mecca. Every able-bodied Muslim who can afford it must make the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in his or her lifetime. When the pilgrim is about ten kilometers from Mecca, he must dress in Ihram clothing, which consists of two white seamless sheets. Rituals of the Hajj include walking seven times around the Kaaba, touching the Black Stone, running seven times between Mount Safa and Mount Marwah, and symbolically stoning the Devil in Mina. The pilgrim, or the hajji, is honored in his or her community, although Islamic teachers say that the Hajj should be an expression of devotion to God instead of a means to gain social standing."

The pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj) is a ritually obligatory on Muslims who can afford it (financially and physically). The hajj teaches attributes of self control, high morals, humility, modesty, brotherhood, kindness and caring.

The Five Pillars are pretty much the most important teachings of the Qu'Ran. In the strictest form of Muslim terrorists are outlaws because they are breaching one or more of the Five Pillars. The Muslim terrorists essentially believe historical reference should be taken literally.
 

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ace_of_something said:
This is the link
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10574680
And another; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29431231/

The abridged version is this. A state trooper, that?s a law enforcement officer who usually just deals with traffic laws, highways, and things of that ilk, joined the Klu Klux Klan. For this activity the 18 Year Veteran was fired.

For those who don?t know, as I?m not sure how well the KKK is known outside the USA. The Klan is a white supremacy group that advocates the removal of all non White Protestant Christians from the United States. They have a long (over 130 years) legacy of violence particularly against blacks. (But they hate Jews, Catholics, Hispanics, pretty much everyone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

The cause of him joining the KKK?
[blockquote] An internal investigation found that he joined the party in 2004 and posted four messages to an online discussion group for party members. Henderson said he joined as a way to vent his frustrations over his wife leaving him for a Hispanic man. He resigned his membership in 2006.[/blockquote]
This is also the extent of his activities 2 years with 4 internet posts; nothing very major.

I?m not sure how I feel about this; On the one hand yes anyone with a badge should not be connected to any sort of violence group. As stated?

[blockquote] "We hold that Nebraska public policy precludes an individual from being reinstated to serve as a sworn officer in a law enforcement agency if that individual's service would severely undermine reasonable public perception that the agency is uniformly committed to the equal enforcement of the law and that each citizen of Nebraska can depend on law enforcement officers to enforce the law without regard to race," the majority opinion said.[/blockquote]
People holding authority and public power should not be part of any other group that seeks to subvert the government. Yes


But at the same time; the first amendment is tantamount and as a nation part of our most sacred document the bill of rights. Freedom of speech. There is no indication that he acted on these thoughts and this time and while on duty did anything less than be a professional.

[blockquote]"In my view, this apparent subordination of individual constitutional rights to the 'greater good' poses a far greater risk of harm to the public policy of this state than reinstating one misguided trooper and reassigning him to some mundane position well behind the front lines of law enforcement," (Dissenting Judge Kenneth) Stephan wrote.[/blockquote]

Speech must be protected even unpopular speech. Yes.

So fellow escapists, thoughts? Keep in mind all he did was join and make internet posts and allegedly (which is in different articles) go to one rally in another state. He engaged in no criminal activity in his time in the Klan.

edit: Is this not a 'slippery slope'? Every supreme court case sets precedent. If we say one form of speech is not allowed what will be next?
I'm not saying you can condone what he's saying; but his right to say it.

EDIT RIGHT UP IN HERE: ON the TV they pointed out that he was eligible for retirement. Would forced retirement be a viable punishment (rather then taking his pension)
I'm SUPER CONFUSED !!!
 

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The Qu'Ran was never really changed since its original writing. For example I believe the Bible had some parts removed or changed to change the duty of Christians from spreading their religion to non-believers to accepting other religions not necessarily as fact but acknowledging that not everyone will believe what you do...
A good post, but where is the concept of Ijtihad and The greater and Lesser Jihad? Not to mention the Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, which is more relevant to the discussion at hand.
 

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Doug said:
bad rider said:
Okay people I give up I have been quoted out of my mind here, I give up, you win, lets start picking out minoritys and begin the social cleansing. Hal-le-lu-ja!
Why do you insist on social cleansing all the time? The discussion is about if a police officer can join a racist and frequently criminal group. I'd except him to get sacked if he joined a group that avoicated that homosexuals where evil, or if he where black and joined a white power group. If he converted to an extremist Islam group linked to terrorism (or just preaching hate), or a Christian pro-life "lets murder abortion doctors" group, I'd expect him to get fired.

He's a public servant, someone who has to be impartial, someone who has to be seen to be non-racist/classist/religionist and non-voilent when unnecessary in his duties. Joining a group that is clearly and openly racist because one Hispanic guy angered him does suggest he can't be that.

If you really want social cleansing, Germany is probably the best place for you to visit. Being a Nazi is illegal over there. Or a Scientologist (its classified as a dangerous cult over there).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7133867.stm
All I'm saying is that it starts with a few incidents then escalates.
 

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Kalezian said:
captain awesome 12 said:
If that man ever arrested a non-caucasian, no matter what the crime, he would always be discredited in a court case because of his involvement with the KKK. It's also a big fat target for a lawsuit, and he could never be fully trusted. So it's not surprising to me that he'd be fired, especially from the police of all things.
how is that different than any other time a Caucasian arrests a African-American, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, ect? infact i remember something that had happened in California [sometime in the past 8 years, i know for sure] where an elderly man was home alone and three to four african-american youths broke into his house, he shot and killed two i think but everyone claimed he was a racist after-the-fact, they completely forgot that he was being robbed and was defending himself. Why? because he was white....
It's different because he actually was involved with a white supremacy group. While the "elderly man" was called racist, but he had no past history (I'm guessing?), and thus, those arguments couldn't hold up in a court of law.
 

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Yes, but every group can be "hate-filled". Even Unions are "hate-filled" cause they want more money...
*rolling on the floor laughing*

Alrighty then... equating a hate group that has known to commit various atrocities based solely on the concept of racial, national and religious "purity"to trade unions, who fight for workers rights (like the 8 hour work week [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day], a fair wage and due compensation )..truly this tells that irony is dead in the United States.

I dont know what you do for a living, but I got news for you: Whatever compensation you are due as a worker was not something that was given to you from the generous heart of your boss; it was something that people in the US and across the world bleed and died for.

George Orwell must be rolling in his grave.
First of all, the people in the US did nothing for me. My minimum wages are a lot higher than those in the US.
Second, I am not in a union. My bosses bosses keep the companies so small that we can't put union-like pressure on them. On the other hand that opens the posibility that if you do good work you can easily impress the bosses, thus getting more money.
Third, I chose the comparison between the Klan and unions exactly because they have nothing in common. I tried to show that every single organisation can be labeled "hate-filled" as much as everything can be labeled with "hate". If I beat someone up, it's "hate". If I hook up with someones girlfriend, it's "hate", because I might do it to piss him off.

As I said before: either allow your workers to participate in any group they want or prevent them from participating in any at all.
Because "hate-filled" and "dangerous" is always a point of view.
 

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First of all, the people in the US did nothing for me. My minimum wages are a lot higher than those in the US.
Thats why I said "US and across the world" Minimum wages were a consequence of Labour movements trying to establish some degree of justice in their working conditions.

Second, I am not in a union. My bosses bosses keep the companies so small that we can't put union-like pressure on them. On the other hand that opens the posibility that if you do good work you can easily impress the bosses, thus getting more money.
Your not being n a union is irrelevant in so far as your work conditions are concerned, your working conditions are a direct consequence of organized labour.

Third, I chose the comparison between the Klan and unions exactly because they have nothing in common. I tried to show that every single organisation can be labeled "hate-filled" as much as everything can be labeled with "hate". If I beat someone up, it's "hate". If I hook up with someones girlfriend, it's "hate", because I might do it to piss him off.
umm, there is a clear distinction between a movement that endorses and executes acts of violence against people(s) on the basis of some arbitrary criteria (race, religion etc) and a workers union that resists governmental and corporate power through mass action. Unions by and large are given to working within the framework of the law, and while there are extremist elements within labour, they do not speak for the majority, no more than al-qaeda speaks for Muslims. Your statement about any organization being ipso facto "hate-filled" flies in the face of common sense. By this logic Christ was "hate-filled" in his opposition to greed and intolerance, ditto Gandhi, Martin Luther King and a host of others.

Furthermore there is a DISTINCTIVE and clear difference between beating someone up and going out with that person's GF. One is against the law, the other isnt. And please dont make some argument about "intent to commit harm" via mental distress because A to get back at B seduces B's Girlfriend. One would think a bullet to the kneecap or a hangman's noose is far more painful and terminal in its application than faithlessness. Try it sometime.

As I said before: either allow your workers to participate in any group they want or prevent them from participating in any at all.
Because "hate-filled" and "dangerous" is always a point of view.
By this logic, anything from the Nazis to Khmer Rouge to Al-qaeda can be considered to be a lovable huggy bunny bunch because if "hate-filled" and "dangerous" is point of view, so is the flip side. whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I suppose then, by this logic the Nazis sending millions to their death was something they did out of "love"

As I said before Orwell must be turning in his grave.
 

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Raven_Letters said:
Specter_ said:
First of all, the people in the US did nothing for me. My minimum wages are a lot higher than those in the US.
Thats why I said "US and across the world" Minimum wages were a consequence of Labour movements trying to establish some degree of justice in their working conditions.
True. But then I'm not on minimum wage. I negotiated my wage myself based on my performance.

Second, I am not in a union. My bosses bosses keep the companies so small that we can't put union-like pressure on them. On the other hand that opens the posibility that if you do good work you can easily impress the bosses, thus getting more money.
Your not being n a union is irrelevant in so far as your work conditions are concerned, your working conditions are a direct consequence of organized labour.
My working conditions suck. If anybody fought for THIS I'm gonna kill his ass. But the pay is good, so I carry on.

Third, I chose the comparison between the Klan and unions exactly because they have nothing in common. I tried to show that every single organisation can be labeled "hate-filled" as much as everything can be labeled with "hate". If I beat someone up, it's "hate". If I hook up with someones girlfriend, it's "hate", because I might do it to piss him off.
umm, there is a clear distinction between a movement that endorses and executes acts of violence against people(s) on the basis of some arbitrary criteria (race, religion etc) and a workers union that resists governmental and corporate power through mass action. Unions by and large are given to working within the framework of the law, and while there are extremist elements within labour, they do not speak for the majority, no more than al-qaeda speaks for Muslims. Your statement about any organization being ipso facto "hate-filled" flies in the face of common sense. By this logic Christ was "hate-filled" in his opposition to greed and intolerance, ditto Gandhi, Martin Luther King and a host of others.

Furthermore there is a DISTINCTIVE and clear difference between beating someone up and going out with that person's GF. One is against the law, the other isnt. And please dont make some argument about "intent to commit harm" via mental distress because A to get back at B seduces B's Girlfriend. One would think a bullet to the kneecap or a hangman's noose is far more painful and terminal in its application than faithlessness. Try it sometime.
And there is a difference between participating in these activities and posting on a messageboard to vent some anger.

As I said before: either allow your workers to participate in any group they want or prevent them from participating in any at all.
Because "hate-filled" and "dangerous" is always a point of view.
By this logic, anything from the Nazis to Khmer Rouge to Al-qaeda can be considered to be a lovable huggy bunny bunch because if "hate-filled" and "dangerous" is point of view, so is the flip side. whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I suppose then, by this logic the Nazis sending millions to their death was something they did out of "love"

As I said before Orwell must be turning in his grave.
Yes. According to the nazi point of view the jews, homosexuals and gypsy were rodents. So they did it for the love of a pure race.
Al-Qaeda is a bunch of idiots, so I swap them for Taliban and Iraqi insurgents, if you don't mind. They, too, do their fighting and bombing for "love". The love of their country being free of invaders and foreign oppression. Another comparison: the french resistance during WW2 were deemed terrorists by the german occupants as much as the iraqi insurgents are deemed terrorists by the current occupants in the Iraq.