The Meaning of Life: with Logic!

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Vern5

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Okay, Escapists. I was doing my usual routine at work, which meant that my brain was pleasantly empty. Within this emptiness, a thought occurred to me and I decided to rework that thought into a challenge.

I want someone to prove to me that life has a purpose, a higher meaning, using only logical reasoning. You are not allowed to use any emotional or moral appeals or evidence. Use only logical reasons to prove that there is a point to living.

Before anyone panics, no, this isn't a cry for help. My idea is that life has no meaning in terms of logic and that the best, if not only, things worth living for are completely illogical by nature.

So let's hear some logic!

Also, as you read the impending replies, take a drink if Spock comes to mind.
 

ZephrC

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That's an inherently flawed request. Logic doesn't provide meaning for anything. Well, for the definition of 'meaning' that you seem to be using anyway. That's just not what logic is for.
 

alrekr

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You live in order to reproduce and you reproduce in order to pass on your genes; thus improving the speicies chances of survival.

This can be extended in a capitalist economy to: acquire currency, results in power, which leads to aquiring sexual intercourse.
 

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Vern5 said:
You are not allowed to use any emotional or moral appeals or evidence.
To bad a large, LARGE portion of our being in based on what you say you wont allow.

With only logic, the only reason to exist is to propagate the species, for the sole purpose of propagating the species. Everything else, our technology, our engineering, everything, is nothing more then attempts to improve our chances to drive our genetics into the future.

Some would, of course, argue that even with emotion and morality, that's our only purpose anyway. I suppose its a matter of opinion.
 

Oliman43

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Sex=Life, right, so Life=Quest for Sex.

Although that might just be circular logic at its peak.
 

knight steel

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alrekr said:
You live in order to reproduce and you reproduce in order to pass on your genes; thus improving the speicies chances of survival.
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seriously if you just want logic this is really the only good answer your going to get, The meaning of life is to reproduce and further the species in-till we eventually reach as far as we can go in which case the meaning of life we be to preserve this state.
 

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Vern5 said:
I want someone to prove to me that life has a purpose, a higher meaning, using only logical reasoning. You are not allowed to use any emotional or moral appeals or evidence. Use only logical reasons to prove that there is a point to living.
One assumption that I'm throwing out the window, there is not ONE meaning to life much as there is not a ONE need for a lifeform (Maslow and all that).
Emotional and moral satisfaction (knowing you are doing the right thing and feeling that things are right in the world) necessitates any decent QUALITY of life which must be associated with its meaning. To consider that we can fulfill our meaning without quality would mean refusing to separate "subjects" (conscious beings) and "objects" (non-conscious beings) which is a grave mistake. The meaning of life for a human must be different qualitatively than the meaning of life for a spork.

So taking these three basic premises goes like this (egotism): Humans are conscious beings. As conscious beings we have various needs that require fulfillment biologically and existentially. That means that the fulfillment of our needs IS our meaning, which includes the Prime Directive of reproduction but also includes self-actualization (which includes the emotional and moral aspects of a subject's reality). To use backwards logic, why would we have needs that do not require fulfillment (consider that this only works when not talking about self-destructive needs, which necessarily require some needs to be ignored due to self-destruction. A serial killer may NEED to kill, but that killing removes their ability to fulfill self-actualization and mental/emotional wellness)

Another possibility goes likewise (existentialist): Humans are conscious beings. Conscious beings, by definition, are existentially different from objects for creating meaning in the world. As such, if an object's meaning is to due its duty (a knife cuts), so a subject's meaning is to do what itself is made for (creating meaning). As such, the meaning of life is to create meaning for things and actions.

Another possibility (altruism): Humans are social beings. All of our actions are not about personal reproduction/need fulfillment but the success of the group as a whole (this includes morality and emotional responses, as what use are they otherwise and why would we have them otherwise?). As such, the meaning of a human life is to help the human species survive both through personal need fulfillment (as explained before) but more importantly in the need fulfillment of others.

So those are my attempts, I'm sure you can rip them a part but deciding a "why" with logic is difficult and philosophy is meant to be dissected.
 

aba1

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To me the point of life is just to be happy. If you are not happy with your life then what is the point in continuing unless you plan to change that so that you are happy.
 

GeorgW

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Death. If life has a meaning then it stands to reason that all life has the same, or similar reasons, and it would also be reasonable that this meaning would only be evident or be able to be fulfilled at the end of
ones life. Death fits perfectly to this hypothesis.
It is therefore my logical resolution, and had been for a while, that death is the meaning of life.

Yes, reproduction is the more scientific answer, but I wanted to try something different.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Vern5 said:
You are not allowed to use any emotional or moral appeals or evidence.
To bad a large, LARGE portion of our being in based on what you say you wont allow.

With only logic, the only reason to exist is to propagate the species, for the sole purpose of propagating the species. Everything else, our technology, our engineering, everything, is nothing more then attempts to improve our chances to drive our genetics into the future.

Some would, of course, argue that even with emotion and morality, that's our only purpose anyway. I suppose its a matter of opinion.
Just out of curiosity, since I suppose a lot of people will say this: How to you propose to logically prove that propagating the species is more meaningful than not propagating the species?

Where is the inherent logic in continuation for continuation's sake?
 

Saippua

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Primary function of all life is to produce more of it. I've always though that meaning of life must be creating more life. In ancient times humans lived just long enough for their children to reach maturity and produce the next generation. I dont think thats an accident considering human biology.
 

Grell Sutcliff

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there is no meaning to life because life is just a result of a random event and the things that make life worth living are just things that we like, in other words we are still alive because we want to live and reproduce/have sex.
 

bader0

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has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

this is the meaning of life.
 

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Vern5 said:
You are not allowed to use any emotional or moral appeals or evidence. Use only logical reasons to prove that there is a point to living.
Logically you can't exclude anything when trying to prove a meaning of life. Logically we need emotions if the point to living is emotions.
 

phantasmalWordsmith

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I generally consider the meaning of life as there isn't one. As for the purpose of life, I believe it's the pursuit of one's own happiness