The Military and YOU!!!

[101194]

I'm working for the Goverment, But not in a military branch, I'm the Lab-coat guy, Yeah...

 

[zombflux]

We call it the "Draft" over here in America, and we abolished that back after ol' WW2.

Not abolished, just not in use. When you turn 18 you have 60 days to register for the draft or they'll come getcha

I've considered joining the military, but hear there are no respawns? Might join a PMC.

 

[infested]

In USA, or at least in my case, they hound you to join over and over. No matter how many times I told them that I have autism, they kept coming back. Though they did leave without saying a word as soon as I said that. Actually they havent bothered me in over a year...

 

[Random Argument Man]

No experience. I don't want any.

 

[dalek sec]

I don't think the US armed forces would take a spazz like me into the service.

 

[wax88]

well other countries like isreal, singapore,taiwan and south korea also practice conscription. and they serve a time period of 2-3years. myself, i was conscripted in the armed forces of one of the listed countries, although i wont divulge which because it is an offense apparently to speak ill of the armed forces in my country. surposedly it "undermines the confidence of the public in the military". yes, they monitor the internet for such things so, for my own sake, i shall, in future references, use the term " my nation's armed forces"

 

[blaze96]

We call it the "Draft" over here in America, and we abolished that back after ol' WW2.

Not abolished, just not in use. When you turn 18 you have 60 days to register for the draft or they'll come getcha

I just signed up for selective service Tuesday I believe. I can now be drafted at any point in time. Last I checked it was 30 days after, but you could technically do it at any point between 30 days before your 18th birthday to your 26th birthday. Though that 60 day period before and after is the period for full compliance to the law. Only applies to males as well, equality my ass. (that last part was a joke so don't get on my back about it)

 

[foxyboy]

in the US we have a draft but activating it is basically political suicide

 

[zombflux]

We call it the "Draft" over here in America, and we abolished that back after ol' WW2.

Not abolished, just not in use. When you turn 18 you have 60 days to register for the draft or they'll come getcha

I just signed up for selective service Tuesday I believe. I can now be drafted at any point in time. Last I checked it was 30 days after, but you could technically do it at any point between 30 days before your 18th birthday to your 26th birthday. Though that 60 day period before and after is the period for full compliance to the law. Only applies to males as well, equality my ass. (that last part was a joke so don't get on my back about it)

Is no equality, ERA failed, remember?

All men must register upon reaching age 18 (or before age 26, if entering and taking up residence in the U.S. when already older than 18). Pretty sure it's 60, but I could be misinformed.

 

[vampirekid.13]

So yesterday i was in a sort of meeting with military personnel from my country where you get told about the military and get your sight, hearing, intelligence etc tested. This is due to the fact that in Norway when you become 18 you may be called into service for the military. Now this session i was at yesterday is basically just the start and if i get a letter from the military saying ill be called in ill be going to the army for about a year.

So while i was thinking of my own possible entrance into the army i started to wonder if other countries got a similar system setup or if its just us ex-vikings up here.

So please tell me where you are from and your experiences with tha army ^^.

america does not have a mandatory term that must be served sadly. altho i believe that all countries should have a mandatory 2 year military service when you hit 18yrs old for everyone.

 

[blaze96]

Is no equality, ERA failed, remember?

All men must register upon reaching age 18 (or before age 26, if entering and taking up residence in the U.S. when already older than 18). Pretty sure it's 60, but I could be misinformed.

It is 60 in total (30 days before 18th and 30 days after). I actually read that if you sign up after that though, there is no real penalty. From the Website that actually handles online registration:

Spoiler

The law requires virtually all male U.S. citizens (regardless of where they live), and male immigrants residing in the U.S. (permanent resident aliens), to register within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Therefore, to be in full compliance with the law, a man turning 18 is required to register during the period of time beginning 30 days before, until 30 days after his 18th birthday...a 60-day window.

Late registrations are accepted, but not once a man reaches age 26. Men who do not register within the 60-day window are technically in violation of the law and should register as soon as possible.

So yea breaking the law, but no real punishment if you apply before you turn 26.

 

[SamuraiAndPig]

america does not have a mandatory term that must be served sadly. altho i believe that all countries should have a mandatory 2 year military service when you hit 18yrs old for everyone.

That's kind of harsh - it's already bad enough that you can't go to college without signing up for selective service. Military service should voluntary, because otherwise you end up with most people not being able to serve for some reason or another, and all the talent ends up going out to shoot people. The way around it is to do what the US has been doing since enlistment droped and that is lower the standards. Raise the age bar, allow in convicted drug dealers and gang members, people with mental illness and incerease the use of enlistment plea bargining. It's going to ruin the military as a whole eventually.

 

[zombflux]

Is no equality, ERA failed, remember?

All men must register upon reaching age 18 (or before age 26, if entering and taking up residence in the U.S. when already older than 18). Pretty sure it's 60, but I could be misinformed.

It is 60 in total (30 days before 18th and 30 days after). I actually read that if you sign up after that though, there is no real penalty. From the Website that actually handles online registration:

Spoiler

The law requires virtually all male U.S. citizens (regardless of where they live), and male immigrants residing in the U.S. (permanent resident aliens), to register within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Therefore, to be in full compliance with the law, a man turning 18 is required to register during the period of time beginning 30 days before, until 30 days after his 18th birthday...a 60-day window.

Late registrations are accepted, but not once a man reaches age 26. Men who do not register within the 60-day window are technically in violation of the law and should register as soon as possible.

So yea breaking the law, but no real punishment if you apply before you turn 26.

Yeah I'm not sure how strictly it's enforced, might be like jay walking, might be like tax evasion. I was being sarcastic when I said they come to getcha, but they might

 

[Slick Samurai]

I believe most of our military (U.S.) consists of veterans and young adults. After all, most people don't quit their job at 35 and join the military.

 

[Klepa]

Finnish here too.

Was forced to pick between prison, civil service (13 months doing shit jobs with no money), or a 6 to 12 month stretch in the military.

So I served as a medic in Säkylä, for nine months. Kind of sucked, hard. Contracted hilarious diseases from less hilarious patients at the sickbay, met a lot of new people, shot a lot of different guns, read the geneva convention, and was told to ignore it. Shooting a 50 cal. anti-air machine gun was fun I guess. We didn't get to shoot any water buffalos, but that didn't stop me from yelling "Yeeah! GET SOME!" while shooting. The officer standing next to me, did.

 

[jasoncyrus]

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Tut tut, at least I was mostly civil and actually pointed out the flaws in your posts rather than go on a 12 year old rant multi cussing and throwing groundless slanders at someone who kicked your verbal ass.

It seems I shall have to pick you're ego apart with proper debate and analysis.

First of all, obviously you lack the ability to properly read and more importantly comprehend the content of posts since you havn't properly read or udnerstood any of my posts so far. Not surprising for someone with your apparent mental age.

I'm from the UK, thus I get free bashing rights of our retarded military, end of argument on that point.

Second: Oh yes they are doing *such* a good job in the middle east right now that our enemies are quivering in fear, oh wait no they are laughing at us and blowing us up road side bombs etc. We have bomb and mine resistant tanks and personell carriers, but instead of using them we use regular transports in a warzone that is infamous for roadside bombs etc. Absolute genius are military is! Get a clue, kthxbye.

Third: It's not a "stupid ass conspiracy theory" because there are *mountains* of evidence to support it. Try reading up on things firstly, both sides of it, instead of blindly following what the government tells you like a SHEEP. Here I thought only smart people that could debate added to threads these days, it seems a blind closed minded extremist slipped through the net. Let me guess, you think the swine flu vaccine has "cancer virus" in it after seeing that uninformed idiot rant about it on the net?

I didn't say I didn't condone it either. Just because you target civilians doesn't make you a terrorist. Otherwise the US military is guilty of being terrorists during vietnam etc whenever a village was wrongly napalmed etc.

And pointing out terrorism's official definition is pointless because since it is this "The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes."

That makes the entire world's governments terrorists, since they've all done that. Hell they do that everytime theres a big protest.

Nice try but all in all, epic fail.

1)No you didn't, and you in fact flamed me as an idiot and you're still flaming like you just got out of a gay bar.Falsehood.
2)Strawman, never said you didn't have that right, and you completely avoided the issue of "hurr duur we'll carpet bomb them all"
3)No there isn't, Alex Jones and Loose Change, do not good sources make. And the people who believe in the cancer virus probably overlap with people who believe 9/11 was an inside job.
4)Accidents happen.Intentional or known bombing of civilians is terrorism.Not to mention we shouldn't have been in Vietnam anyway.And if all governments do it, it would sure make this whole War on Terror a crock of shit wouldn't it? Essentially terrorism has become a meaningless word, but I just wanted to point out originally that what you said would technically be terrorism, since you would accept known civilian casualties, and make sure you wouldn't be a hypocrite.

Nice try but all in all, you're a troll.
Good work though.

You need to check your definition of troll, since trolls don't bother debating issues with proper points etc.

So we shall continue until you realise you are even more full of shit than the US government.

1) Gay joke, wow, just prove you're the troll here not me. Either that or you are a supporter of hate crimes against homosexuals since you are using the term in a derogatory way. GJ there, sport.

2) Clearly you don't understand the concept of "My country a'll say what i like". But since I seemed to miss your little carpet bombing issue I'll dive right in with a detailed explaination as follows:

PLEASE NOTE: This is an explaination in reguards to the current middle east situation and cannot be applied to other places or cultures like Korea etc

First of all as a culture a lot of the middle east is still stuck in the dark ages, stoning people, murdering wives for infidelity etc. Their refusal to evolve as a culture alone dictates their genocide through carpet bombing or similar. Why you ask? But such cultural defects such as stoning people and murdering your unfaithful wives are just plain out dated and stupid and shows how horrible your socity really is. Such cultural actions and beliefs should be stomped into the ground like we stomp upon Nazis.

Secondly, this is in responce to rooftopassasin: They arn't telling us any information ANYWAY, they are not co-operating and want us out. Plus when you catch them on video they still deny it was them doing it. THATS how stupid these people are. Even chavs/neds/whatever youc all them, admit it when you catch them on camera for crying out loud.

Thirdly, when they travel to other countries they have a nasty habit of ignoring that countries laws and demanding that idiotic things like sharia law be instated. Unlike developed and evolved nations such as the US, Australia and western europe etc, who respect the cultures of the countries they move to, these sub-par people refuse to do that and expect us to treat them like they are in their home country.

So yeah, until they willing bring themselves upto a modern level of civilised culture, I will continue to believe they are MORE than deserving of being bombed back into the freaking stone age, although with their current chauvanistic beliefs that would probably be an improvement.

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3) My sources consist of experts on demolition, experts in chemitry and simple knowledge that its literally impossible for planes to vaporise and jet fuel to burn hot enough to melt high grade contruction steel along with easily being able to recognise thermite reactions and squibs.

As a side note: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt but I hope to the gods you seriously don't believe cancer is a virus.

and finally 4) Straight to the point, the war on terror IS a crock of shit. For this simple reason, the US government had Osama Bin Laden in a hospital in the US back in the 90s. They treated him for his kidney problems. He was even visited by a director of the CIA, and they-let-him-go. So yeah, as you say, its a big crock of shit. Open your eyes and feel free to stop being a sheep. The US government isnt above big conspiracies, remember the Watergate scandal? That started out as a "crazy conspiracy theory", but low and behold, it was true.

 

[Helgi]

Here in Iceland where I live we don't even have a military.

 

[vampirekid.13]

america does not have a mandatory term that must be served sadly. altho i believe that all countries should have a mandatory 2 year military service when you hit 18yrs old for everyone.

That's kind of harsh - it's already bad enough that you can't go to college without signing up for selective service. Military service should voluntary, because otherwise you end up with most people not being able to serve for some reason or another, and all the talent ends up going out to shoot people. The way around it is to do what the US has been doing since enlistment droped and that is lower the standards. Raise the age bar, allow in convicted drug dealers and gang members, people with mental illness and incerease the use of enlistment plea bargining. It's going to ruin the military as a whole eventually.

not really, 2 years really isnt that much time, its generally only 1 year and a half of service and half a year giving u training on doing a job , which helps outside the military too.

also 2 years is long enough to teach people basic skills and discipline, i feel its appropriate, after that you can go to college and live out your life.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

You need to check your definition of troll, since trolls don't bother debating issues with proper points etc.

So we shall continue until you realise you are even more full of shit than the US government.

1) Gay joke, wow, just prove you're the troll here not me. Either that or you are a supporter of hate crimes against homosexuals since you are using the term in a derogatory way. GJ there, sport.

2) Clearly you don't understand the concept of "My country a'll say what i like". But since I seemed to miss your little carpet bombing issue I'll dive right in with a detailed explaination as follows:

PLEASE NOTE: This is an explaination in reguards to the current middle east situation and cannot be applied to other places or cultures like Korea etc

First of all as a culture a lot of the middle east is still stuck in the dark ages, stoning people, murdering wives for infidelity etc. Their refusal to evolve as a culture alone dictates their genocide through carpet bombing or similar. Why you ask? But such cultural defects such as stoning people and murdering your unfaithful wives are just plain out dated and stupid and shows how horrible your socity really is. Such cultural actions and beliefs should be stomped into the ground like we stomp upon Nazis.

Secondly, this is in responce to rooftopassasin: They arn't telling us any information ANYWAY, they are not co-operating and want us out. Plus when you catch them on video they still deny it was them doing it. THATS how stupid these people are. Even chavs/neds/whatever youc all them, admit it when you catch them on camera for crying out loud.

Thirdly, when they travel to other countries they have a nasty habit of ignoring that countries laws and demanding that idiotic things like sharia law be instated. Unlike developed and evolved nations such as the US, Australia and western europe etc, who respect the cultures of the countries they move to, these sub-par people refuse to do that and expect us to treat them like they are in their home country.

So yeah, until they willing bring themselves upto a modern level of civilised culture, I will continue to believe they are MORE than deserving of being bombed back into the freaking stone age, although with their current chauvanistic beliefs that would probably be an improvement.

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3) My sources consist of experts on demolition, experts in chemitry and simple knowledge that its literally impossible for planes to vaporise and jet fuel to burn hot enough to melt high grade contruction steel along with easily being able to recognise thermite reactions and squibs.

As a side note: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt but I hope to the gods you seriously don't believe cancer is a virus.

and finally 4) Straight to the point, the war on terror IS a crock of shit. For this simple reason, the US government had Osama Bin Laden in a hospital in the US back in the 90s. They treated him for his kidney problems. He was even visited by a director of the CIA, and they-let-him-go. So yeah, as you say, its a big crock of shit. Open your eyes and feel free to stop being a sheep. The US government isnt above big conspiracies, remember the Watergate scandal? That started out as a "crazy conspiracy theory", but low and behold, it was true.

1)Nah, I was just flaming back because you used the term idiot.It's not anti-gay just a gay related joke.Admittedly it is stereotypical, but I don't support hate crimes against gays.
2)Same strawman.Never said you didn't have the right to free speech.
3)I'd like to see some sources linked.At least the ones you use, because the people I've seen so far aren't very credible. BTW "cancer virus" were your words for describing the anti-vaccination conspiracy theory or whatever and I went with them, and yes I know that cancer isn't a virus.
4)Watergate was blown wide open, and was between a few people.Do you realize how many people it would take to conspire an inside job for 9/11? That's alot of potential leaks and other stuff.Not to mention, what the hell is the logic behind 9/11 as an inside job? They pretty much just used it to drum up patriotism and jingoism and blew their load by invading Iraq, which had nothing to do with it in either case. You'd figure they would link it to people from Iraq or Afghanistan if this was their big job. I agree that the War on Terror is bullshit, but because I think it should be a criminal/civil matter instead of a military engagement issue.Admittedly, I think there might be some justification for military action after a hit on the Pentagon, but not as much as there has been.

Thanks for calming down though, I think this has potential to become more civil now, despite the way we've been arguing.

 

[Insanum]

In britain too, I don't have a high opinion of the military much since they refuse to carpet bomb their enemies into oblivion anymore. Pussies.

Carpet bombing is only logical if the enemy is grouped together. They tend to be doing less of that as of late. I think they might have worked out the flaw in that approach. Also annoyingly, enemy buildings tend to be built less close together now. Damn military engineers are ruining everyone's fun!.

Besides it's a waste of ammunition to carpet bomb the enemy and anyone saying otherwise is just wanting a light show.

Who said anything about military buildings? Carpet bombing is for use on civilians too dumb to realise they're on the wrong side. Plus if you are in danger of being slaughtered mercilessly, people will throw those responsible to the dogs so to speak.

I think we have read two very different copies of the Geneva Convention!.

If by chance you meant enemy soldiers, then as I said, they are not very stupid. At least, not to be out in the open and bunched up to be atomized by bombs.

Also, building and structures are common carpet bombing targets. Just so you know. The point is, carpet bombing isn't what it used to be.

Quite clearly you didnt see china's processions. The urge to carpet bomb one of those is soooo high, But i know it WOULD start WW3, Or at least REALLY piss off the people's republic.

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OT: National Service? Im glad im not stuck with it. Over here a lot of lads are REALLY scroaty when they are 18, so ARMING THEM doesn't seem like the sensible thing to do.