The Monster That Is EA

[Faulty Turmoil]

You do realize EA is not a developer, right?

They're a publisher. They don't make games.

But yeah, they don't care at all. Still, I'm fine because I don't like sports games anyway.
Or EA.

Tell that to my good friends and former roommates who worked for EA Tiburon making the sports games in question. He wasn't publishing, he was developing. Now he works for EA...Salt Lake, I think?

I've been pointed out before, but here you go.

Oh ok.
Sorry about that, should have gotten my facts straight first.

Also I think EA are slowly getting better in some aspects, but not in others. (Marketing)
At least they're better than they were a few years ago, but Activision seems to have filled that void.

 

[kemosabi4]

Oh ok.
Sorry about that, should have gotten my facts straight first.

That's alright. Just the fact that you admitted your mistake puts you leaps and bounds ahead of most internet dwellers.

The way I see it, anonymity is not an excuse to be an ass.

Plus hating people takes too much effort, and I'm a lazy guy.

That's my belief when it comes to online discussion, too. Plus, your last line is very sig-able.

 

[kemosabi4]

They develop several of the games they publish. For example, they developed the original Dead Space and nearly all (if not all) of their sports games, sports games being the primary examples of their belligerence.

The original dead space wasn't by visceral? So why it is on their site?

Visceral used to be EA Redwood Shores, and under that name, they developed it.

 

[kemosabi4]

I dislike them but if I had to choose between them and Activision It would be an easy call.

That said if I was given a gun and 1 bullet and told to shoot EA, Activison or Mythic I would plant the shot into EA's liver, beat Activison to death with the gun before making love to Mythic on the Exsanguinating body of EA.

God, I wish we had signatures, cause that would be my new one.

EDIT: Wow, triple post. Sorry bout that.

 

[MrTub]

Honestly.. I do not really see why so many people are angry at a corporation trying to make some money of the second hand market. Might not be the best solution tho..

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

You do realize EA is not a developer, right?

They're a publisher. They don't make games.

But yeah, they don't care at all. Still, I'm fine because I don't like sports games anyway.
Or EA.

They develop several of the games they publish. For example, they developed the original Dead Space and nearly all (if not all) of their sports games, sports games being the primary examples of their belligerence.

It was developed by Visceral Games(formally known as EA Redwood Shores). DICE make Battlefield games which are in turn owned by EA. They are owned by EA but not really EA. Need for Speed is made by Criterion (or something like that) which were bought by EA. So EA owns companies that develop games but do not actually directly make games themselves as they are a publisher.

OT: I don't see anything wrong with this to be honest. The vast majority of preowned buyers don't use the online portion of games. At least that is what people seem to believe. It is also encouraging people to buy the games new since not a lot of people tend to buy new anymore. You do know the online portion of most games is not 100% free(except for P2P)? Have you ever even read the terms and conditions in a game manual? Most of them say something along the lines of you do not own the game you buy, what you really own is 1 licence that permits you use of 1 copy of the game. You are not permitted to lend, rent out, etc. They had this on the start up screen of every PS1 game back in the day.

I'm saying that that entire philosophy is complete bull. You bought the damn thing, therefore, you should be allowed full access without restriction. Besides, when was the last time Terms and Conditions stopped anybody? And how is online gaming not nearly 100% free? Besides paying for online service through game consoles, (which is completely acceptable) I've not seen another game that demands extra money to play online.

Well that is the point you do not see where the money goes. People on the PC have to pay to own Dedicated Servers on which OTHER people and their clan play. Yes you did buy the game but you obviously have not acquired the right to play the online portion which as I already said does incur costs if it is not P2P. In my opinion P2P is fairly shit anyway.

I think paying for XBL is completely unacceptable and utterly disgraceful. You are paying for the right to play online, an expensive chat service and nothing else. Microsoft does not run proper dedicated servers for its game and most console games run on a P2P like network.

You cannot really pick and choose what laws and rules of contracts suit you. As I already said you do not buy the game you do not own it. What have gained is a licence to use one copy of said game which can be taken away at anytime. They are well within their rights to do this to discourage Preowned sales. Just because you do not agree with their current business model make it illegal and against their right as a company to do so. If you do not like it talk with your wallet like most other people do and do not buy the games.

 

[EPolleys]

I have actually received excellent customer service from EA in the past, although I will say only having one chance at the Mass Effect 2 pre-order stuff without messing up really pissed me off.
They did offer it as dlc later on but that doesn't excuse the terrible system beforehand.

 

[Trogdor1138]

The online pass thing is such a stupid system, it should have never been introduced.

Like right now, the PSN Store is down, so I can't use my redeem code for Mortal Kombat, despite the fact online play is up. It's ridiculous. All because they're too fucking greedy and want a possible $10 from a purchase that had nothing to do with them.

If a paying customer wants to sell their goods, then they're fully entitled to do so. Things like this project 10 dollar, just plain greedy. Why should the videogame market be excused over movies, books etc.? Videogames make a hell of a lot of money, if they didn't, it wouldn't be a such a huge market that rapidly grows.

 

[HontooNoNeko]

I don't get it you bought a used game and then complain when it doesn't run like its brand new? Do you also buy used cars and complain on how you have to replace a worn down part? You decided to pay less for a used product. if you don't want to pay for additional charges for how someone else used the product DON'T BUY USED!

With that said I'm not a fan of this method either but honestly what can you expect. You feel the company is charging too much so you jip the company out of their money by buying used so they jip you right back thus the circle of greed continues.

Also just to point this out.
"I'm too greedy to pay $60 on a new game so I'll buy used."
10 minutes later...
"Damn those greedy companies trying to make me pay full price for their products."

 

[Gametek]

Honestly.. I do not really see why so many people are angry at a corporation trying to make some money of the second hand market. Might not be the best solution tho..

Their product are my hobbies. And latelly, the object of my hobbies suck.
Their marketing campaing is ruining a lot of game. And puoring trash on the whole gamer community.
And BlaBlaBla. Need a list? I really want to call it a day and go to sleep.

 

[kemosabi4]

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I think paying for XBL is completely unacceptable and utterly disgraceful. You are paying for the right to play online, an expensive chat service and nothing else. Microsoft does not run proper dedicated servers for its game and most console games run on a P2P like network.

You cannot really pick and choose what laws and rules of contracts suit you. As I already said you do not buy the game you do not own it. What have gained is a licence to use one copy of said game which can be taken away at anytime. They are well within their rights to do this to discourage Preowned sales. Just because you do not agree with their current business model make it illegal and against their right as a company to do so. If you do not like it talk with your wallet like most other people do and do not buy the games.

Paying for XBL is perfectly fine. The reason you pay for XBL is because they provide a better experience than PSN. They have more features (Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Last.fm) and better security (less downtime, absolutely no hacking whatsoever). What's not acceptable is being expected to have to pay the game companies to access these features.

And my point for ownership is that those terms and conditions SHOULDN'T EXIST. If you pay for it, then you should be able to do what you want with it, no restrictions or limitations. You pay for Live, you get full access. You pay for an EA game, you have to pay extra to access all of it. That is what I can't stand.

 

[kuyo]

You do realize EA is not a developer, right?

They're a publisher. They don't make games.

But yeah, they don't care at all. Still, I'm fine because I don't like sports games anyway.
Or EA.

The problem with that is EA buys companies, so the poison seeps into all sorts of stuff. There is no sacred ground.

 

[MrTub]

Honestly.. I do not really see why so many people are angry at a corporation trying to make some money of the second hand market. Might not be the best solution tho..

Their product are my hobbies. And latelly, the object of my hobbies suck.
Their marketing campaing is ruining a lot of game. And puoring trash on the whole gamer community.
And BlaBlaBla. Need a list? I really want to call it a day and go to sleep.

Yeah and Pc gaming is my hobby and I need to pay 25% vat tax on everything do I complain about it? no. I DEAL WITH IT.

The same way if you buy something used you shouldnt except it to run as a NEW.

 

[kemosabi4]

I don't get it you bought a used game and then complain when it doesn't run like its brand new? Do you also buy used cars and complain on how you have to replace a worn down part? You decided to pay less for a used product. if you don't want to pay for additional charges for how someone else used the product DON'T BUY USED!

With that said I'm not a fan of this method either but honestly what can you expect. You feel the company is charging too much so you jip the company out of their money by buying used so they jip you right back thus the circle of greed continues.

I don't. I expect a slight drop in quality. What shouldn't happen is buying a used item with a huge chunk of it missing. That would be like buying a used car that doesn't have a steering wheel. It's inexcusable.

 

[HontooNoNeko]

I don't get it you bought a used game and then complain when it doesn't run like its brand new? Do you also buy used cars and complain on how you have to replace a worn down part? You decided to pay less for a used product. if you don't want to pay for additional charges for how someone else used the product DON'T BUY USED!

With that said I'm not a fan of this method either but honestly what can you expect. You feel the company is charging too much so you jip the company out of their money by buying used so they jip you right back thus the circle of greed continues.

I don't. I expect a slight drop in quality. What shouldn't happen is buying a used item with a huge chunk of it missing. That would be like buying a used car that doesn't have a steering wheel. It's inexcusable.

A steering wheel is a major component of a car and is necessary for it to function. On the other hand Multiplayer is not a necessary feature for the game to function and is more easily compared to speakers, radio, windows or air conditioning.

EDIT: Also if your buying a car without a steering wheel then both you and the seller are at fault.

 

[Hiphophippo]

You do realize EA is not a developer, right?

They're a publisher. They don't make games.

But yeah, they don't care at all. Still, I'm fine because I don't like sports games anyway.
Or EA.

Tell that to my good friends and former roommates who worked for EA Tiburon making the sports games in question. He wasn't publishing, he was developing. Now he works for EA...Salt Lake, I think?

Because that was EA Tiburon. A developer that EA, the publisher, owns.

I guess I just look at it differently. If EA owns Tiburon, then how is Tiburon not EA?

 

[iblis666]

i think its obvious that EA and Activision both need to be destroyed

 

[Phlakes]

You do realize EA is not a developer, right?

They're a publisher. They don't make games.

But yeah, they don't care at all. Still, I'm fine because I don't like sports games anyway.
Or EA.

Tell that to my good friends and former roommates who worked for EA Tiburon making the sports games in question. He wasn't publishing, he was developing. Now he works for EA...Salt Lake, I think?

Because that was EA Tiburon. A developer that EA, the publisher, owns.

I guess I just look at it differently. If EA owns Tiburon, then how is Tiburon not EA?

Because the EA that handles PR and pricing and everything, what OP is talking about, is the publisher. Tiburon and all the other EA owned developers only make the games.

Even EA Sports is just a subsidiary of the publisher with its own developers.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

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I think paying for XBL is completely unacceptable and utterly disgraceful. You are paying for the right to play online, an expensive chat service and nothing else. Microsoft does not run proper dedicated servers for its game and most console games run on a P2P like network.

You cannot really pick and choose what laws and rules of contracts suit you. As I already said you do not buy the game you do not own it. What have gained is a licence to use one copy of said game which can be taken away at anytime. They are well within their rights to do this to discourage Preowned sales. Just because you do not agree with their current business model make it illegal and against their right as a company to do so. If you do not like it talk with your wallet like most other people do and do not buy the games.

Paying for XBL is perfectly fine. The reason you pay for XBL is because they provide a better experience than PSN. They have more features (Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Last.fm) and better security (less downtime, absolutely no hacking whatsoever). What's not acceptable is being expected to have to pay the game companies to access these features.

And my point for ownership is that those terms and conditions SHOULDN'T EXIST. If you pay for it, then you should be able to do what you want with it, no restrictions or limitations. You pay for Live, you get full access. You pay for an EA game, you have to pay extra to access all of it. That is what I can't stand.

You do not pay for any of those things. To use Netflix you need a Netflix account. Same for the Sky thing they have going you need a Sky account or actually own a Sky box. You do not suddenly get all that stuff because you pay for XBL. Facebook and Twitter you can get for free anyway. If you really think that XBL is unhackable or really has much better security just because PSN has been down you need to get your head out of the clouds. If someone really wanted to they could hack XBL just as easy as PSN. So don't kid yourself the money is going straight into Microsoft's deep pockets.

No you shouldn't be able to access all of it. By that logic I should not be able to ban you from my dedicated server just because you bought the game. That makes no sense. If I have a dedicated server I can ban you from it and deprive you of that part of the game because I own it. Same as EA owns the online portion of the game as they run the servers(if it is servers if not you shouldn't even need XBL). What is wrong with purchasing a preowned game for less than ?20 or whatever currency you use and pay an extra 10 to play online. You are paying ?30 for a full game and that is still a good price in my opinion.