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teh_Canape

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well...

you know, down in my country the, eh, the "N" word kind of downgraded, I mean, we really do use it a lot as a nickname, and only when used with anger it really becomes offensive

but then again, different cultures =P
 

Therumancer

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Professor James said:
How In honor of black history month, I decided to talk about the word ******. do you feel about the usage of ****** among blacks and frat boys/12 year olds. As for blacks, I find it ironic that people spent years to lower the usage of that word & black people use it all (in lack of a better word) Willy nilly. As for frat boys/12 year olds well that's just rudeness and anonymity but I think a few frat boys call themselves ****** so they can pretend to be black because to them black means cool. So anyway, do you care about the usage of ****** and do you think the definition of ****** changed from being derogative to just kind of a greeting.

Disclaimer: please tell me if this is a repeat thread.
It's a power thing to be honest. I'm not politically correct, so I'm going to be blunt about it.

Black culture in the USA is incredibly messed up and has become it's own worst enemy. With real racism dead in the mainstream, the civil liberties battle won, and a black president (which means he needed support from the majority to even have a shot) there is no serious questioning of these facts. The problem is with all of these things done with, it's time for black America to get down to the actual hard work, taking advantage of those oppertunities that were fought for, assimilating into society, and becoming just like everyone else now that nobody is holding them back. The problem of course being that to a lot of black folks they don't feel this is what they were promised. They don't just want to go and work in school like everyone else, and have the same soul crushing 9-5 jobs that everyone has. They expected "equal oppertunity" to amount to success, a life of leisure, a big fancy car, and control over one's own destiny. The kinds of things most people don't have. This leads to a general attitude that if they can't be on top, and be powerful, they would rather not even try, or be dead. The so called "get rich or die trying" attitude.

Simply put, the so called "N" word has become a power thing, part of the entire point of using it is to draw a line in society, it seperates blacks from whites, and also demonstrates "hey I've got this word that was once used as a sign of oppression, but now I can shoot it off everywhere and you can't or even your own people will get upset with you". People keep asking about the dual standard, and trying to analyze the situation, when really that reaction is exactly what it's all about. The point being that you walk into a workplace, and if two of your black co-workers start using that word, it's almost a challenge to the management of "go ahead, use the word, or try and stop us from doing it" because they know they can make a scene about it.

I'm probably not articulating it well, and I'm sure a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but this is the bottom line when you get down to it.

Honestly, I'll be painfully blunt in saying that I think things like "black history month" are counter productive to the problems we're dealing with, because by their very nature they draw a division where "we need a special month for black people" when the idea is to deal with breaking down a counter culture, and unrealistic expectations, and working towards assimilation. I think every thing we do right now that makes it seem special to be black, or simgles them out for some kind of appreciation has exactly the opposite effect people setting up wants, and does nothing but fuel those expectations.

I'm one of those people who think that as a society we need to start seriously hammering the "proud to be ignorant" aspects of the culture and doing whatever it takes to install realistic goals, and an idea of assimilating into normal society. That incidently means also doing things like ending the one way usage of the "N" word.

I don't expect my response to be popular (as I said) but this is what I think.
 

KoSTHB

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to me it like a grammatical error when a white person says it, it just doesn't sound natural i mean if a white person comes up to me a uses ****** in a friendly manner i'm just going to look at them funny. Your free to use it but is it needed? The word has changed into something positive by embracing a hurtful word we nullified the damaged it could cause. White people you don't look cool saying just silly or possible racist if you mean it that way so basically it has no point in your vocabulary
 

Professor James

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Therumancer said:
Professor James said:
How In honor of black history month, I decided to talk about the word ******. do you feel about the usage of ****** among blacks and frat boys/12 year olds. As for blacks, I find it ironic that people spent years to lower the usage of that word & black people use it all (in lack of a better word) Willy nilly. As for frat boys/12 year olds well that's just rudeness and anonymity but I think a few frat boys call themselves ****** so they can pretend to be black because to them black means cool. So anyway, do you care about the usage of ****** and do you think the definition of ****** changed from being derogative to just kind of a greeting.

Disclaimer: please tell me if this is a repeat thread.
It's a power thing to be honest. I'm not politically correct, so I'm going to be blunt about it.

Black culture in the USA is incredibly messed up and has become it's own worst enemy. With real racism dead in the mainstream, the civil liberties battle won, and a black president (which means he needed support from the majority to even have a shot) there is no serious questioning of these facts. The problem is with all of these things done with, it's time for black America to get down to the actual hard work, taking advantage of those oppertunities that were fought for, assimilating into society, and becoming just like everyone else now that nobody is holding them back. The problem of course being that to a lot of black folks they don't feel this is what they were promised. They don't just want to go and work in school like everyone else, and have the same soul crushing 9-5 jobs that everyone has. They expected "equal oppertunity" to amount to success, a life of leisure, a big fancy car, and control over one's own destiny. The kinds of things most people don't have. This leads to a general attitude that if they can't be on top, and be powerful, they would rather not even try, or be dead. The so called "get rich or die trying" attitude.

Simply put, the so called "N" word has become a power thing, part of the entire point of using it is to draw a line in society, it seperates blacks from whites, and also demonstrates "hey I've got this word that was once used as a sign of oppression, but now I can shoot it off everywhere and you can't or even your own people will get upset with you". People keep asking about the dual standard, and trying to analyze the situation, when really that reaction is exactly what it's all about. The point being that you walk into a workplace, and if two of your black co-workers start using that word, it's almost a challenge to the management of "go ahead, use the word, or try and stop us from doing it" because they know they can make a scene about it.

I'm probably not articulating it well, and I'm sure a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but this is the bottom line when you get down to it.

Honestly, I'll be painfully blunt in saying that I think things like "black history month" are counter productive to the problems we're dealing with, because by their very nature they draw a division where "we need a special month for black people" when the idea is to deal with breaking down a counter culture, and unrealistic expectations, and working towards assimilation. I think every thing we do right now that makes it seem special to be black, or simgles them out for some kind of appreciation has exactly the opposite effect people setting up wants, and does nothing but fuel those expectations.

I'm one of those people who think that as a society we need to start seriously hammering the "proud to be ignorant" aspects of the culture and doing whatever it takes to install realistic goals, and an idea of assimilating into normal society. That incidently means also doing things like ending the one way usage of the "N" word.

I don't expect my response to be popular (as I said) but this is what I think.
Beautiful, couldn't have said it better myself.
 

Tanis

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If a black dude can say it, I can to.

Either we're equal in the good and the bad or we're not.
 

inFAMOUSCowZ

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I see it as a word, I mean I don't use and have no need to. I live in an area where there are a far amount of black people, and a few other races. Thing is the word ****** is a disrespectful word, but yet black people use it a lot for a reason I never understood. I asked my friends and they dont know why they use it.
 

Zechnophobe

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****** is a slur. That is, a form of a word intended to be used in the pejorative, based off of Negro (which means black). A Negro Man just means a black man.

Honestly, it is about as interesting to discuss it's merits in conversation as the word Asshole. Should we discuss whether or not Asshole is an appropriate term to call someone? Maybe Fuckwad? It isn't a neutral word that people have perverted with some negative context. It is a word that was designed to be insulting.

How can you possibly reclaim that?
 

Zechnophobe

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tanis1lionheart said:
If a black dude can say it, I can to.

Either we're equal in the good and the bad or we're not.
Context lends to meaning however. When I call one of my friends a ***** because he took the last of the Cocoa Puffs, it has one meaning, one severity. When I call my girlfriend a ***** for sleeping with Hugh Jackman again, it means something entirely different.

The roots (lulz) of the bias for the term is in the way we use language itself, not just the history of the word.
 

EvanJO

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It's a fucking word.

******.

I say it every day to all my friends (black, white, hispanic, asian, my dog) and guess what? Nobody gives a shit because I'm not a racist.

Plus, you know, race inclined jokes are hysterical.
 

Arsen

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*shrugs*

People (especially the black community) tend to over react to the word in today's day and age (usually because of the headlines which always make the front pages). I truly wish that aspect of society would grasp the fact that if no one takes offense to the word, it looses it power to offend. One of the main reasons people still use it is because of the level of offense it causes. Then again, attitudes, ethics, and numerous perspectives within the black community (speaking solely from an American standpoint) need an overhaul. Parents need to stop teaching their children that the word takes away their value as a human being, that it should only be offensive towards those in the slavery/pre-segregation days, and that it's a word that shouldn't effect them as human beings.

When the above happens, we might finally be segregated from the misjudgement that word has caused this world.
 

Plurralbles

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It's oen of the mostinherently ugly sounding words in teh english language, regardless of what it means. I once tried to use the word but it came out incredibly awkward. I wish no one would use it. Not because it's offensive to sentimentalities from slavery, but it's just an ugly word to my ears. Bleh.

BUt it's justa word and intent needs to be taken into account on an individual basis, there is no right of someone to regulate the usage of a word to a certain demographic or simply finding great offense fr the us of it, regardless of context.
 

Kinguendo

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blakfayt said:
I say it all the time, but that's cause the last black dude to call me out on it got a face full of super-mega-nerd rage. I threw the whole "If I can't say nigga then I'd better not catch you saying 'cracker' ever, cause if I do me and about thirty other white guys are gonna show up at your house, kick in the door, beat you up, kidnap your brother, sell him to some crazy assholes we know, and blame it all on your father! And the police will believe it too, cause we're WHITE!" He laughed so damn hard, along with everyone around us, it was good times.
I bet literally none of that happened... consider your balls busted.
 

Tanis

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Zechnophobe said:
tanis1lionheart said:
If a black dude can say it, I can to.

Either we're equal in the good and the bad or we're not.
Context lends to meaning however. When I call one of my friends a ***** because he took the last of the Cocoa Puffs, it has one meaning, one severity. When I call my girlfriend a ***** for sleeping with Hugh Jackman again, it means something entirely different.

The roots (lulz) of the bias for the term is in the way we use language itself, not just the history of the word.
I dig that however if me and my cracker friends what to call each other 'the n word' why can't we?
Sure, we'll look like douche bags, but you think 'chicano' with his baggy pants and 'jesus is my homeboy' shirt ain't just as bad, or worse.

As long as I, or another white/brown/yellow/ect person, ain't using the word as a KKK I don't see the big deal.
Hell, even if the person IS using 'that one word' as a racial slur - GET OVER IT!

You give a bully power when you let them know something is bugging them.

If black folks would attend KKK marches with 'I HEAR YOU LIKE FRIED CHICKEN, SO DO WE!' and other signs...how much of impact do you think the KKK would have?

Remove power by removing the source of power.
It's Harry Potter 101.
 

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*Dear mods - I realize this is a touchy subject, and I mean no offense to anyone, but this is a subject I feel strongly about. I'm merely voicing my opinion in the simplest, most honest way I can. - HailtotheKing
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I, personally, don't consider it a racial insult. If it's used in the typically considered insulting sense, I take it to mean, for lack of a better way of putting it, trashy people. The kind of women that go to the store in thin, aged pajama pants 3 sizes too small, no shoes and dirty wifebeaters. The kind of people who let their kids run rampant through a store causing havoc without ever correcting them. The kind of men that talk a big game to make themselves seem big and badass, but would sooner do away with the booze and weed and run for Congress than back up any of their threats. That's what a ****** is to me, and maybe this comes from growing up in a very small town in the deep South, but I've know just as many white, Asian and Latino 'niggers' as I have black ones.

A term that I take more offense to is 'African American'. Yeah, yeah, political correctness and all that. Tell me this though: how can you claim to be an African American if you were born in America and have never been outside of the country? "But HailtotheKing, their ancestors are from Africa!" Newsflash: Science determined that anatomically modern humans originated in Africa! By that logic, I'm exactly as African American as any person of color. My uncle is a 300 pound white guy who could pass as Jay Leno's twin brother. He happens to be a citizen of both Africa and America, but no politically correct people would ever consider him an African American. What's that called, ignoring facts in favor of just what you can see based on someones skin color? That, friends, is racism. (there are other points I could make, but Maddox has already said them better than I could - [link]http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=your_stupid_ideas[/link])

Don't get me wrong, I think that anyone, regardless of skin color, who goes up to a black person and spouts up "****** this, and ****** that" in an insulting way, trying to make trouble is a stupid, misinformed, hate-filled **** who deserves to get their teeth kicked in.

I think racial prejudice is stupid in and of itself. Yahtzee said it best, you should need a better reason to dislike someone than the level of melanin in their skin.
 

bl4ckh4wk64

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Psycho Cat Industries said:
Just watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ

Really,who cares when all people do is come up for another word to say the EXACT SAME THING
OG MY GOD!!! Someone on youtube with an understanding of American politics. I don't believe it.