If fallout 3 is oriented more towards Oblivion (which as understand it will be), Bethesda will definitely not be able to capture the atmosphere and countless options of Fallout. While Oblivion and Morrowind presented huge worlds to explore, like many of you said, you still only have certain choices. Fallout took a fewer amount of maps but created the illusion of a living, breathing, seemingly large world. What made that possible was filling small areas with lots of detail, variety and interaction. Almost everything in Oblivion is generic. I understand that you should come across many places where nothing is going on (as in any semi-normal world) but Bethesda needs to work on filling out the places where there IS something going on. I admit I enjoyed Oblivion and played it for hours, but hardly anything has a background story; bandits don't have a particular reason to be hiding out in a cave or a tent called "So and So's Camp" You have to fight anybody you encounter, there's no politics or diplomacy. Matter of fact, you can get through the whole game with little or no speechcraft skill. Everyone is either good or bad and you can't kill somebody if they're too important (which was a big mistake on Bethesda's part) and fast travel killed much of the adventure while destroying the illusion of a large world. The imperial city (the biggest city in the game) isn't bustling at all, maybe 200 people live there lol. They?re no caravans or much else going in. The point I'm making if you make an environment believable the whole game will follow suit and a great atmosphere will be created. I will say I enjoyed Shivering Isles much more for the fact that it was much more of a fantasy world and the people there lived by the strange rules so was much more believable. There was actually some mystery, a background story that slowly revealed itself, strange creatures, and quite a lot of nooks and crannies to explore. There still wasn't enough choice though, but it was better than Oblivion. I will give Bethesda credit; I was awestruck by the graphics and fluidity of the animations. The combat is great; you can actually block and perform different attacks in real time. The skills are nice too, and the fact you actually get extra benefits for reaching higher ranks (Journeyman, Master, etc). The game is just too generic and unbelievable (like having to find a fence to sell stolen goods). All in all I think Bethesda has the capability to produce a good take of Fallout, but if they stick with the formula they used for Oblivion, it will just be Oblivion with guns and nothing more. They need to think about what made Fallout 1 and 2 great games and incorporate those details.
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Okay, well here's my two cents now that the game is out and all that:
Intro, rocked ass. Was so much better than Oblivion's little "Hey, i'm the emperor. Now that you know you're a star-destined hero, i'm gonna die." It let you get to know the father character a bit, he was likable, non-cryptic, and seemed to be a nice family man who just wanted a better life for his child.
Once he runs off, you actually have some incentive to get out of the vault to find him (besides the guards that want to kill you on sight.)
James, the Overseer, Amata, Butch, they all had great voice actors, and their characters had some emotion. Sure, they still had the staring at you syndrome of Oblivion, but at least it wasnt a drawn out drone voice as well.
Upon escaping the vault, your first enemies are usually a band of three raiders, a dog, or a bloat fly. The bloat fly was an interesting enemy that had me going "what the fuck its got projectiles!" as I'm dodging it shooting at it with my BB gun (cuz 10mm bullets are scarce at the beginning).
After doing a little exploring (stupidly), I was up in the nearby mountains and found a few relay towers... Bob Anderstien was a little saddening, but eh, who has time to weep when you're hearing *Thud* *thud* *thud* and then getting assraped by a Deathclaw out of nowhere.
Now, when playing on low graphics, the Deathclaw isnt that scary graphic-wise... until its right up in your face and all you've got left is a police baton, which usually it is because on low graphics you cant see opponents until they are 10 feet away... and thats usually when the Deathclaw jumps at your unsuspecting ass. On high graphics, this thing is ferocious, especially in the dark. They're almost invisible, even with the Pipboy light.
Super Mutants, yeah once i stop to think about it, they should be passive-aggressive because the master is pretty much 50+ years dead, but its nice to get a minigun or missile launcher every now and then. I like that they not only brought Centaurs back as well, but that they made them stealth monsters with projectiles. Cant hear the damn things until they're gnawing on your liver.
All in all, this game was awesome in action, graphics, and replay value. As far as storyline goes, it was direly short compared to oblivion, but thats mainly because the previous 2 fallout games had pretty much covered every possible angle as far as potential storylines.
I would actually like to see Bethesda make a Fallout 4 or something of the like, but this time use the bastard child from New Reno in the Fallout 2 ending (have sex with John Bishop's daughter unprotected for this ending) as a main character.
I can even describe the main backstory:
You grow up in New Reno and either become a Made Man for the Bishop family, a Pornstar, or a Boxer. Then the Remanants of the Navarro enclave invade New Reno, kill everyone you knew as a kid, and leave you to die somewhere in between New Reno and NCR. Barely surviving because a caravan finds you and brings you to Broken Hills, you begin to scour the wasteland of Northern California and get enough resources and companions to aid you in a full on siege against the last of the Californian Enclave, picking up help from little side quests that will get you in good standing with the leaders of each town (Speech and Merchantile skills from Fallout 3 and Oblivion wont count here as to make it harder to gain the NPC's trust).
You revisit the Den, Redding, Klamath, and can even see what New Arroyo looks like, possibly even finding the father of the main character as an old man with a cool, game breaking item that he gives you upon completion of the main storyline.
And if Bethesda makes DLC's for it, they can nerf the item considerably, or up the difficulty of the DLC so that the gamebreaking weapon seems like a combat knife or something.
I dont think it would be such a bad idea.
Cant wait for the Fallout 1 rendering mod to come out for FO3
Intro, rocked ass. Was so much better than Oblivion's little "Hey, i'm the emperor. Now that you know you're a star-destined hero, i'm gonna die." It let you get to know the father character a bit, he was likable, non-cryptic, and seemed to be a nice family man who just wanted a better life for his child.
Once he runs off, you actually have some incentive to get out of the vault to find him (besides the guards that want to kill you on sight.)
James, the Overseer, Amata, Butch, they all had great voice actors, and their characters had some emotion. Sure, they still had the staring at you syndrome of Oblivion, but at least it wasnt a drawn out drone voice as well.
Upon escaping the vault, your first enemies are usually a band of three raiders, a dog, or a bloat fly. The bloat fly was an interesting enemy that had me going "what the fuck its got projectiles!" as I'm dodging it shooting at it with my BB gun (cuz 10mm bullets are scarce at the beginning).
After doing a little exploring (stupidly), I was up in the nearby mountains and found a few relay towers... Bob Anderstien was a little saddening, but eh, who has time to weep when you're hearing *Thud* *thud* *thud* and then getting assraped by a Deathclaw out of nowhere.
Now, when playing on low graphics, the Deathclaw isnt that scary graphic-wise... until its right up in your face and all you've got left is a police baton, which usually it is because on low graphics you cant see opponents until they are 10 feet away... and thats usually when the Deathclaw jumps at your unsuspecting ass. On high graphics, this thing is ferocious, especially in the dark. They're almost invisible, even with the Pipboy light.
Super Mutants, yeah once i stop to think about it, they should be passive-aggressive because the master is pretty much 50+ years dead, but its nice to get a minigun or missile launcher every now and then. I like that they not only brought Centaurs back as well, but that they made them stealth monsters with projectiles. Cant hear the damn things until they're gnawing on your liver.
All in all, this game was awesome in action, graphics, and replay value. As far as storyline goes, it was direly short compared to oblivion, but thats mainly because the previous 2 fallout games had pretty much covered every possible angle as far as potential storylines.
I would actually like to see Bethesda make a Fallout 4 or something of the like, but this time use the bastard child from New Reno in the Fallout 2 ending (have sex with John Bishop's daughter unprotected for this ending) as a main character.
I can even describe the main backstory:
You grow up in New Reno and either become a Made Man for the Bishop family, a Pornstar, or a Boxer. Then the Remanants of the Navarro enclave invade New Reno, kill everyone you knew as a kid, and leave you to die somewhere in between New Reno and NCR. Barely surviving because a caravan finds you and brings you to Broken Hills, you begin to scour the wasteland of Northern California and get enough resources and companions to aid you in a full on siege against the last of the Californian Enclave, picking up help from little side quests that will get you in good standing with the leaders of each town (Speech and Merchantile skills from Fallout 3 and Oblivion wont count here as to make it harder to gain the NPC's trust).
You revisit the Den, Redding, Klamath, and can even see what New Arroyo looks like, possibly even finding the father of the main character as an old man with a cool, game breaking item that he gives you upon completion of the main storyline.
And if Bethesda makes DLC's for it, they can nerf the item considerably, or up the difficulty of the DLC so that the gamebreaking weapon seems like a combat knife or something.
I dont think it would be such a bad idea.
Cant wait for the Fallout 1 rendering mod to come out for FO3
I'm really not trying to be a shithead, but why did you resurrect a year-old thread to post something that has nothing to do with the topic? If you wanted to post a review, there's a forum for that; if you want to talk about the next game, why not make a new thread?
Wow you resurrect a year old thread and then post a review of the game. Shoot your self in the face after an admin locks this.PeterBainner said:
But I think this puts you up for the idiot of the year award.
We should hold each other hands, sit down, and wait for New Vagas to come out as we look down from the hill to the sea of Elitism fire down below.dekkarax said:
Valiance said:
...NECRO RANGERS UNITE!
Red Ranger: power of rage (almost being tricked by a necro)!
Yellow Ranger: power of confusion (trying to realize why this was necroed)!
Pink Ranger: power of obsolecence (seeing that this necro is completely irrelevant today)!
Blue Ranger: power of depression (the after-effect of the rage induced by the necro)!
Black Ranger: power of rot (letting the necro die again)!
Red Ranger: power of rage (almost being tricked by a necro)!
Yellow Ranger: power of confusion (trying to realize why this was necroed)!
Pink Ranger: power of obsolecence (seeing that this necro is completely irrelevant today)!
Blue Ranger: power of depression (the after-effect of the rage induced by the necro)!
Black Ranger: power of rot (letting the necro die again)!
I got a chance to improve my necro rangers joke I suppose.
We have a section [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/index/326] for this. Not that I'm even sure that a review was what you were trying to write... I'm tired.PeterBainner said:
I didnt read the dates and times, and I certainly wasnt intending on making a review. At the time of my posting, I was only giving my input, but looking back on it, yeah, i can see where the review idea comes in..
however, you newfags dont have to be utterly rude and use childish misquotes simply because I made a simple error everyone has made once in their life.
Now stfu. I dont care if an Admin locks this because, well, it isnt my thread.
Next time, contact me and I'll actually talk to you in a civil conversation before you act like a total moron in front of the entire planet.
Btw, this post is directed at EnglishMuffin for being a little immature douchebag.
however, you newfags dont have to be utterly rude and use childish misquotes simply because I made a simple error everyone has made once in their life.
Now stfu. I dont care if an Admin locks this because, well, it isnt my thread.
Next time, contact me and I'll actually talk to you in a civil conversation before you act like a total moron in front of the entire planet.
Btw, this post is directed at EnglishMuffin for being a little immature douchebag.
Actually, I would be kind of interested in banana flavored apples...Artemis923 said:
Other than that, I have to ask why this thread got resurrected.
It was resurrected by me because I did not look at the date of the last post before putting in my two cents, getting worked up over I think some guy named Comrade's simple-minded statements on "I'm a true-blooded Fallout fan so Fallout 3 is gonna suck." just like every other "Fan" out there.
Happened with DB:E, I berated em for being stupid.
Now its happening with Fallout 3, and I'm really sick of hearing everyone's argument against it being that its somehow related to Oblivion. Oblivion was an awesome game, and I'm actually surprised that with how many copies were purchased in the past year, people have the audacity to complain about it like they would never purchase it, yet its probably sitting on their shelves right next to Final Fantasy 7 and God of War...
2:39 am... peace...
Happened with DB:E, I berated em for being stupid.
Now its happening with Fallout 3, and I'm really sick of hearing everyone's argument against it being that its somehow related to Oblivion. Oblivion was an awesome game, and I'm actually surprised that with how many copies were purchased in the past year, people have the audacity to complain about it like they would never purchase it, yet its probably sitting on their shelves right next to Final Fantasy 7 and God of War...
2:39 am... peace...
Lol... funny thing about that comment (I just read it) is that Nintendo worked with Konami to improve the graphics and switch around the compatability of the first MGS for the Gamecube release of MGS: The Twin Snakes.Joeshie said:
Maybe it just took him a year to write, give him a break, hes been working on that for ages. =]
Its not happening now. It happened when you started writing your input. This was when the game wasn't released and all people had was the developer to judge an upcoming game on.PeterBainner said:
lol @ D4zZ...
It took me a millenia to write that.
And yeah, there are actually some idiots out there who are still like that...
It took me a millenia to write that.
And yeah, there are actually some idiots out there who are still like that...
I like the originals and fallout 3; and I too think that they shouldn't have called it fallout 3. Besides the lack of creativity involved in lobbing a number at the end of a title, they could've avoided this whole pr mess by calling it Fallout DC or Fallout Capitol Waste(land) or something.ComradeJim270 said: