The next gen is likely gen:monkey's paw

[TehCookie]

Cause you get used to it/I don't mind the extra effort, as it makes the outcome all the sweeter, also, it barely takes more than a minute to change cables.

I don't understand how console owners can cope with the sub-30 framerate and inability to mod most of their games.

In addition, installing drivers for hardware is barely more than a few clicks; whilst the software is installing, you can watch a movie, play a game or chat on Skype, if your computer can't handle it because of the issue, then remember that Google is your friend. Alternatively, transfer all your files to an external hard drive(only cost about ~£40) and reinstall windows.

I apologize if my comment had upset you, its just that I don't want people to brush off PCs as some hyper-complicated piece of machinery, when in fact they're not.

Tried googling and it didn't work out, I just hate having to reinstall windows because of all the tinkering I have to do to get my computer to work the way I want it to. I'm not an expert so it takes time to googling how to get the quicklaunch bar back or have my startbar have the words on it instead of a square with an picture (I miss the classic windows). Though I probably will just have to suck up and do it. However for every reasonable person like you there is a person like this:

How do you find it easier to have to crawl under a desk switch cables if you want to play on your TV

What? Do you keep your PC in a cramped space? That's not good for cooling. You need to keep it on your desk.

instal drivers for your controller that have to be uninstalled and reinstalled regularly because they just like to stop working for no apparent reason

Like, for what? I install new video drivers every other month and update the BIOS every six months. That's about it.

or being extra lucky and buying a game that crashes every time you try to run it.

Again, I've only had a grand total of one game do that. Do you have a specific example?

If computers are so easy please tell me how to stop an svchost.exe memory leak that eating up all my ram, I never had any of those problems on my consoles. Yes I have terrible luck with computers but that doesn't mean they aren't problems.

lawl red/yellow/purple ring.

Seriously, what OS are you using? Do you reformat regularly? Have MSE installed?

 

[Treblaine]

So I'm just gonna say, what sold my brother on the Wii U was actually having remote play function. Ya know taking that big ass tablet and going into your room to enjoy your favorite game while laying down in your bed. He was considering getting a PS Vita for a long time to do that, but ended up going with the Wii U, cause it could do it, and had less strings attached.

He does realise there is the rather significant "attached string" of having to be in very good wireless connection with WiiU by proximity and to change a game you need to have direct access to your WiiU and many games NEED two screens to function so they won't work jsut using the tablet?!?!

See this is the problem with Nintendo's marketing, they have so misled people on what the system actually is, people thinks it's as flexible as a Tablet or portable games console...

... it is not.

 

[TehCookie]

Tried googling and it didn't work out, I just hate having to reinstall windows because of all the tinkering I have to do to get my computer to work the way I want it to. I'm not an expert so it takes time to googling how to get the quicklaunch bar back or have my startbar have the words on it instead of a square with an picture (I miss the classic windows). Though I probably will just have to suck up and do it. However for every reasonable person like you there is a person like this:

Wow. Just wow.

I literally offered to help you and go step by step to resolve whatever major issue you had at this time and you call me unreasonable.

Still willing to help you.

Quick launch:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/888-quick-launch-enable-disable.html

Classic start button:

Right click empty space on desktop>> personalize>> Classic theme.

Sorry, you didn't sound like you were trying to help especially with the lawl and the jab at consoles. You sounded like a PC elitist that goes "it's not hard for me/it never happened to me so I don't see the problem".

Thanks for the current advice though, my computer had so much wrong with it I think the only way to fix it would be a fresh start.

 

[Treblaine]

If computers are so easy please tell me how to stop an svchost.exe memory leak that eating up all my ram

If consoles are so easy, tell me how to fix a Red Ring of Death? Don't just tell me it CAN be fixed, tell me how.

Now.

See how unreasonable you are being? People tolerated a very high rate of TOTAL FAILURE of Xbox 360 consoles, not to mention the not-insignificant prevalence of yellow-light-of-death for PS3 consoles.

And as someone who works in a computer repair shop, your problem is very rare and I think you are withholding important details.

 

[Lunar Templar]

WiiU is so much more expensive than PS3/360, if it's the same price as the Next Xbox or PS4 which is more powerful... then what's the point?

given the the 720 or what ever equally retarded name Microsoft gives it, doesn't seen to be a gaming platform persay, in fact it doesn't seem to want the demographic that made it 'important' around at all.


This is really between Sony and Nintendo now, and the 'point' will be who has the exclusives that appeal to your tastes as a game, as it always has. Sides, you seem to be forgetting that Nintendo can and does squeeze some stunning visuals out of their 'underpowered systems'

 

[Treblaine]

Its like you read my post, but didnt manage to take anything away from it, as you were already on the defensive.

Read it again. My entire point is "People will generally have a PC -AND- then choose one console.

So following that line of thought, the PC doesnt need to be considered when talking about 'Which one will you buy?' because its already a forgone conclusion that you will buy/have a PC -AS WELL- as the console selected. Jeez.

Or to put it another way, if you dont like me assuming people will get a pc in this day:
The PC has so many unique properties over the consoles, that it isnt considered because its a different type of product, and will be assessed seperately as fitting such.

I mean hell, if you read between the lines, Im basically saying the PC has such a lead over the consoles, that its in its own category.

You were so ready to defend your stance on the PC, that you missed I wasnt attacking the PC as a platform, simply offering a different point of view. That the PC isnt being victimised, but is in fact, assumed to be superior.

Also I will stick to my guns that regardless of the validity (or lack of) in Xeno's post, his tone was aggressive and begging people to be put off side. And its not even that valid really. Different markets, different tastes. I have a decent gaming computer AND a console. They cater to different ends of my gaming habits.

My entire point is "People will generally have a PC -AND- then choose one console.

You must see how that wouldn't have been very clear.

This is more than "which one to buy" it's "which one to sink all my money and time into" as that's the way it goes, when a console is bought the prevailing attitude is to use it. It's why we have console wars and corporate fanboyism and trade shows that hang on the marketing line of major corporations.

that it isnt considered because its a different type of product

Obviously not true as the same TYPE of games, even the VERY SAME GAMES are on both Consoles and PC.

It's not a different type of product, both are used to play games. Any differences between them are not enough to exclude them from relevancy.

That the PC isnt being victimised, but is in fact, assumed to be superior.

Which is a problem if it is used as any sort of reason to exclude PC from consideration. This is the classic "PC Elitist".

Different markets, different tastes.

Ridiculous. It's as bad to say PC is a different market as to say PS3 is a different market from Xbox 360 as an Xbox 360 fanboy may say to refuse to EVER consider PS3 for gaming. Tastes aren't significantly different to say a console gamer wouldn't like PC gaming.

I only have a console for the games that are arbitrarily exclusive to console because the publisher needs a system seller and the publisher is the console manufacturer, Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. There is no reason you can't play Last of Us on PC other than Sony forbids it.

If ever game was released on both console and PC, I wouldn't own a console. If a game needed a gamepad, I'd use a gamepad on my PC.

 

[Treblaine]

WiiU is so much more expensive than PS3/360, if it's the same price as the Next Xbox or PS4 which is more powerful... then what's the point?

given the the 720 or what ever equally retarded name Microsoft gives it, doesn't seem to be a gaming platform persay, in fact it doesn't seem to want the demographic that made it 'important' around at all.


This is really between Sony and Nintendo now, and the 'point' will be who has the exclusives that appeal to your tastes as a game, as it always has. Sides, you seem to be forgetting that Nintendo can and does squeeze some stunning visuals out of their 'underpowered systems'

Hmm, I don't know where you are going with the first line...

It starts with "given that..." and then aspects of Next Xbox... you don't state anything after that.

This is really between Sony and Nintendo now

This obsession with the Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft triad, as if this could only ever be a three horse race, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

What about android and the android consoles like Ouya, Nvidia Shield and Gamestick? What about Steam box, Piston and especially with Linux?

Ahh, I get it (looks at banners on left and right) they have huge marketing departments, they are able to buy their own dedicated keynote for major trade shows. Where is the million dollar budget keynote? Sony get Gabe Newell to come on and get him to apologise for saying what everyone else thought about PS3's obtuse architecture.

I get it.

It isn't about who is better, it's about who fritters away the most money on saturation advertising.

 

[thiosk]

There is a reason I buy nintendo consoles:

being a PC gamer I need a console to do something that Steam cannot. The only item I have found is the motion controls of the wii, for party games and the like. Also, metroid. Sony and microsoft seem to scrabble for a market that I abandoned years ago. The only game I feel I missed because of PC gaming is red dead redemption, and I still can't get a copy of shadow of the collosus. Other than that, I'm missing nothing by being on PC and nintendo.

I'll pick up a WiiU eventually. I hoped it would be for the Aliens game, but i'll wait for zelda or metroid.

 

[Lunar Templar]

this sums up my reaction to reading your reply.

I could explain what I ment, but I assumed you would be capable of that on your own, and since I have literally no intention of 'using smaller words so you'll understand' I'm going to go do something else now, something that likely involves stabbings.

 

[TehCookie]

If computers are so easy please tell me how to stop an svchost.exe memory leak that eating up all my ram

If consoles are so easy, tell me how to fix a Red Ring of Death? Don't just tell me it CAN be fixed, tell me how.

Now.

See how unreasonable you are being? People tolerated a very high rate of TOTAL FAILURE of Xbox 360 consoles, not to mention the not-insignificant prevalence of yellow-light-of-death for PS3 consoles.

And as someone who works in a computer repair shop, your problem is very rare and I think you are withholding important details.

Isn't the red ring/yellow light a hardware failure? Then you buy a new one. Same thing if your computer bursts into flames, you don't fix it you buy a new one (wasn't me, it was my brother but I think bad luck runs in the family). I never said consoles don't fail, both PC and consoles fail, I said consoles are simpler. Instead of figuring out what part is broken and replacing it you replace the whole thing, and their cheap enough to do that with compared to computers. I haven't heard of any software failures that make consoles able to play some games but not others.

As for my PC issues there is a giant clusterfuck of a story behind how that happened (and other weird things), I'm just going wipe everything and start fresh. If you're wondering it was the effect of my trying to fix my missing Windows Update service (which I did get working).

 

[Treblaine]

snip (I am going to respond to both of your messages to me in this one shot)

I don't believe consoles are the only option but this SPECIFIC thread was about what you think about the games and practices of the consoles. People who walk in and say they prefer PC gaming are fine; people who walk in and question the sanity/intelligence of people who buy consoles are being jackasses. To come into this thread and basically state "PC or GTFO" is a jackass thing to do.

The second part of my post was to demonstrate that PC gaming IS different. There are technical issues you run into with PC gaming that you just plain don't have to worry about with console gaming. "But Tippy2k2", I hear you already yelling, "PC Gaming doesn't take a lot of knowledge to know how to fix that stuff!". You're right, it doesn't...IF you know what you're doing. The same way someone who knows how to change the oil on their car says it's easy to do; someone that doesn't know how and has no desire to figure that stuff out is going to want a console. PC gaming can be a lot of work but you just don't realize it because you already have the base knowledge to create a foundation. I actually agree that if you're HUGE into gaming, a PC is probably the better choice for you but not everyone wants to do the work to do it (I personally am in the process of learning).

Lastly, yes, you are correct that the exclusive list is getting smaller and there is WAAAAAAAY more exclusives for the PC than there is for the 360/PS3 but that's not the point. The point is if I want to play The Last of Us (something I would punch a baby to get the chance to play right now), I NEED a PS3 to do it. It doesn't matter if there are twenty games for the PC that are exclusive to this one; I want to play The Last of Us.

people who walk in and question the sanity/intelligence of people who buy consoles are being jackasses.

But what if it's not a matter of personal preference, what if it is down to actual qualitative rational reasoning. Then they are entitled to such a statement.

People are fed up of having to dance around the sensitive ego of console purists who are so hypersensitive to any kind of unequivocal statement to PC being a better deal for you, the gamer.

And this nonsense on PC technical difficulties. It's as bad as PS3 fanboys going on about RROD to dismiss Xbox 360.

Why would you even raise the spectre of ever needing something to fix?!? Look Xbox 360 is totally accepted with it's many hardware and software problems, but it's just accepted that when problems do come up, they would get fixed by professionals. All these excuses to exclude PC for having the same problems - to a lesser extent - than the likes of Xbox 360 and PS3.

PC gaming can be a lot of work

Usually it is far less work than consoles. You don't seem to want to know.

I mean you are using a computer... RIGHT NOW! Using your computer for gaming isn't going to cause any more problems.

The point is if I want to play The Last of Us

Ditto. But I'm not going to buy ALL my games in 2013 for PS3 just because I get 1 or 2 exclusive PS3 games in 2013. It's Last of Us and GOW: Ascension... and that's it for 2013. These games aren't going to be huge time sinks, I could borrow someone's PS3 to get my fill of that and I have lent my PS3 to friends who were interested in playing uncharted, I lent them the games as well.

And after 2012, what did I have to get for PS3 in 2012???? Starhawk? Twisted Metal? I guess they weren't that bad but they weren't that good either, definitely not worth costing so much compared to the price of PC games.

You know what IS dumb - now I'm not sure if you can handle this - is to consider one or two exclusives per year (each giving at MOST 15 hours of gameplay) as a reason to buy any more games for a console over getting them for PC.

This year I'm going to rent Last of Us, because I know Naughty Dog games, I've played every one, as great as they are they don't have replay value and they aren't exactly 36 hour long epics. And if it is a keeper, then I will buy it. But I have no reason to buy it or hold any commitment to any other PS3 games for 1 or 2 exclusives.

 

[Treblaine]

Isn't the red ring/yellow light a hardware failure? Then you buy a new one. Same thing if your computer bursts into flames, you don't fix it you buy a new one (wasn't me, it was my brother but I think bad luck runs in the family). I never said consoles don't fail, both PC and consoles fail, I said consoles are simpler. Instead of figuring out what part is broken and replacing it you replace the whole thing, and their cheap enough to do that with compared to computers. I haven't heard of any software failures that make consoles able to play some games but not others.

As for my PC issues there is a giant clusterfuck of a story behind how that happened (and other weird things), I'm just going wipe everything and start fresh. If you're wondering it was the effect of my trying to fix my missing Windows Update service (which I did get working).

Buy a whole new console? If a computer has a hardware failure, that's one component that costs as little as a new console game that would probably either benefit from an upgrade or is still under manufacture warranty for a free replacement.

I said consoles are simpler.

Which is the problem, that makes them impossible or at least impractical to repair, PCs are easy to repair.

It's awful to say it's "simple" just to buy a whole new system.

I haven't heard of any software failures that make consoles able to play some games but not others.

I haven't heard of them for PC either. Viruses from downloading mysterious files from shady porn sites while not running a single UP TO DATE anti-virus client... that's just woefully dangerous. That and downloading a load of crapware.

I'm just going wipe everything and start fresh.

That should mean a fresh install of windows, not ditching the hardware. And there is no way you can screw up installing windows, it's almost entirely automatic.

And again, you are using Win 7 with adequate memory, anti-virus and everything updated? Right?

 

[tippy2k2]

But what if it's not a matter of personal preference, what if it is down to actual qualitative rational reasoning. Then they are entitled to such a statement.

I...I am absolutely baffled that you are either not getting what I'm saying or you are actively ignoring it (or maybe it's my fault. I thought post #81 did a pretty damn good job of explaining it but maybe I'm wrong and I'm the one who doesn't make any sense). I'm just...my brain hurts too much trying to comprehend it so I'm just out.

So yes, you are entitled to continue believing that console gamers are morons for playing on consoles. I will go play some Witcher 2 (on my 360! The scandal!) while you sit on your PC tower and smirk down upon the unwashed masses that are console gamers.

Have a pleasant day. I hope that you didn't choke on my console gamer stench during this conversation.

 

[Vault101]

after getting a new PC its going to take alot to convice me to bother with consoles again, especially since they seem to be losing what advantages they did have over PC

I'm actually a bit annoyed i'll have to drag out my PS3 to play last of us

 

[scorptatious]

Between Sony and Microsoft, I MIGHT still buy the new system from Sony, as they haven't really let me down before. Hell, most of my favorite games this gen have been from their console.

Of course, that's assuming they don't lock off used games. I don't like to support business practices that involve stuff like that.

Microsoft, I'm not so sure about. I don't really like the direction they're going with stuff like the Kinect and the fact that they have a bunch of these non-gaming ads all over my dashboard. Chances are, I'll probably give them a pass.

I might actually just save up for stuff required for a gaming PC as well. My laptop is only good for playing older games like Fallout 1 and 2. Or games that don't have high end graphics like Plants Vs. Zombies.

 

[gorfias]

From what I'm reading from j-e-f-f-e-r-s, I am very surprised. It does sound like Wii was far more successful than I thought. Interesting market implications in that.

As for competition for the big 3:

Ouya had me curious initially, but subsequent developments have made me very sceptical. Firstly, they're talking about emulating the phone market, and making annual iterations of the console. That, right there, is a phenomenal way to splinter your customer-base, and make things infinitely more difficult for developers. Phones get away with annual iterations by virtue of being somewhat necessary items with hundreds upon hundreds of millions of users around the world. Consoles are supposed to be standardised. That's their one undeniable strong point. The minute you start treating annually upgrading consoles, you've essentially pissed away the one strength you have.

Also, for what it is, the Ouya seems to have really badly thought out design. It's a console designed around downloads, but only has 8GB of memory. For a download console, that's terrible. The Wii U basic has 8GB, but it's saving throw is that you can go out and buy games at retail. For a console specialising in downloads to have such a piddly amount seems like a ludicrous oversight. Secondly, it's using Tegra-3 technology, right as Tegra-4 is coming to the market. Again, I know they're not trying to compete with the AAA boys, but that seems pretty half-arsed of them. As impressive as it is, Tegra-4 is hardly a high end Radeon GPU. They could have negotiated to get one of those in their console, and give it much more lasting power as a result.

I think the idea of indie-friendly consoles is great. Even Nintendo are making overtures to indies with the eShop. Anything that stops games development from being so bloated and over-budgeted, I'm all for. I just think the Ouya is a terrible way to go about it.

They do need an SD option. Put interchageable 32 Gig cards in and the limitation ceases to matter. But they're not there yet.

I do have a transformer tf101 and in one year, they went to 201, 301 and 701. What this ended up meaning to me was that game like Shadowgun came in 2 flavors: weaker (for me) and higher quality (for 701). That reality may cause people to be constantly waiting for what comes next (as in, as you point out, Ouya has T3 while T4 on the cusp, 6x more powerful).

What may keep them relevant: my tf101 still plays an OK looking version of Shadow gun, even if the 701 looks better.

after getting a new PC its going to take alot to convice me to bother with consoles again, especially since they seem to be losing what advantages they did have over PC

I'm actually a bit annoyed i'll have to drag out my PS3 to play last of us

What excites me is that we've read at the escapist that they dumb down games to make sure they play on console. If consoles are more powerful, they'll let PC games be more powerful still!

Only thing to bum me out on that: my HD7970 seems to have met its match with Far Cry 3. I can do Ultra, but not with all settings maxed. If they really ramp things up, I'll need another video card. I likely can't afford it at this time.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

The Wii U's power issues won't be a problem. People go on and on about how (supposedly) the next-gens will trounce it, but considering that current developers barely did ANYTHING with the current gens beyond making games prettier I'm not exactly thinking we're going to see anything groundbreaking. Nintendo's games will push unique art direction to look good and we've already seen that consumers obviously don't care that much about graphics what with how enormously well stuff like NSMBWii, Mario Kart Wii, Smash Bros. etc sold and how the DS stomped the PSP along with the 3DS beating the Vita in Round 2.

Onto the rumored anti-used games stuff going on with Sony and MS, if that happened...I expect some serious consumer REVOLT at that. Why punish consumers because YOU let your development and marketing budgets spiral wildly at of control? I don't think it would happen (the used games DRM), but if it did I can't see people standing for it. It would be like the movie industry making it so you couldn't play used DVDs or Blu-Ray Discs on players. I would seriously hesitate to buy a PS4 or a NextBox if they did that.