The Noob Conundrum

[Siuki]

Pardon me but I can't tell if you're trying to disprove my quote. It's a bit unclear what you're trying to say. I must say, however, that in most circumstances that you can use the needler as a starting weapon you will be faced against multiple spartans all of which have pistols which they can use to take you down past the needler's range. Also I always felt that the needle rifle was equal to the DMR. The DMR at least feels like it takes down shields faster and will likely kill with the three shots that a needle rifle would require to cause detonation.

Need to correct this a bit with some actual stats.

The Needle Rifle takes 6-7 shots to remove shields. Can hit the target anywhere. I'm not sure exactly which it is. 3 more shots for a supercombine, or 1 headshot will then kill the target. The scope has a 2x zoom (I think).

The DMR will remove shields with only 4 shots, and can also hit the target anywhere. Then a single headshot will kill the target. I never had the chance to find out how many body-shots are required after shield-removal for the DMR. The scope has a 3x zoom.

So, in this regard, I'd argue that the DMR is clearly the more powerful weapon, but on the other hand, it takes more skill to use. A sort of risk/reward factor. The Needle Rifle can also be used more effectively at close range than the DMR can.

Of course we all know that the magnum is the best close-range weapon in Reach.

Sounds like solid research to me(Can't check anymore anyways ). I always thought the DMR was the more powerful. Another thing, is any one else loving the loss of accuracy even while zoomed in? I hate how putting a gun up to your face in MW2 makes the weapon magically accurate and with perfect aim as you continue firing, with the slight recoil that can be eased with skilled control of the crosshairs.

 

[Siuki]

while one nade isn't particularly powerful, 7 thrown into a room with just little old you in it is somewhat annoying... its not the power of nades that bothers me its how plentiful they are

Haha, I've been there. It sucks.

I think Bungie is toning down the availability of the grenades in the full version of Reach, so maybe that'll fix the problem we both have with grenade spam.

Because I totally missed this comment earlier:

The plasma launcher is self explanatory, it SHOOTS PLASMA GRENADES. YES THE ONES THAT STICK TO YOU AND EXPLODE SECONDS LATER. You can also shoot four of them simultaneously.

That is why it is one of the best power weapons ever, and a good Covenant answer to both the Spartan Laser and Rocket Launcher.

But the Plasma Launcher is absolute crap on vehicles, which balances it out. I can take 4 plasms to the hood of my warthog and live to tell the tale. Same with the Scorpion.

Edit: Apologies for the double post, if said posting is still frowned upon.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

I think the original Halo had awesome weapon balance. There wasn't a single Noob weapon there. I mean, the Needler was a little underpowered, but the AR was boosted for MP so it was actually a good weapon, and you always started with a strong gun. Part of the advantage of a game with so few but well-balanced weapons.

 

[Georgie_Leech]

I make it a point to shoot anyone who says "NOOB" to me. Dang it, I'm going to try to make it so that anyone who says that dies soon afterwards. Who's with me? Maybe we can end that accurssed word once and for all.

 

[Siuki]

I think the original Halo had awesome weapon balance. There wasn't a single Noob weapon there. I mean, the Needler was a little underpowered, but the AR was boosted for MP so it was actually a good weapon, and you always started with a strong gun. Part of the advantage of a game with so few but well-balanced weapons.

Kept the game simple. Now in new games you have these "perks" which bump you up in a certain part of gameplay and an armory's worth of weapons that will sadly spread the Call of Duty effect. Just because I didn't know 90% of the weapons in MW2 and do now means I should act like a master of guns, which I am not.

 

[Miles Tormani]

Sounds like solid research to me(Can't check anymore anyways ). I always thought the DMR was the more powerful. Another thing, is any one else loving the loss of accuracy even while zoomed in? I hate how putting a gun up to your face in MW2 makes the weapon magically accurate and with perfect aim as you continue firing, with the slight recoil that can be eased with skilled control of the crosshairs.

My research came straight from Bungie's website, so I'm fairly confident that it's accurate.

You mean the reticle bloom/recoil system? I love it. I especially love how crouching causes the weapon to stabilize faster, like how it would realistically. Of course, all the Skill 50 MLG tryhards are complaining to no end because they think it's become "random" and takes no "real" skill and blah blah. They really can't talk about skill. There's more to skill than strafing back and forth with a BR, training the gun in the general direction of someone's head, and spamming the trigger to no end.

But the Plasma Launcher is absolute crap on vehicles, which balances it out. I can take 4 plasms to the hood of my warthog and live to tell the tale. Same with the Scorpion.

Yet a few clips of AR fire can blow the Scorpion up. I'm pretty sure they just need to tweak the vehicles entirely in Reach.

 

[Demongeneral109]

I think the original Halo had awesome weapon balance. There wasn't a single Noob weapon there. I mean, the Needler was a little underpowered, but the AR was boosted for MP so it was actually a good weapon, and you always started with a strong gun. Part of the advantage of a game with so few but well-balanced weapons.

this might be campaign specific, but the pistol was overpowered to the extreme. also, the plasma launcher reminded me of the Halo 2 Rocket Launcher, and most of the specials were pretty poorly balanced in the Beta. The focus Laser was the end-all gun. When I used it i literaly never died unless I was out of Ammo nyoro~.

 

[Siuki]

Sounds like solid research to me(Can't check anymore anyways ). I always thought the DMR was the more powerful. Another thing, is any one else loving the loss of accuracy even while zoomed in? I hate how putting a gun up to your face in MW2 makes the weapon magically accurate and with perfect aim as you continue firing, with the slight recoil that can be eased with skilled control of the crosshairs.

You mean the reticle bloom/recoil system? I love it. I especially love how crouching causes the weapon to stabilize faster, like how it would realistically. Of course, all the Skill 50 MLG tryhards are complaining to no end because they think it's become "random" and takes no "real" skill and blah blah. They really can't talk about skill. There's more to skill than strafing back and forth with a BR, training the gun in the general direction of someone's head, and spamming the trigger to no end.

But the Plasma Launcher is absolute crap on vehicles, which balances it out. I can take 4 plasms to the hood of my warthog and live to tell the tale. Same with the Scorpion.

Yet a few clips of AR fire can blow the Scorpion up. I'm pretty sure they just need to tweak the vehicles entirely in Reach.

The recoil really fixes no-scoping. It got a lot harder to spam Sniper Rifle shots.

Damn Banshees in Invasion Slayer. They're game winners or game losers if you let the enemies get hold of both. They are extremely hard to kill. Did you notice the rocket lock-on in the rocket/jetpack mode? Awesome.

 

[MrDarkling]

There was a time when noob just meant you were new and not good at the game.
Nowadays the word noob is just thrown about because the person who is shouting it at the other is butthurt because he got killed by that other person.

Shotguns...cheap?
Because they're so effective at close range?
OH NO! D:
It's what they do and you have to live with it and shrug it off.
In the end it's all about the situation and who has the upperhand:

Sniper - In a house
Shotguneer - Far away

Sniper wins
(Shotgunner can call the sniper a noob for being camper and using a cheap 1 shot kill weapon)



Sniper - In a house
Shotguneer - In the house

Shotguneer wins
(Sniper can call the shotguneer a noob for such a cheap weapon)

I think you get the idea....

 

[Siuki]

I think the original Halo had awesome weapon balance. There wasn't a single Noob weapon there. I mean, the Needler was a little underpowered, but the AR was boosted for MP so it was actually a good weapon, and you always started with a strong gun. Part of the advantage of a game with so few but well-balanced weapons.

this might be campaign specific, but the pistol was overpowered to the extreme. also, the plasma launcher reminded me of the Halo 2 Rocket Launcher, and most of the specials were pretty poorly balanced in the Beta. The focus Laser was the end-all gun. When I used it i literaly never died unless I was out of Ammo nyoro~.

Aw really? When I used the focus rifle(once, everyone keeps taking it) it sucked. The trying it once thing made me biased against the gun. It looks like the Covenant weapons are all good then.

 

[Siuki]

There was a time when noob just meant you were new and not good at the game.
Nowadays the word noob is just thrown about because the person who is shouting it at the other is butthurt because he got killed by that other person.

Shotguns...cheap?
Because they're so effective at close range?
OH NO! D:
It's what they do and you have to live with it and shrug it off.
In the end it's all about the situation and who has the upperhand:

Sniper - In a house
Shotguneer - Far away

Sniper wins
(Shotgunner can call the sniper a noob for being camper and using a cheap 1 shot kill weapon)



Sniper - In a house
Shotguneer - In the house

Shotguneer wins
(Sniper can call the shotguneer a noob for such a cheap weapon)

I think you get the idea....

Exactly! Each cheap weapon is purely situational and is meant to be that way in real life. You use shotguns for breaching a room, not for mid-range firefights. Though maybe you can, I don't know.

Anyways, this has been a good conversation. I can't know everyone's standard time, but it's 11 in Saint Joseph's town and I'm going to sleep. I'll see the quotes and replies tomorrow.

 

[nick_knack]

For a long time now, I have been brooding on a gaming principle that seems to hold rather constant with almost all FPS games on the market today: That no matter what you do, you are a noob.

Please allow me to present an example to explain my position. Let's say you are playing... oh I don't know... Modern Warfare 2. You have just equipped yourself with a shiny new Model 1887 and picked off a few players from medium range. Suddenly, a teammate shoots you in the back for being a "Shotgun Noob." Okay, fair enough, shotguns can seem cheap in a game, especially when used in a camping situation. What do you do? Switch to your trusty M16 of course. Oh wait, once the game ends, someone in the post-game lobby calls you a noob for using the "cheap" M16. Fast forward a few games and a few lobbies. Suddenly, you realize that you can't use any weapon. Why? Because, no matter what you use, you are a noob for something. Suddenly, you realize that this is an FPS at its core, a bunch of people screaming noob at anything that isn't the weapon that they prefer.

So fellow escapists, ponder the following riddle for me. If every gun in an FPS is a noob gun and you play FPS titles, are you automatically a noob?

What? No, its not the FPS community, its the MW2 community. They are terrible.

 

[zehydra]

OP, I have been thinking about this for a long time now and it is EXTREMELY REFRESHING to see another person who seems to have discovered the same thing.

I wholeheartedly agree with OP and hope others also take what he has to say seriously.

 

[Mister Swift]

One of my favorite things to do is to dominate the whiners using the weapon THEY'RE using.

Shuts them up when I point this out to them.

 

[Choppaduel]

I just feel like, sometimes, a weapon CAN be for noobs (Like the grenade launcher when randomly fired across the map), however I feel like most weapons, when used correctly, aren't for noobs at all but actually require some skill to wield.

XD nade spam in Quake 3 FF4 (thats Freeze For 4ll)

 

[Lyri]

I only care if it really, really sucks.

Then again, it's people who take the "omg noob gunz" approach that keep the game fresh for you guys.
Otherwise (for example) call of duty 4 would have been nothing but p90 and noobtube fests.

 

[iLikeHippos]

If someone calls me a noob for baseless assumptions (that is, they are angry and just babble incoherent nonsense), I see myself in the position for three options.

1) Put them on ignore list and continue the game. < Favored option.

2) Shoot them "accidentally" from time to time or just outright kill them. < Happens rarely as I oftenly just want to play the God-damn game.

3) Trash-talking back calling THEM a noob, thus creating the "two parrots" effect as I like to call it. < Again, happens rarely. I must meet a point of boredom before I can consider it.

Other than that, I couldn't give a DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN what people say about which weapons I pick. They can go blow me.

 

[Pegghead]

When people call others noobs or incite noobiness it's only in compensation for their own faults.

 

[JPH330]

Look, the reason these people always call other people out for being "noobs" is because they can't deal with the fact that sometimes they aren't the best players in the room. Just ignore it and use whatever fucking weapon you want. If a weapon is OP, that's the game developers' fault, not yours.

EDIT: Well damn it, the above poster beat me to it. At least one other person probably has too. Whatever, my opinion is still valid or something.