The Noob Conundrum

[ClunkiestTurtle]

I think everyone gets a few cheap kills in a game but some people set out to get cheap kills the whole time to better their worthless stats and K/D ratio and it is usually when u do what these people are doing back to them ie switching your class to marathon,lightweight and commando with the tac knife or bringing out an RPG or duel shotguns and stopping power or riot shield and C4 or other tactics which make you virtually invincible and start killing them back that you get called a noob for the exact same thing they are doing. But this is the kinda of shit people are going to complain about and stop playing the game for when you force everyone to play ranked matches....

Its pretty much standard protocol to just mute everyone in that game anyway and that seems to partly solve the whole cretin community problem.

 

[Michael826]

I think anyone who calls you a noob for the OP's reason is themselves a 'noob'. If a weapon is programmed into a game, it is there to be used fairly. I don't care how 'cheap' you think it is, because i know that - in fact - you just suck.

 

[Kouen]

I tend not to pay mind to people calling me a noob since in the cases its where im kicking there asses like comes to mind the new AvP when they Multiplayer Demo was up, I was Purely using the assult Rifle as a marine and wiping the floor with the 3 others (1 other marine a predator and alien) I was being called a noob alot. in these cases it makes it clear the the people calling out noobs are the ones that are noobs themselves.

then theres the times where your new to a game and elitests call you a noob -.- this i also pay no mind too but i find more annoying. the elitests need to pull the head outta there arses for 5 mins and maybe realize there is a difference.

Noob = A Player that sucks but thinks he is the best at the said game, no matter how much advice is given they never change and can throw it back in your face

Newbie = A New Player Willing to learn and improve.

 

[Treblaine]

For a long time now, I have been brooding on a gaming principle that seems to hold rather constant with almost all FPS games on the market today: That no matter what you do, you are a noob.

Please allow me to present an example to explain my position. Let's say you are playing... oh I don't know... Modern Warfare 2. You have just equipped yourself with a shiny new Model 1887 and picked off a few players from medium range. Suddenly, a teammate shoots you in the back for being a "Shotgun Noob." Okay, fair enough, shotguns can seem cheap in a game, especially when used in a camping situation. What do you do? Switch to your trusty M16 of course. Oh wait, once the game ends, someone in the post-game lobby calls you a noob for using the "cheap" M16. Fast forward a few games and a few lobbies. Suddenly, you realize that you can't use any weapon. Why? Because, no matter what you use, you are a noob for something. Suddenly, you realize that this is an FPS at its core, a bunch of people screaming noob at anything that isn't the weapon that they prefer.

So fellow escapists, ponder the following riddle for me. If every gun in an FPS is a noob gun and you play FPS titles, are you automatically a noob?

Again, I must say this...

Pro tip: don't play Modern Warfare 2's online multiplayer (it's a douchebag magnet)

Expert tip: especially don't play it (or anything) on Xbox Live.

It's not the semantics that is the problem, it is the users. Just get the hell out of there and never look back, there is NEVER any excuse for deliberate team killing and the fact that you even HINT that it is acceptable to have done to you is a damning indictment against you, you have been broken. Get out while you still can.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Using the 1887s isn't noobish, it's resourceful. A noob would use a crappy gun because that don't know what ones are bad.

 

[Booze Zombie]

To my mind, a noob is someone who fights without skill or knowledge.

So, someone out manoeuvres me or shoot me in the head with one bullet they aimed just right, I can handle that.

If they kill me with a sub-machine gun which they just held down the fire button with and only 3 of the 30 bullets hit me (and kill me) or just randomly fire explosives hoping I'll walk into a place "they guess" is a hot spot, not so much.

That's not that I hate people who use rocket launchers, grenades, bombs or sub-machine guns, I hate people who use them and clearly don't really know what they're doing, they're just hoping to get lucky.

 

[The Giggling Pin]

My rule is, if you can do it without physically hacking or modding the game, then it's fair.
People seem to forget that while my noob-tube may be powerful, (i.e, 12-year-old speak=CHEAP) they can use one too.

You sir speak the truth in large amounts.

If its actually in the game no tactic or weapon is noobish. Its true that some things are more annoying than other but its nearly always fair, you just have to find a way to counter or just view it as your weakness.

Its kinda like a football match between a very heavily defensive side and a free flowing attacking side. The defensive side may win it with a entirely boring match and scrape it one-nil. It may not be the most exhillerating (sp?) or entertaining but it works and is effective and most certainly fair. Its the communities that like to slag people off to avoid brusing their delicate egos.

 

[Siuki]

Guys this is why Call of duty MW2 has a QUICK MUTE FEATURE.

Lets be honest, everyone on the internet is a D-Bag. Or at least 95% of them, when given a mic, tend to talk way to much.

Oh and Tac knifes and Danger close are noob weapons. I don't say it, but everyone knows that.

That's why I use them only when I'm sick and tired of campers and tubers. I don't find many knifers in my games, so I don't consider it that bad.

Isn't Stopping Power a noob perk too? Everyone uses it in their classes unless you knife(Lightweight), tube(Danger Close), or, the people I love, Ghosts(Cold-Blooded and Ninja, possibly with silenced weapons, keeps you off the map.) Hardline is a perk to play around with, or if you're going for a nuke.

 

[Siuki]

My rule is, if you can do it without physically hacking or modding the game, then it's fair.
People seem to forget that while my noob-tube may be powerful, (i.e, 12-year-old speak=CHEAP) they can use one too.

You sir speak the truth in large amounts.

If its actually in the game no tactic or weapon is noobish. Its true that some things are more annoying than other but its nearly always fair, you just have to find a way to counter or just view it as your weakness.

Its kinda like a football match between a very heavily defensive side and a free flowing attacking side. The defensive side may win it with a entirely boring match and scrape it one-nil. It may not be the most exhillerating (sp?) or entertaining but it works and is effective and most certainly fair. Its the communities that like to slag people off to avoid brusing their delicate egos.

Most developers playtest their games with a beta(see Halo: Reach, Team Fortress 2, etc.) to see what works, what doesn't, and what shouldn't. Unless Infinity Ward was completely sure the game was good to go and would make patches after the game released, they could and maybe should have had a beta before they found the massive flaws. Or maybe they meant it this way, I don't know. Lightweight doesn't fit in any class other than a knifer's.

 

[Ganthrinor]

The opinion of random people I shoot at in Online FPS games mens little or nothing to me. If some crybaby wants to call me a noob because I killed him, well... what's that make him?


Dead Man Crying.

 

[superbatranger]

Hey, if you're beating them, why should you care what they say or think? They're just bitching and moaning that they're losing to someone who is better than them.

 

[wkrepelin]

That's why I pretty much just stick to co-op.

 

[Demongeneral109]

I think the original Halo had awesome weapon balance. There wasn't a single Noob weapon there. I mean, the Needler was a little underpowered, but the AR was boosted for MP so it was actually a good weapon, and you always started with a strong gun. Part of the advantage of a game with so few but well-balanced weapons.

this might be campaign specific, but the pistol was overpowered to the extreme. also, the plasma launcher reminded me of the Halo 2 Rocket Launcher, and most of the specials were pretty poorly balanced in the Beta. The focus Laser was the end-all gun. When I used it i literaly never died unless I was out of Ammo nyoro~.

The Plasma Launcher wasn't in Halo: CE Xbox multiplayer. The PC version added crap the game didn't need. Dunno what the other stuff is you're on about. Doesn't apply to original Halo.

As for the Pistol, I thought that deserved its own section. While it is true the Pistol is the single most versatile gun in the original Halo, it is not the BEST. There's a difference. The Sniper Rifle was a much better sniping gun, the Rocket Launcher was better for taking on groups or killing tough enemies instantly. The Plasma Pistol and Plasma Rifle are both a lot better for taking down Elite shields and Elites by proxy (the Pistol SUCKS by itself against Elites). The Assault Rifle is better for Infection forms and in very close quarters. The Shotgun is better in every way than the Pistol except for range. Even the Needler takes out Elites easily and causes explosions.

The main advantage of the Pistol is its adaptability, which is why lots of players love it. But it's actually balanced pretty well in Campaign, and it's even weaker in the multiplayer where weapons like the Assault Rifle are bumped up. I'd rather have an AR than a Pistol in a Halo 1 multiplayer match, assuming I have enough cover to close the distance.

Sorry, I got a bit disjointed, I started talking about CE then moved on to reach without transition; my bad nyoro~! but the pistol was the ultimate campaign weapon, it killed hunters in one shot, and it could act as whatever it needed to be in the campaign. It acted as any type of weapon and had strong enough firepower to down an elite pretty quickly. I can't help but get the feeling that the ODST model was supposed to be the CE pistol, but someone swutched it without asking at the last second or somthing. Si-Fi pistols are always head-shop specific weapons, and usually suck in any other role. CE pistol...was not that.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Sorry, I got a bit disjointed, I started talking about CE then moved on to reach without transition; my bad nyoro~! but the pistol was the ultimate campaign weapon, it killed hunters in one shot, and it could act as whatever it needed to be in the campaign. It acted as any type of weapon and had strong enough firepower to down an elite pretty quickly. I can't help but get the feeling that the ODST model was supposed to be the CE pistol, but someone swutched it without asking at the last second or somthing. Si-Fi pistols are always head-shop specific weapons, and usually suck in any other role. CE pistol...was not that.

No prob. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that while you're absolutely right that Halo 1's Pistol was the ultimate campaign weapon (FOR THE FIRST FIVE LEVELS ONLY, AFTER THE SHOTTY SHOWS UP THE PISTOL IS CRAP), almost all FPS games have a weapon like that, that the player ends up using because of its versatility. Halo 2 had the Beam Rifle and Battle Rifle, which were adaptable enough to every situation to take on basically any combination of baddies. Half-Life 2 had the Shotgun, which is pretty much a must-use from the time you get it to the end of the game (barring some instances when you must use the rocket launcher or crossbow to take out an enemy). Even in Deus Ex 2, I ended up using the SMG far more than any other gun (although I used the Baton more than anything, I bet) because it worked at most ranges.

In summary, I think the Pistol is a LITTLE overpowered in the first five levels of Campaign. Once the Shotgun is available and the Flood show up, there's no reason to carry the Pistol. I mean, you'll always want to have the Shotgun in your arsenal if possible, and generally it's wise to keep that extra slot for rotation as you pick up rocket launchers, plasma pistols and needlers. Two bullet weapons at a time seems extravagant, unnecessary and not particularly effective. As mentioned, the Pistol sucks hard against Elites, so that would mean to take out Elites with a Shotty/Pistol combo in the late game, you'd need to rush into shotty range (hard/impossible if there are more than 2 Elites, or a group of lesser baddies), get lucky/good with grenades (if you have them) or unload all your ammo at mid range and hope he can't get behind cover or take down your health first.

Halo 1 still has some of the most perfectly balanced multiplayer, in my opinion. The motion tracker > typical FPS radar in every possible way, since it brings in an element of strategy. Even the worst weapon, the Needler, is useful to discourage camping and tell you where your opponent is if you can't see him and he's not moving. Also, no real power weapons. Since everything kills everyone quickly, no one weapon is all that much better at doing the job. Rockets can theoretically get easy kills, but they're slow to fire, hit and reload. And no lock on.

But yeah, can't really disagree with you about the Pistol too much. I think people exaggerate the degree to which the Pistol is OP, but it's certainly very good in campaign.

 

[Demongeneral109]

Sorry, I got a bit disjointed, I started talking about CE then moved on to reach without transition; my bad nyoro~! but the pistol was the ultimate campaign weapon, it killed hunters in one shot, and it could act as whatever it needed to be in the campaign. It acted as any type of weapon and had strong enough firepower to down an elite pretty quickly. I can't help but get the feeling that the ODST model was supposed to be the CE pistol, but someone swutched it without asking at the last second or somthing. Si-Fi pistols are always head-shop specific weapons, and usually suck in any other role. CE pistol...was not that.

No prob. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that while you're absolutely right that Halo 1's Pistol was the ultimate campaign weapon (FOR THE FIRST FIVE LEVELS ONLY, AFTER THE SHOTTY SHOWS UP THE PISTOL IS CRAP), almost all FPS games have a weapon like that, that the player ends up using because of its versatility. Halo 2 had the Beam Rifle and Battle Rifle, which were adaptable enough to every situation to take on basically any combination of baddies. Half-Life 2 had the Shotgun, which is pretty much a must-use from the time you get it to the end of the game (barring some instances when you must use the rocket launcher or crossbow to take out an enemy). Even in Deus Ex 2, I ended up using the SMG far more than any other gun (although I used the Baton more than anything, I bet) because it worked at most ranges.

In summary, I think the Pistol is a LITTLE overpowered in the first five levels of Campaign. Once the Shotgun is available and the Flood show up, there's no reason to carry the Pistol. I mean, you'll always want to have the Shotgun in your arsenal if possible, and generally it's wise to keep that extra slot for rotation as you pick up rocket launchers, plasma pistols and needlers. Two bullet weapons at a time seems extravagant, unnecessary and not particularly effective. As mentioned, the Pistol sucks hard against Elites, so that would mean to take out Elites with a Shotty/Pistol combo in the late game, you'd need to rush into shotty range (hard/impossible if there are more than 2 Elites, or a group of lesser baddies), get lucky/good with grenades (if you have them) or unload all your ammo at mid range and hope he can't get behind cover or take down your health first.

Halo 1 still has some of the most perfectly balanced multiplayer, in my opinion. The motion tracker > typical FPS radar in every possible way, since it brings in an element of strategy. Even the worst weapon, the Needler, is useful to discourage camping and tell you where your opponent is if you can't see him and he's not moving. Also, no real power weapons. Since everything kills everyone quickly, no one weapon is all that much better at doing the job. Rockets can theoretically get easy kills, but they're slow to fire, hit and reload. And no lock on.

But yeah, can't really disagree with you about the Pistol too much. I think people exaggerate the degree to which the Pistol is OP, but it's certainly very good in campaign.

I disagree with the flood thing, in two-betrayls, the pistol is the anti-flood long-range weapon since the sniper rife doen't work on them. I made it through legenday with the pistol/shotty combo, mostly thanks to grenades(even if your bad ath them they served as a distraction) seriously, the pistol was overpowered in that game nyoro~. Even in multiplayer if the other guy was taken by suprise it was an automatic kill in my experience... it was a poor mans sniper-rife, but that didn't mean it didn't work.

 

[FightThePower]

[sub]The M16 is actually pretty cheap though...[/sub]

Anyway my philosophy is that you can't blame people for using what works. Why would you not? If there's something in the game that's overpowered and insanely easy to use well, that's the fault of the developers, not the players.

However I can't help but throw the word around sometimes.

 

[Jewrean]

To me, if it was put in the game to be used, then use it.

This.

Newb = Someone who is new at the game.
Noob =
1) Someone who is new at the game.
2) Someone who is annoying.
3) Someone who is doing something you don't agree with.
4) Someone who has an Epic Fail. An example of this would be causing your team to lose in a co-operative objective based game. Another example would be failing in a very embarassing way (see teabagging).

IMO=
Calling someone a noob is childish.
To address point #1, we were all new to a game at some point, even the person accusing someone of being a Noob.
By calling someone a Noob, you are being annoying to them. So that is being a hypocrite for #2.
#3 is easy. There is ALWAYS someone who has a weapon that trumps your own. In a rock-paper-scissors like game of Modern warfare, there is always a stratedgy or tactic that will tear you to pieces. Calling someone a Noob based on this arguement makes you look like a fool.
#4 is another easy one. We have all lost in a video game at some point. There is not ONE of you that can say you have won every single competitive match of any game you have ever played. It would just be plain lying. Even if your team was to blame, you are a part of that team.

In the end it's a very hypocritical thing to say because we have all fit those contextual specifications at some point or another.

When anyone calls me a Noob I like to assume they mean this (Noob Saibot from Mortal Kombat):

Definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Noob&defid=2568674