The number of the beast?

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Do we honestly need an ancient book full of symbolism to tell us that killing is bad? Hell no...

Like the Art of War by Sun Tzu? Well...yes.

Religion is just a set of beliefs at the end of the day. You can have Christian fanbois as much as SSBB.

But you can also have decent, down to earth people who happen to believe in God. No real problem there.

Religion isn't a scapegoat for war. If your leader believes in one diety, and declares war on another race because their beliefs are different, then religion IS to share some of the blame. It doesn't mean that religion is the whole of the problem, but it isn't just some blameless entity caught up in a political fight.

Gotta disagree on that one Khell, most of the wars fought over Religious beliefs have the same God, just in a different form. And Religion is usually just the excuse or Propeganda. Don't tar religion with the same brush just because a lot of idiots call out "I've seen the light."

If it wasn't religion, it'd be money or oil or Nintendo or some such. I'm pretty sure God's pissed at all the people causing wars in his name as well.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Gotta disagree on that one Khell, most of the wars fought over Religious beliefs have the same God, just in a different form. And Religion is usually just the excuse or Propeganda. Don't tar religion with the same brush just because a lot of idiots call out "I've seen the light."

yeah i gotta agree with you there, religion is the cause of many wars

as a comic said you'll never hear about irish agnostics and irish atheists fighting, tho if you did the fight would go something like this

"take that you bloody non-believer"
"ack take that you indecisive bastad"

 

[FranicalFrazical]

I thought the number of the best is either 616 or 661... 616 is the more likely one

 

[tthor]

So do you think that the evil number of the beast is 666? Well you would be wrong if you said yes. In fact due to some minutes of interned scouring and bible reading(yeah I read the entire bible in minutes) I have made a discovery in fact it is 669! I'm not too sure how everyone got 666 must have been in the translations. Anyway what is your thoughts on my amazing discovery? Am I lying to you? No.

why 669?

i no 666 is considered evil because the number 6 is associated with incompleteness and evil,
...so i guess 666666 might be a better number for the symbol of evil

(7 symbolizes completeness and perfection)


also, in response to some other posts, i dont believe its religion thats the problem, but merely when ppl use religion to justify stuff like murder.

 

[PurpleRain]

It's 42!

 

[Knight Templar]

pi

I was looking through these thinking "all right now everybody is getting all serious about it I am going to just be random and say: My fav number is 108! "

Damm you Anarchemitis, damm you Purple.
Oh and for anybody who cares 108 is my favourite number because it pops up in intersting places all the time, like a helpful 23.

 

[The Potato Lord]

Re: Religious Wars

If a nation leader starts a war for religious reasons or beliefs, religion must take some of the blame.

If a nation leader starts a war for entirely political reasons, but uses religion as a scapegoat, the people OF said nation are committing to this war because they believe X nation goes against their beliefs and they must defend them. While the cause of the war may be a lie, the people back it because of their faith and so scapegoat or not, religion again must take some blame.

Finally, if a nation leader starts a war for entirely political reasons, and lets the people KNOW it's for political reasons, and religion is never brought up, then and ONLY then is religion not to be blamed. But keep in mind, if the leader of said nation starts mentioning God or his faith, it falls back to the second case.

Alrighty.. So say a scientist come up with a formula to create gold out of common objects in xcountry, and over in another country; country Y another scientist uses a formula to create gold that doesn't work according to the first scientists formula. the formula for gold is to blame? No it isn't because it's mis interpretations or mis interpretations for that matter of the gold formula that led to the fighting not the formula itself.

The concept can be applied to any non-violent religion thus meaning the war was not started by beliefs but by a corrupted leader.(if the religion is violent however than it is obliously wrong due to the fact fighting never truly resolves anything).

 

[Juzari]

as a comic said you'll never hear about irish agnostics and irish atheists fighting, tho if you did the fight would go something like this

"take that you bloody non-believer"
"ack take that you indecisive bastad"

now that is theater, or at least good comic material

 

[Burld]

or ask them if they think the bible should be followed word for word, if they say yes, and they have a daughter, ask them how much he wants for his daughter cause you want to buy her. yes selling your daughter into slavery is ok according to the bible

Don't know if you've actually seen it, but that episode of the West Wing is excellent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xWqgD7lGneU
Bartlet is so badass.

 

[Burld]

Re: Religious Wars
If a nation leader starts a war for religious reasons or beliefs, religion must take some of the blame.
If a nation leader starts a war for entirely political reasons, but uses religion as a scapegoat, the people OF said nation are committing to this war because they believe X nation goes against their beliefs and they must defend them. While the cause of the war may be a lie, the people back it because of their faith and so scapegoat or not, religion again must take some blame.
Finally, if a nation leader starts a war for entirely political reasons, and lets the people KNOW it's for political reasons, and religion is never brought up, then and ONLY then is religion not to be blamed. But keep in mind, if the leader of said nation starts mentioning God or his faith, it falls back to the second case.

That's fair enough; to some extent you can 'blame' religion, or at least people's belief or gullibility in their leader and religion. But this can't be used as an argument as to why religion is bad. People blame GTA for killings all the time, but that does not make it a bad game.

 

[Sefret]

Wasn't this forum about "The number of the beast"? How did it turn into a forum about religions?
Anyway, I guess I'll go with the number being 616 cause, isn't it 6+1+6=13? So... I'll just assume that you got my point. Peace!

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Don't know if you've actually seen it, but that episode of the West Wing is excellent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xWqgD7lGneU
Bartlet is so badass.

that's is awesome, and yes there is a LOT in the bible that ppl miss or choose to disregard or not question why they do it

the can't eat shell fish and milk thing is because before pasturization there was bacteria in both milk and shell fish that were benign on their own but mixed deadly, today we pasturize milk so those bacteria are killed off

the quote they use to say male-male sex is bad, actually says ANY form for anal sex is bad, so those girls that only have anal so they stay virgins are deadly sinners too. this is because small tears can form in the lining of the sphincter due to a distinct lack of lubrication and can be easily infected by things such as sand. anyone living in a desert region will tell you sand gets EVERYWHERE and in everything

most of those rules were made so you can survive in a desert environment and also because we didn't have the advanced knowledge we do today.

now that is theater, or at least good comic material

it was a comic, i think he was irish but i won't hold it against him

 

[Saskwach]

or ask them if they think the bible should be followed word for word, if they say yes, and they have a daughter, ask them how much he wants for his daughter cause you want to buy her. yes selling your daughter into slavery is ok according to the bible

Don't know if you've actually seen it, but that episode of the West Wing is excellent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xWqgD7lGneU
Bartlet is so badass.

Oh yes he is. That west wing scene is amongst my favourites.
"One last thing. While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the ignorant tight-ass club, in this building when the President stands, nobody sits."

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Wasn't this forum about "The number of the beast"? How did it turn into a forum about religions?
Anyway, I guess I'll go with the number being 616 cause, isn't it 6+1+6=13? So... I'll just assume that you got my point. Peace!

ummm how can a topic about a religious subject, not be about religion?

and the 13 thing being bad luck, has roots in friday oct 13 1307 or better known as the day the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon aka the Knights Templar were arrested

the things about the book of revelation is it's written in language we don't understand and as most ppl have said it's most likely about nero

it's much like nostrodamus, his writings are so twisted around by ppl it's not even funny. one "expert" has a whole bs reason on how osama is the third antichrist and frankly for most of them. but me teeing off on psychics and their scams is a whole other topic

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

now that is theater, or at least good comic material

it was a comic, i think he was irish but i won't hold it against him

Sounds like Dara O'Brien's work.

 

[Uglycat]

funny story that happened to me in college:
prof was talking about religion and said "all religions carry the same msg, does anyone know what it is?"
i said "yes it's 'you practice vice you will be punished, practice virtue you will be rewarded' "
a girl turned around with a snarky face going "no christianity it's the golden rule, do unto other's as you'd have done unto you"
i retort with "yes i just said that, what do you think the golden rule means? if you treat someone bad you will be punished, if you treat them well you will be rewarded"

You're wrong, she's right. Christianity's golden rule has nothing to do with how you are rewarded for your behaviour.

You're confusing karma with the golden rule.

 

[Anarchemitis]

...like a helpful 23.

Oh God no! Aaaa! Get away Jim Carrey! (Rolls on floor, mumbling incoherently and drooling)

23... 23... 23... 23... 23... 23... 23... Rick Roll [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0]... 23...

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

...like a helpful 23.

Oh God no! Aaaa! Get away Jim Carrey! (Rolls on floor, mumbling incoherently and drooling)

23... 23... 23... 23... 23... 23... 23... Rick Roll [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0]... 23...

It's not quite so effective when you actually label it. Fnord.