The official Pokemon sound off thread

[GamemasterAnthony]

With Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 coming this Sunday here in the States and having just finished a list of Most Overrated Pokémon at this thread [http://z6.invisionfree.com/Fort_Ticonderoga/index.php?showtopic=1606] at another message board I frequent, I was kind of curious as to what a lot of you guys thought about the various critters that give the game series its name. You know...which are the best and which are the worst in terms of Pokémon, attacks, abilities, etc. Obviously, we all have our favorites, but I was kind of curious to see how loved/hated landscape was in terms of a group as widespread as our little family here at the Escapist.

So...here's your chance to sound off! What do you think are the best/worst in terms of Pokémon?

(Actually...you guys can also help me out here. I want to do a list of Most Underrated by type, but I have NO idea which hated Pokémon to use...so I could use a few suggestions in that area as well.)

CAPTCHA: walk free

Frankly, I'd rather walk hard...but that's just me.

 

[Andy Shandy]

I quite like Golurk. In part due to the fact that, even as a Ghost/Ground type, it learns Fly.

Spoiler: Which is a neat little segue into posting this Pokemon webcomic

But besides that I don't have any particular favourites. My brother does like Gardevoir however (not in the creepy way).

 

[aba1]

Honestly the whole line up for pokemon black and white bothered me they were all carbon clones of the original set with almost none managing to dodge being a clone or rip off of a original.

 

[Terminate421]

Scolipede is fucking awesome, I'll gladly use him again for White 2.

Load him out with this:

Swords Dance
Mega horn
Earthquake
Aqua tail

Jolly Natured with life orb and your ready to kick some ass competitively, otherwise, for campaign, just use something like leftovers.

Empoleon is even cooler, though I cannot use him until after I beat White 2, heres what I go for:

Yawn
Scald
Grass Knot
Ice Beam

Calm with Leftovers and make him practically invincible to special attacks.

 

[Fishyash]

I decided to read your thread and then I noticed you said that this BAMF

Is the worst steel type?

Spoiler: Lemme lay down some important wisdom on you.

Forretress has one(!!!) weakness, has the defense to back up that amazing typing.

Also, you were saying he lacks a good attacking move? Well, you mustn't have taken account of his fantastically slow speed, which means he is a perfect candidate for gyro ball. That move hits fairly hard with a slow speed. Does anyone even use heavy slam? It doesn't even matter, if you want an offensive steel type, you'd pick durant.

Also, maybe I missed something, but you left out bug types in your best/worst list?

But this thread isn't about why forretress is awesome, it's about good/bad pokemon.

To be honest, there are some "bad" pokemon that I like a lot. Particularly heracross being my favourite pokemon in general.

However, in a (failed) attempt to apreciate bad pokemon more, I attempted a playthrough which I reached the elite four (before being bored because I had to grind, which shouldn't happen) with a team of 6 terrible pokemon on Pokémon Sapphire.

Spoiler: sucky gen 3 pokemon

Chimeco
Nosepass
Spinda
Sableye (This is gen 3 which means no prankster, and it's ingame where messing with your opponent is pointless)
Luvdisc
Masquerain

Hmm... another thing about best/worst I guess I could say what I think overall the best and worst types are.

Best is Psychic: Although not overpowered like in Gen 1, they still have a track record of ridiculous special attack, and recently in gen V there is Psyshock. Holy crap that move is ridiculous.

Worst I would say is Ice: Basically, just teach a water or dragon pokemon ice moves. Ice pokemon have four weaknesses, and you don't need an ice type to learn ice moves (which are brilliant offensive-wise), so you can save the stress of all the weaknesses your pokemon will have, especially if it's half ice-type.

 

[Terminate421]

Worst I would say is Ice: Basically, just teach a water or dragon pokemon ice moves. Ice pokemon have four weaknesses, and you don't need an ice type to learn ice moves (which are brilliant offensive-wise), so you can save the stress of all the weaknesses your pokemon will have, especially if it's half ice-type.

I believe it was practically standard to give your water types and ice type move. it allows for coverage against Grass types along with additional Dragons and Flying types.

 

[GamemasterAnthony]

Also, maybe I missed something, but you left out bug types in your best/worst list?

Nope...it's in there. I listed best Bug type as Armaldo and worst as Parasect. Parasect prolly got missed due to it also being there as worst Grass type as well.

I definitely see what you say about Forretress, problem is the lack of variety with attack types it can use. If it had a better movepool, I probably would have rated it higher. Forretress seems to be a theme Pokémon, with its theme being a kamikaze Pokémon where a lot of its more powerful also hurt it.

Heh...could you imagine what would have happened if Forretress got Rock Head as an ability? One Double-Edge...GOOD BYE!

 

[Fishyash]

Also, maybe I missed something, but you left out bug types in your best/worst list?

I definitely see what you say about Forretress, problem is the lack of variety with attack types it can use. If it had a better movepool, I probably would have rated it higher. Forretress seems to be a theme Pokémon, with its theme being a kamikaze Pokémon where a lot of its more powerful also hurt it.

Heh...could you imagine what would have happened if Forretress got Rock Head as an ability? One Double-Edge...GOOD BYE!

Spoiler: explaining the movepool

It's not really meant to be used as a kamikaze. It's more of someone who goes in, takes a physical hit, puts in entry hazards on the opponent and/or rapid spins entry hazards put on him.

Its attack isn't exactly remarkable(as I said, Durant is a very strong bug/steel attacker, with a higher attack, the hustle ability and knowing strong moves like X-scissor and iron head), but it pales in comparison to its defense. It only really needs one move to do any damage, which isn't its purpose. Think of it almost like a physical version of blissey, with a focus on creating/removing entry hazards rather than healing/defending.

Also in regards to your suggestion of rockhead. I disagree, sturdy is a lot more useful for forretress, being a defensive pokemon.

 

[Fractral]

Also, maybe I missed something, but you left out bug types in your best/worst list?

I definitely see what you say about Forretress, problem is the lack of variety with attack types it can use. If it had a better movepool, I probably would have rated it higher. Forretress seems to be a theme Pokémon, with its theme being a kamikaze Pokémon where a lot of its more powerful also hurt it.

Heh...could you imagine what would have happened if Forretress got Rock Head as an ability? One Double-Edge...GOOD BYE!

Spoiler: explaining the movepool

It's not really meant to be used as a kamikaze. It's more of someone who goes in, takes a physical hit, puts in entry hazards on the opponent and/or rapid spins entry hazards put on him.

Its attack isn't exactly remarkable(as I said, Durant is a very strong bug/steel attacker, with a higher attack, the hustle ability and knowing strong moves like X-scissor and iron head), but it pales in comparison to its defense. It only really needs one move to do any damage, which isn't its purpose. Think of it almost like a physical version of blissey, with a focus on creating/removing entry hazards rather than healing/defending.

Also in regards to your suggestion of rockhead. I disagree, sturdy is a lot more useful for forretress, being a defensive pokemon.

My friends use fortertess, but I use Ferrothorn. I like ferrothorn because it has a usable attack stat as well as some good STAB coverage, which allows a choice band set to take down a lot of its checks on the switch in. For example, I 1HKO'd a heatran on the switch in with bulldoze, as well as a gengar with gyro ball and a Haxorus with gyro ball.

Honestly the whole line up for pokemon black and white bothered me they were all carbon clones of the original set with almost none managing to dodge being a clone or rip off of a original.

I don't remember the originals having A Hydra, a Spider, or a giant fucking centipede.

Uh.. Ariados for the spider? Not disagreeing with you though. I love galvantula, its a much better design than ariados. And hydreigon is one of my favourite pokemon ever. Bulky enough to take a +2 bullet punch from technician scizor then KO back with flamethrower. Its a staple of my standard team.

 

[Mr. Omega]

Totally subjetive, going for the underrated: For Steel and Dark, I'd say Bisharp.

Spoiler: Because nothing says Badass like a samurai in power rangers colors covered in blades

Plus, given an adamant nature and EV trained right, just one Swords Dance and Sucker Punch with a Life Orb for good measure will knock out just about anything that isn't resistant. Add in Psycho Cut for any slower fighting types and Iron Head in case the others don't work for good measure. Brick Break can also replace Iron Head, considering the meta.

Bisharp is situational as hell, and you'll need to get him the fuck out once a fighting type with mach punch comes in, but once he starts, there isn't much that stops him.

My second favorite by just a little less is Snorlax.

Spoiler: A giant, lazy pokemon that spends most of the day sleeping? Sounds like me!

Lots of HP, high attack and diverse enough to fit a lot of situations. I personally go with Body Slam, Earthquake, Zen Headbut and Fire Punch. BS because of STAB, Earthquake because it's the best move in the game, Zen to take care of unsuspecting or slow fighting types, and Fire Punch for unpredictability.

As for the worst? Well...

Spoiler: What is your purpose?!

I second Scolipede for Poison. Giant poisonous centipede of doom, and it looks awesome. And mechanically speaking, the only final form of the typical "caterpillar" Pokemon in each gen that's worth a damn. Also great at setting up entry hazards. It's surprisingly fast, and one of the few that can set up both Spikes and Toxic Spikes AND be able to actually fight back with a move like Megahorn.

EDIT:
Ok, I got a good one... Unless the meta's changed behind my back and this guy's gotten popular since I stopped playing...

Spoiler: Motha Fuckin CLOYSTER

I assum that because there are so many good Water types, Cloyster tends to get overshadowed, but if you want a godly Ice Type, this is it. Give it a nature and EVs that focus on Attack and Speed. Give it a White Herb. Give it the ability Skill Link, and the moves Shell Smash, Rock Blast, Razor Shell and Icicle Spear. If you can get off the Shell Smash, you will sweep the enemy team provided some pokemon with Mach Punch or Bullet Punch shows up. It regularly sweeps the enemy team, has a simple combo, and yet I've never seen it anywhere.

 

[Patathatapon]

Underrated Pokemon? I would say the MOST under rated would be the smaller bug types (aka wurmple, caterpie, weedle) and Jiggly puff. Believe it or not, Most people go "hey look magikarp! I need a Gyrados!" So its not very underrated. Then in the second area I'd say All the starters. This choice may sound peculiar, but the thing is, many people don't realize the high potential behind all of these Pokemon. Not necessarily the first form either. Every time I've played a Pokemon game, there wasn't a time I lost more than once using only my starter. Whenever I've tried similar things with other Pokemon, and It doesn't work as well, probably BECAUSE of the fact you starter is your first Pokemon, and you train it the most at the beginning.

Anyway, you can tell me how my opinion is wrong now.

 

[Leemaster777]

Clearly, the best Pokemon ever is also my favorite. Muthafuckin Wobbuffet, bitches!

If you don't know why this guy is awesome, let me break it down:

First off, he has GODLY HP. Now, that might not seem like much, especially when you consider the rest of his stats are poor at best. But, he learns two very important moves: Counter and Mirror Coat.

With those two moves, he can counter any attack in the game, dealing back DOUBLE the damage he took from either physical or special attacks, respectively. He can take attacks that would OHKO any other Pokemon, and counter-attack back for a OHKO of his own.

And predicting attacks is no problem, he can also learn the attack Encore, which FORCES the opponent to keep using the same move, so you know whether to use Counter or Mirror Coat.

He's basically the Chuck Norris of Pokemon. You just can't beat him.


As for Pokemon that suck, let me ask you this: Why does this need to exist?

Spoiler

It doesn't look good, it sucks in combat, it has a crapton of weakness... it's not a very good Pokemon, alright?!

 

[silver wolf009]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

I shall splurge.

Also, going to keep baby pokemon out of this for the most part. They're babies, and usually aren't worth noting. Also not using legendaries, because that seems like cheating. Also, when I mention something, assume I mean the line, as except for a few exceptions, most all lines are exactly the same, with some just being slightly stronger than the one before.

Spoiler: Dark

Best:
Gonna go with Weavile here.

Spoiler

Something of a glass cannon, yes, but holy mother of god, this thing is fast, and hits hard. Plus, unique typing to his line alone, two good STAB types, and a pretty good amount of coverage from his pool. One of the few Gen Four chain extensions I give a pass on existing. Looking at you Mime Jr.!


Worst:
Sableye.

Spoiler

Outdone in more or less every fashion by Spiritomb, including origin/story. Gem eating ghost thing, alright. The Ermac of Pokemon? 108 souls bound together in a stone for their misdeeds? Demonically kickass.

Spoiler: Steel

Best:
Mr. X Face himself, Metagross.

Spoiler

Beating out Hydreigon for best Pseudo-Legendary in my books, if only due to his two weaknesses as opposed to four, Metagross is awesome, and has one of the best typings every. Great attack, and just the idea of a sentient, super computer tank wins him the steel spot, barely beating out the other awesome Gen 3 steel type, Aggron.

Worst:
Mawile.

Spoiler

Useless, stupid looking, and all around derp, why would you bother when you can get so much better Mons for walling like Skarmory?

Spoiler: Normal

Best:
Porgyon-Z

Spoiler

Holy shit, that special attack. Another glass cannon, but this thing has 135 base special attack, which I'm pretty sure puts him in either the top three or five special attackers in the entire series. Plus, Adaptability Tri-Attack owns. And because of Conversion, he can get that double STAB on whatever he wants. Plus, he's not slow either, so he can sweep even without setting up if you do it right. That, and he's often portrayed as insane, which has led to some funny jokes.

Worst:
Slakoth

Spoiler

Pokemon: Teaching kids that skipping school will lead to your defeat. Truant ruins this guy, and while I could have gone with some of the baby Pokemon, but as I mentioned that just seems like a cheat; of course most of them suck. Mime Jr...

Regardless, he makes up for it with the rest of his chain, ending with that monster Slaking, but Slakoth just flat out sucks. Good result, bad times at the start. Like a prostate exam. Except without the prostate.

...Forget where I was going with this...

[HEADING=2] PLAY ME OUT DAVE![/HEADING]


Next scene!

Spoiler: Fire

Best:
Blaziken

Spoiler

The original Fire-Fighting, Blaziken is just thirteen flavors of awesome. He's got a great typing, even if it's overused. Been three generations of boxing fire beasts, but Blaziken still reigns supreme.

Why? Two words: Hidden Ability.

People MAY have been able to argue Infernape beast Blaziken due to speed, but then... Speed Boost happened.

Smogon: Ban dat shit to Uber.

Nigh unstoppable once he gets going, Blaziken just flat out kicks backside.

Worst:
Ninetails.

Spoiler

*Dodges foxy curse.*

Maybe this one's just me, but I don't like Ninetails. I'll give her she's got above average speed and special defense, but I'm just not a fan of her. Not nearly offensive enough, and that not learning any good moves always rubbed me the wrong way.

You can always do better is what I've thought when I thought of Ninetails really.

Spoiler: Fighting

Best:
Machamp.

Spoiler

Or as I call him, Goro. He's just awesome, both looking and playing. Like most fighters, he's got lackluster defenses, but he more than makes up for it with his attack. But what makes him hell for the opponent is freaking No Guard. With this, moves don't miss. Period. His moves hit you, your moves hit him. What's that mean? Well, it means that Dynamic Punch, 100 damage, instant confusion, is no longer restricted by the 50 accuracy. That's a combo you don't screw with.

Also, it means he can Dynamic Punch you through the ground while you dig, and confuse you that way. Which is hilarious to think about.

Worst:
Lucario.

Spoiler

Unique typing, and great attack and special attack mean that he's a fighting type that can deal out damage with Flash Cannon, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse and other assorted special hits, which is rare, but he's just betrayed by his defenses. Really, that's what it comes down to. He just can't take hits, despite being part steel, which is a deal breaker for me.

Spoiler: Water

Best:
So hard to choose here, but I'm going to go with the first Water-Dragon, Kingdra.

Spoiler

Hold the phone, Kingdra? I never hear anything spectacular about this guy, so why's he here?

Well, because he can do anything. His attack and defense stats, both physical and special, are all 95, his health is 85, and his speed is 75, which he can learn Agility to offset. This means he can pretty much do anything he wants. Wall, special or physical attacker, sweeper, whatever. He can even pass out sleep, albeit not as well as others, via Yawn.

Worst:
Luvdisc.

Spoiler

Magikarp was too low hanging a fruit for me, and Feebas is awesome because of the end result, so I'm going with this thing. Screw this Frisbee. Yeah, it's fast. ...That's where the good qualities end. It's just such a waste of a good space that could be put to so many better options. Like Magikarp.

[HEADING=1]LORD OF THE SWEEPS!![/HEADING]

Spoiler: Flying

Best:
Xatu.

Spoiler

Mystical seer that sees time as it was and will be at once? Awesome. The only Pokemon that starts with X, Xatu is up here due to a good combo of 95 special attack and speed, as well as a huge resistance to fighting, meaning he can wall them all day, and a huge movepool. Not much to say other than awesome looker, and awesome fighter.

Worst:
Jumpluff.

Spoiler

Look at this thing and cry at how stupid it is. I don't think I need to explain much, nor do I expect an much dissent, so I'll just say: Not good.

Cute though.

Spoiler: Grass

Best:
Breloom.

Spoiler

Spore or Substitue, Focus Punch. Mach Punch for those who are faster. Seed Bomb to attack water or maybe Sword Dance to set up if you'd like. Congratulations on making Breloom go Super Sayin. Have fun winning.

Worst:
Exeggutor.

Spoiler

One thing, and one thing alone: Seven weaknesses. That is all.

Spoiler: Poison

Best:
Gengar.

Spoiler

Kind of a cheat, as it's more of a ghost than a poison, but still counts, cuz typing. 110 speed, 130 special attack. Again, glass cannon, but hits so hard that I don't care.

Worst:
Beedrill.

Spoiler

You just suck, Beedrill. Sorry, but you do. There are much better bugs, and poisons. There's even much better bug poisons, like Venomoth and Scolipede. I'd say you were outdone, but more or less anything could outdo you.

Spoiler: Electric

Best:
Rotom.

Spoiler

Another semi-cheat, but in every form, including his original, Rotom is a damn good electric type, as well as a really cool idea. An electric ghost. The only way to beat him is to use the frequency red.

[HEADING=1]OH!![/HEADING]

THAT was a reference. Get that, and you get a cookie, AND a free Rotom.

Worst:
Ampharos.

Spoiler

His speed's just too bad for me to give him any space above the bottom. It's a knife in the back I just cannot work around. Get yourselves a Jolteon if you want a better electric.

Spoiler: Ground

Best:
Garchomp.

Spoiler

Fast as hell, hard hitting land shark with awesome STAB on Outrage and Earthquake=best ground type, except for Groudon, which is best overall, but as I said, disqualified cuz I'm not using legendaries. Plus, Garchomp is so sleek as to glidefly. That's awesome.

Worst:
Sandslash.

Spoiler

Never used, because there are just so many better options out there. Not very fast, and not very specially defensive, he's not one you'll see around anytime soon. Just not worth the effort it'd take to get him, which isn't a lot.

Spoiler: Psychic

Best:
Alakazam.

Spoiler

Easy choice, right? Well, I chose him for a reason I don't think many know. His speed. He's got 120 base speed god damn it!!

That's insane! This old man thing with two spoons and weak muscles outpaces Starmie, Gengar and Scyther. That's freaking unbelievable. It took him up three notches for me when I found that out. Now he sweeps the legs like your the Karate Kid, but he doesn't lose.

Worst:
Woobat.

Spoiler

...Let's just leave it at, "Another easy choice." okay?

*Kicks.*

Now go die in a corner, Woobat. No one likes you.

Spoiler: Rock

Best:
Rhyperior.

Spoiler

I was on the fence about this one's right to exist when Gen 4 came out. Then I found out it shoots Geodudes for defense. That's... Stupidly awesome. I love it now. Plus, Rock Wrecker does as you'd expect: it wrecks stuff.

Worst:
Solrock.

Spoiler

Again with the insane amount of weaknesses. This time, six. But also, bad stats, and a stupid looking face that I just want to punch so hard. Not a fan of Solrock, and his brother, Lunatone, is one of the few areas I think Sapphire is better than Ruby in.

Spoiler: Ice

Best:
Glaceon.

Spoiler

Set her up in a hailstorm, and watch her taunt the opponents and freeze them solid. Good attacker, and in my opinion, tied for best Eeveelution with Jolteon. Also, nice natural snow hat she has on.

Worst:
Dewgong.

Spoiler

I just feel this guy's outdone now by Walrein in any role he might try to fill. So I doom him to the worst list for being bad at his job, and for his job being a bad one to do. Also, he's not a mermaid, which Nigel broke to me in a terrible fashion.


Curse you Thornberry!

Spoiler: bug

Best:
Scizor.

Spoiler

One weakness, great attack and defense, Agility to counter mediocre speed, and all around a bad ass feel, Scizor is king of bugs, and if you let him set up, you give him victory. Life Orb, Sword Dance, Technician, Bullet Punch. GG, no Re.

Worst:
Ledian.

Spoiler

With better health, it could be a halfway decent special wall. But it doesn't have good health, leaving it decent at... Nothing really. Skip it. You've got no reason to stay.

Spoiler: dragon

Best:
Salamence.

Spoiler

After two generations of Derpy Dragoon (Dragonite), Generation 3 brought a truly epic Pseudo-legendary dragon to the table with Salamence. Huge attack, great speed, and a darn good special attack, he was just better suited to being the king of dragons, not to mention better looking.

Plus, he's Pinocchio. He wished so hard for wings, that he forced his genes to activate and grew them. That's kickass.

Worst:
Altaria.

Spoiler

Now, I like Altaria, but with such steep competition from... Well, every other dragon, she's the worst. Doesn't mean she's bad, and has the highest special defense of all dragons, which is nice. Just means she's not as good as the others.

Spoiler: Ghost

Best:
Chandelure.

Spoiler

Now, I've not really immersed myself in Gen 5, but even from what I've seen of this thing, it's no slouch. It's got the highest special attack of any Pokemon, unique typing, and a pretty cute first evolution, which means something to me, even when I'm this enamored with stats and the like.

Worst:
Shuppet.

Spoiler

What you are is fail. You've got decent special attack, and a moderately better evolution, but Shuppter, you're not good.

Well, this has been a half baked, half minded, more than likely inconsistent rant on Pokemon.

If you made it this far, either you liked it, which is good, or you hated it and were simply mesmerized by the stupidity, which is bad. Either way, I return now to training my Dark team for Black 2. Weavile, ho!

And of course there's some formatting issues. Because there must be on posts this big. I think that to be law or something.

 

[silver wolf009]

As for Pokemon that suck, let me ask you this: Why does this need to exist?

Spoiler

It doesn't look good, it sucks in combat, it has a crapton of weakness... it's not a very good Pokemon, alright?!

I'll stand up for Jynx. Yes, she's stupid looking, but she's got 115 special attack and 95 speed. Read, she can sweep ya if you're not careful.

 

[silver wolf009]

As for the worst? Well...

Spoiler: What is your purpose?!

Dunsparce's Ppurpose is to paralyze with T-Wave, then Serene Grace Headbutt for 60% flinching. From there, he flinches all that oppose him.

 

[aba1]

Honestly the whole line up for pokemon black and white bothered me they were all carbon clones of the original set with almost none managing to dodge being a clone or rip off of a original.

Thats bullshit, also why bother posting here other than to be a troll?!

name one thats similar to the following:

Oh wait, you CAN'T.

I don't remember the originals having A Hydra, a Spider, or a giant fucking centipede.

Think before you post.

Congratulations not only did you fail to read what I had said properly you asked me to reply then answered on my behalf in the same post.

Also the Hydra would be Dragonite as it is a copy of the dragon trio and the Centipede is just like the bug poison trio so it's equivalent would be beedrill. Those are a little less obvious but if you take even 5 minutes to compare there are so many blatant copies. Also as for the spider there has been a few spider pokemon before that just not in the first gen rather the second.

ALSO on top of that all you should really consider not being a complete douche in the future.

 

[The Angry Wolf]

My two personal favorites are Lucario and Jolteon. I'm not a huge fan of the Black/White lineup, but some are pretty good ( Galvantula, Bisharp, Golurk, and Braviary are my personal favorites from that gen ).

 

[The Rookie Gamer]

My favorite from Black and White would have the be the new Kyurem forms.

Spoiler: Black Kyurem

This guy has the most powerful attack for a dragon type in the game, and the second highest attack in the game, surpassed only by Deoxys-Attack. He can break Kyorgre with an electric attack, which is awesome, along with hitting Lugia and Ho-oh along the way. He can also hi the after mentioned Lugia with a STAB ice beam, along with Groudon. On the final part, it has an ungodly powerful STAB Outrage. This attack can shatter anything that doesn't resist it, and those steel type that do can be taken care of with entry hazard support.

Spoiler: White Kyurem

This guy is viewed as the more powerful. A 170 base special attack, second only to Deoxys-Attack, like its brother's attack. This matter nothing to those on those on the opposing end not named Blissey, which still fears Modest Specs Focus blast with entry hazards. Kyurem White breaks all physical walls with horrifying ease, as it has access to a base 100 fire attack, Fusion Flare, can melt all steels, and hits Heatran due to Kyurem's ability negating abilities of the enemy. Kyurem also freezes Lugia with an Ice Beam laughably easily, and to top it off, Kyurem possesses the strongest Draco meteor in the game, doing an absurd amount of damage to most pokemon which are well known for having great special defense. Also, for an older comparison to its power, it has more special power than Mewtwo. Think about it.

Both of these forms have a 700 BST(Base Stat Total), with the God of Pokemon, Arceus, only having 720.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Honestly the whole line up for pokemon black and white bothered me they were all carbon clones of the original set with almost none managing to dodge being a clone or rip off of a original.

Thats bullshit, also why bother posting here other than to be a troll?!

name one thats similar to the following:

Oh wait, you CAN'T.

I don't remember the originals having A Hydra, a Spider, or a giant fucking centipede.

Think before you post.

Here are a few numbers to look at.

498-502, 504-505, 511-516, 519-521, 527-528, 531-536, 538-539, 550, 554-555, 563, 568-569, 574-576, 580-584, 590-591, 594, 599-601, 618, 626, 641-642, 645.

Whether you like them or not, you cannot deny the fact that these Pokemon were uninspiring and unoriginal in terms of their conception. The thing that makes a great Pokemon game is 1.) the Pokemon available in the game and 2.) replay value. I did not like the Pokemon, and I won't restart this game ever again.