The Philosophy of Infinity.

[OtherAlex]

This is only a brief post, but I was pondering.

And if you subscribe to the infinite universe model, then you invariably have to subscribe to God. Because, arguably, within an infinite universe there are also infinite possibilities, basically if it can exist it does. Hence, God as we understand him or her or it, would also exist?

I am an un zealous atheist, I am just curious what the world thinks on this matter.

 

[delet]

Sure, I guess. That could also mean there's several different gods and all religions are technically correct.

I prefer to subscribe to the idea that if there is, or was, ever a god, he's damned far away now and has forgotten about us.

 

[GuideBot]

Just because a universe is infinite doesn't mean it has infinite possibilities.

Consider an infinite universe of custard. There is only custard in this universe, and it's laws of physics are such that this state is constant (so the custard won't compress or vary its density, or go off). The only possibility in this universe is custard.

I believe our universe, while not made of custard, is infinite, but like the universe of custard, there isn't necessarily the capacity for infinite possibilities.

 

[Captain Blackout]

Take up fragmentism, a religion I found on 4chan. In fact, it's a 4chan creation.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

Hmmm... granted, with the infinite universe, there would be infinite possibilities...
So yes, somewhere in that infinite realm would be something we could describe as a [deity]...
Uh-huh... It is entirely possible for there to exist something with [deity]-like powers. Hard to imagine anything being all-seeing though... Actually, hard to imagine anything right now...
I've used up my alloted imagination points for now... have to get some more...

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

No, not really. Unless you mean some God-like creatures somewhere far far away that had lived an infinitum of years ago.
Maybe the Universe is just circular?

 

[Cherry Cola]

... what? That doesn't make any sense. So, if I believe that the universe has no end, I have to believe that there is a god? Do you know why I believe that the universe is infinite? Because there will always be a point where something doesn't have an end. If the universe ends, there will be something else, even if it is just nothingness. We can't comprehend this, hence why we say that it is infinite. I will just save myself a headache and draw the line at universe.

 

[Stevo_s]

Just because a universe is infinite doesn't mean it has infinite possibilities.

Consider an infinite universe of custard. There is only custard in this universe, and it's laws of physics are such that this state is constant (so the custard won't compress or vary its density, or go off). The only possibility in this universe is custard.

I believe our universe, while not made of custard, is infinite, but like the universe of custard, there isn't necessarily the capacity for infinite possibilities.

that's pretty good when I have something that I might be able to reply either in agreement or denial-----
Who the fudge ever stated there was infinite possibilities anyway??
And in what way could anyone cross the gap from an infinite universe to infinite possibilities?

Ha custard. Funny. xD

 

[OtherAlex]

All I can think about now is the malleability of custard in relation to the universe...

You hit it hard and it remains solid, but if you remain still it will suck you in...

 

[Kurokami]

Sure, I guess. That could also mean there's several different gods and all religions are technically correct.

I prefer to subscribe to the idea that if there is, or was, ever a god, he's damned far away now and has forgotten about us.

I subscribe to the theory that if both of you are wrong than he's just an arsehole toying with us the same way we toy with characters in The Sims.

 

[tgcPheonix]

As quoted : "given that the universe is infinite, and that god is also infinite, would you like any toast?".

I do not believe the universe if infinite or rather It cannot be both infinite and expanding for it to be infinite it must have just come into existence and surrounded everything that was there before.
The universe is about balance everything is balanced, if it was simply created or is infinite the black holes would have destroyed everything by now or sucked enough energy in to stabilise them selves but if the universe was expanding it would cause an Exponential growth and thus the universe is still creating matter.
But i'm down with quantum physics, that every state isn't going to happen, but rather has already happen is happening and will continue to happen simultaneously until it is observed (Schrödinger's cat) and therefore God both exists and doesn't exist until he is seen and the universe is both expanding and infinite until it is seen.

So what is it... a white hole?

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

A universe of infinite size doesn't imply that there are infinite possibilities, and it most certainly doesn't imply that all of those possibilities are true. And even is it did mean that, it wouldn't just prove that the Christian God exists, but that all possible Gods exist, which would make religion futile because there would be an infinite number of 'Gods'. If everything was possible, then it would be possible that somewhere in the galaxy pyramid-shaped Suns are spontaneously transforming into talking elephants made out of cotton candy, or any other ridiculous idea you could come up with.

This is of course no proof that God doesn't exist, but it's certainly no reason to assume he does.

 

[Captain Blackout]

As quoted : "given that the universe is infinite, and that god is also infinite, would you like any toast?".

I do not believe the universe if infinite or rather It cannot be both infinite and expanding for it to be infinite it must have just come into existence and surrounded everything that was there before.
The universe is about balance everything is balanced, if it was simply created or is infinite the black holes would have destroyed everything by now or sucked enough energy in to stabilise them selves but if the universe was expanding it would cause an Exponential growth and thus the universe is still creating matter.
But i'm down with quantum physics, that every state isn't going to happen, but rather has already happen is happening and will continue to happen simultaneously until it is observed (Schrödinger's cat) and therefore God both exists and doesn't exist until he is seen and the universe is both expanding and infinite until it is seen.

So what is it... a white hole?

I tried pursuing your path. What I found pissed others off and blew my mind. It's good, but wow.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

I do not believe the universe if infinite or rather It cannot be both infinite and expanding for it to be infinite it must have just come into existence and surrounded everything that was there before.

I'm no astrophysicist or anything, but I think the idea that the universe is both infinite and expanding comes from two slightly different ideas of what 'the universe' is.

The expanding universe is just a bunch of matter and energy that originated from the Big Bang (leading to the question of what the Big Bang was exactly, or what there was before the Big Bang, but that's another topic), flying in all directions at the maximum speed possible. Since this 'existing' universe is flying in all directions, it's expanding. But what is it expanding into? Even if the space surrounding the expanding universe is 100% vacuum, void, nothingness, or whatever, it's still there. The 'existing' universe made of matter and energy is expanding into the 'not-existing' area around it. But if we can say that there is a 'not-existing' area, then that area itself does exist (I need an asperine now).

Anyway, if 'the universe' is 'everything that exists'. then that includes both the expanding 'existing' part and the infinite 'not-existing' part. So the universe is both expanding and infinite.

Not that it really matters, because IIRC the 'existing' universe is expanding so fast that it might as well be infinite, since the expanding edge is moving so fast that nothing can ever catch up with it.

 

[GuideBot]

Just because a universe is infinite doesn't mean it has infinite possibilities.

Consider an infinite universe of custard. There is only custard in this universe, and it's laws of physics are such that this state is constant (so the custard won't compress or vary its density, or go off). The only possibility in this universe is custard.

I believe our universe, while not made of custard, is infinite, but like the universe of custard, there isn't necessarily the capacity for infinite possibilities.

that's pretty good when I have something that I might be able to reply either in agreement or denial-----
Who the fudge ever stated there was infinite possibilities anyway??
And in what way could anyone cross the gap from an infinite universe to infinite possibilities?

Ha custard. Funny. xD

The OP inferred that an infinite universe has infinite possibilities, so that's where I got that from. My hypothetical is ridiculous, of course, but it makes my point.

Related Aside: @ OP, OtherAlex: If we accept as you propose that the universe is infinite and that therefore implies infinite possibilities, then surely somewhere, along with god, my custard universe must also exist? I just thought I'd mention it.

Aside: One thing I've learned in life, is that custard is almost always funny, and I'm unable to explain why. If you need a quick laugh, smile or ice-breaker, just make a custard related remark (note: never use a conventional custard related joke, they're the exception, being awful, and not in the good way).

 

[Seanchaidh]

This is only a brief post, but I was pondering.

And if you subscribe to the infinite universe model, then you invariably have to subscribe to God. Because, arguably, within an infinite universe there are also infinite possibilities, basically if it can exist it does. Hence, God as we understand him or her or it, would also exist?

I am an un zealous atheist, I am just curious what the world thinks on this matter.

Infinite as regards possibilities? Sure. But I think most people just think it's infinite in extension, which doesn't say anything about its contents.

 

[frickendevil]

This is only a brief post, but I was pondering.

And if you subscribe to the infinite universe model, then you invariably have to subscribe to God. Because, arguably, within an infinite universe there are also infinite possibilities, basically if it can exist it does. Hence, God as we understand him or her or it, would also exist?

I am an un zealous atheist, I am just curious what the world thinks on this matter.

I bet you think that because pi is an irrational number that if you took its decimals and converted them into binary you would eventually find a jpeg of good quality of you enjoying yourself with a sexy woman of your choice.

 

[tgcPheonix]

As quoted : "given that the universe is infinite, and that god is also infinite, would you like any toast?".

I do not believe the universe if infinite or rather It cannot be both infinite and expanding for it to be infinite it must have just come into existence and surrounded everything that was there before.
The universe is about balance everything is balanced, if it was simply created or is infinite the black holes would have destroyed everything by now or sucked enough energy in to stabilise them selves but if the universe was expanding it would cause an Exponential growth and thus the universe is still creating matter.
But i'm down with quantum physics, that every state isn't going to happen, but rather has already happen is happening and will continue to happen simultaneously until it is observed (Schrödinger's cat) and therefore God both exists and doesn't exist until he is seen and the universe is both expanding and infinite until it is seen.

So what is it... a white hole?

I tried pursuing your path. What I found pissed others off and blew my mind. It's good, but wow.

Once you grasp the concepts QP is actually rather simple, because everything has already happened, even me typing this reply you can some what use it to "predict the future" (see minority report when he rolls the ball across the table) from our point of view something WILL happen and something MIGHT happen, I WILL click post when I'm done, and the world MIGHT end tomorrow, but until both have been observed the statements are both TURE and FALSE. When you read this post it will come TRUE but in another universe the lack of observation will come up FALSE. But the QP point of view is that everything has already happend, so if you could see that view, you could see all of time.

I do not believe the universe if infinite or rather It cannot be both infinite and expanding for it to be infinite it must have just come into existence and surrounded everything that was there before.

Not that it really matters, because IIRC the 'existing' universe is expanding so fast that it might as well be infinite, since the expanding edge is moving so fast that nothing can ever catch up with it.

Yes that is what I meant by Exponential growth, it would grow similar to the Fibonacci sequence actually it wouldn't surprise me to find that the universe did grow in the sequence it's very predominant in nature.

 

[ascorbius]

OK, given that the universe is infinite and God is also infinite, .. would anyone like some toast?