The PlayStation 3 - Is it really just Godzilla in a case?

[L.B. Jeffries]

40 gig PS3 = 399.99 stateside

Blu Ray has won the format war.
No red ring of death.
Most of the must-owns on Xbox are dual system.
SixAxis is slowly...very slowly...actually becoming relevant and useful tech.
Their live network will eventually get its shit together in another year or so.
Metal Gear Solid, God of War, and whatever other crap the Under-Gods of Sony buy up.

Say what you want about that black monolith, I think it's going to still be standing after the other two contenders bite it.

 

[Snazzie]

"apart from the fact that it costs way too fucking much."

Four hundred and FUCKING fifty pounds in UK.In fact that's the only reason why I'm not a Sony fanboy.I always knew that UK was getting ripped off but this is a fucking joke.Don't you dare giving this "Europe is all for PS3" bullshit.You're rubbing salt into my wounds.

£450? Where the heck are you shopping? You can pick up a PS3 at Game for £300. Still a bit too dear for me though.

 

[ReepNeep]

Recommended

Windows XP/Vista

* Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 or AMD Athlon X2 4400+
* 2048MB RAM
* NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB
* 12GB disk space

I assume that since it's "Recommended", you should be able to run it Max Settings.With all respect, PS3 is still far from THAT.

Look up the way Consoles work, then the spec of the PS3 and you will see that Crysis could be run on PS3 at high (Perhaps very high with a lowish framerate). It has 7core processor 3.4ghz, and the rsx chip. Pc's and consoles don't work in the same way, RAM almost doesn't matter on consloes.

HOOBOY. Where do I even start...

First off, comparing just the raw MHZ speeds between two different architectures is damn near meaningless. An example: An Athlon 64 @ 2.4 ghz smacks the crap out of a P4 @ 3.4ghz in everything but a few media encoding apps. Meanwhile a Core 2 Duo @ 2ghz does the same to an Athlon X2 @ 2.4 in just about everything.

That said, the Cell has a hell of a lot of theoretical power: way more than the fastest Intel quadcore chips. The problem is writing code that will fully load 6 cores at once (Cell is a 9 core chip: it has 8 identical cores that do the actual work, with the ps3 having one disabled and another reserved for the os for 6 available to the game, and a rather weak single PowerPC processor to coordinate the other 8). You wont see code that can even approach it's theoretical maximum (Outside of Folding@Home. I mean a game engine which is MUCH more complex.) until very late in it's life cycle. In that, its very similar to the PS2 (just compare the ps2 launch titles to stuff like MGS3 or God of War)

Even with the power of the cell chip, the primary limiting factor in crysis is ALWAYS the GPU (most PC games are this way FYI). The RSX is roughly equivalent to a Geforce 7800GTX, a high end card from back in 2005 that MIGHT be able to run it at 1080p at medium settings.

The lack of ram in the PS3 is also a big concern. They will probably try to work around it by chopping up the levels into much smaller chunks and streaming them off the disk as the player moves around. Still, that game really wants that 2GB and cramming it into 512 will most likely make Very High quality impossible (not like the RSX had the power for that anyway).

Also, for those wondering, Recommended Hardware for PC games generally means what hardware can run the game reasonably smoothly at medium settings. Minimum requirements are what is technically required to play the game. It will look and run like ass, but it will still be 'playable'.

/pedantry Off

 

[Altair-Ego]

40 gig PS3 = 399.99 stateside

Blu Ray has won the format war.
No red ring of death.
Most of the must-owns on Xbox are dual system.
SixAxis is slowly...very slowly...actually becoming relevant and useful tech.
Their live network will eventually get its shit together in another year or so.
Metal Gear Solid, God of War, and whatever other crap the Under-Gods of Sony buy up.

Say what you want about that black monolith, I think it's going to still be standing after the other two contenders bite it.

Lol. You think it's going to be a console War Winner?

The 360 and soon-to-be Wii have cleared up that shit.

Also, why is it good if
a) It looks like, a cliche, a George Foreman Grill
and b) is the size of a car, house, or space shuttle?

Also, why spend 400 dollars on a PS3 when for the same you could buy an Arcade 360 with The Orange Box and Halo 3 and still have enough left over for a decent lunch?

Also crap hat, why do you get pissed when I say that P{ortal 2 will likely not come to the PS3 at launch, or when people say that Crysis could not be run at high on the PS3? It's like me getting pissed if someone said the Wii was a useless white box because it doesn't play The Orange Box.

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

40 gig PS3 = 399.99 stateside

Blu Ray has won the format war.
No red ring of death.
Most of the must-owns on Xbox are dual system.
SixAxis is slowly...very slowly...actually becoming relevant and useful tech.
Their live network will eventually get its shit together in another year or so.
Metal Gear Solid, God of War, and whatever other crap the Under-Gods of Sony buy up.

Say what you want about that black monolith, I think it's going to still be standing after the other two contenders bite it.

Lol. You think it's going to be a console War Winner?

The 360 and soon-to-be Wii have cleared up that shit.

Also, why is it good if
a) It looks like, a cliche, a George Foreman Grill
and b) is the size of a car, house, or space shuttle?

Also, why spend 400 dollars on a PS3 when for the same you could buy an Arcade 360 with The Orange Box and Halo 3 and still have enough left over for a decent lunch?

Also crap hat, why do you get pissed when I say that P{ortal 2 will likely not come to the PS3 at launch, or when people say that Crysis could not be run at high on the PS3? It's like me getting pissed if someone said the Wii was a useless white box because it doesn't play The Orange Box.

Are you confusing me with someone else? This isn't a fanboy argument, the thread was asking about the PS3's potential shelf-life in 2010. Both of your first critiques are superficial aesthetics and the second one is already answered by the start of the topic: it plays Blu Ray, which is now the dominant format for HD TV's. I have no idea what platform Portal 2 will be on but knowing Valve, probably the PC. Dunno what else you're rambling about.

I don't own a PS3, but the machine is still going to be around and probably going strong in 2010.

 

[shadow skill]

Go ahead and buy that useless Arcade sku only to find that burnout online is gimped and not all of the content could fit on the dvd so you have to go download it which means you will have to go out and buy one of Microsoft's over priced hard drive units. Let's not forget that Xbox Live itself costs money if you want to be gaming online with games like Halo 3.

 

[Altair-Ego]

Are you confusing me with someone else? This isn't a fanboy argument, the thread was asking about the PS3's potential shelf-life in 2010. Both of your first critiques are superficial aesthetics and the second one is already answered by the start of the topic: it plays Blu Ray, which is now the dominant format for HD TV's. I have no idea what platform Portal 2 will be on but knowing Valve, probably the PC. Dunno what else you're rambling about.

I don't own a PS3, but the machine is still going to be around and probably going strong in 2010.

PC and 360, more than likely.

A Valve co-founder refuses to release games for the PS3 because he thinks it's a waste of everyone's time.

Also, why is people afraid of taking risks a superficial aesthetics, as in buying a new format for DVD's when you already have a DVD player? IMO, wasting money to buy a Blu-Ray/Game system is something that isn't right.

Is there even a Blu-Ray Player...

Went on Best Buy's website.

Alright, it is an O.K. deal when the cheapest just Blu-Ray is the same as the PS3.

In 2010, all the systems will be around. Why the fuck would 2 game systems go off the market in 2 years when a black monolith remains? Why the fuck would they not be going strong in 2010? Why the fuck would 2 systems be destroyed in 2 years? That's exactly what I'm fucking talking about. You think that because it has superior graphics quality, it will run the other systems off the market in 2 years.

Hell, in 2 years, Sony will be trying to make up for lost time when the prototypes for the new Microsoft and Nintendo systems will be either ready, prepped, or halfway done. Why would they be making new systems now?

in '04, Nintendo referenced the Wii. 2 years after the GCN's release.

But enough about that.

 

[shadow skill]

Are you confusing me with someone else? This isn't a fanboy argument, the thread was asking about the PS3's potential shelf-life in 2010. Both of your first critiques are superficial aesthetics and the second one is already answered by the start of the topic: it plays Blu Ray, which is now the dominant format for HD TV's. I have no idea what platform Portal 2 will be on but knowing Valve, probably the PC. Dunno what else you're rambling about.

I don't own a PS3, but the machine is still going to be around and probably going strong in 2010.

PC and 360, more than likely.

A Valve co-founder refuses to release games for the PS3 because he thinks it's a waste of everyone's time.

Also, why is people afraid of taking risks a superficial aesthetics, as in buying a new format for DVD's when you already have a DVD player? IMO, wasting money to buy a Blu-Ray/Game system is something that isn't right.

Is there even a Blu-Ray Player...

Went on Best Buy's website.

Alright, it is an O.K. deal when the cheapest just Blu-Ray is the same as the PS3.

In 2010, all the systems will be around. Why the fuck would 2 game systems go off the market in 2 years when a black monolith remains? Why the fuck would they not be going strong in 2010? Why the fuck would 2 systems be destroyed in 2 years? That's exactly what I'm fucking talking about. You think that because it has superior graphics quality, it will run the other systems off the market in 2 years.

Hell, in 2 years, Sony will be trying to make up for lost time when the prototypes for the new Microsoft and Nintendo systems will be either ready, prepped, or halfway done. Why would they be making new systems now?

in '04, Nintendo referenced the Wii. 2 years after the GCN's release.

But enough about that.

Oh you mean that Jackass Newell who couldn't even make his 360 port work correctly while he was bitching about the PS3 instead of having someone make sure that the controller mapping functionality on the 360 actually worked in an intelligent manner? Do I care whether Valve makes any console games? No, since they are likely to actually function properly on PC. Though I will have to then deal with the largely useless software called Steam that actually makes my life harder since it expects everything to go under the steam root folder which is just stupid design no matter how you slice it. Especially if you know of ways of handling this that achieve the same result as the crappy method that do not actually suck ass!

Oh and in that post you quoted I do not see anything that says that the other consoles will be gone however I would argue that the 360 at least will be in a state of decline which is actually starting as I am typing this. Their sales are actually slowing down quite a bit so it would be reasonable to suggest that the 360 might be in it's final stages by 2010, which would be the fifth year of the console's life. History supporting this since the original Xbox came out in 2001 and ceased production in 2005 the same year the 360 came out.

 

[Altair-Ego]

Are you confusing me with someone else? This isn't a fanboy argument, the thread was asking about the PS3's potential shelf-life in 2010. Both of your first critiques are superficial aesthetics and the second one is already answered by the start of the topic: it plays Blu Ray, which is now the dominant format for HD TV's. I have no idea what platform Portal 2 will be on but knowing Valve, probably the PC. Dunno what else you're rambling about.

I don't own a PS3, but the machine is still going to be around and probably going strong in 2010.

PC and 360, more than likely.

A Valve co-founder refuses to release games for the PS3 because he thinks it's a waste of everyone's time.

Also, why is people afraid of taking risks a superficial aesthetics, as in buying a new format for DVD's when you already have a DVD player? IMO, wasting money to buy a Blu-Ray/Game system is something that isn't right.

Is there even a Blu-Ray Player...

Went on Best Buy's website.

Alright, it is an O.K. deal when the cheapest just Blu-Ray is the same as the PS3.

In 2010, all the systems will be around. Why the fuck would 2 game systems go off the market in 2 years when a black monolith remains? Why the fuck would they not be going strong in 2010? Why the fuck would 2 systems be destroyed in 2 years? That's exactly what I'm fucking talking about. You think that because it has superior graphics quality, it will run the other systems off the market in 2 years.

Hell, in 2 years, Sony will be trying to make up for lost time when the prototypes for the new Microsoft and Nintendo systems will be either ready, prepped, or halfway done. Why would they be making new systems now?

in '04, Nintendo referenced the Wii. 2 years after the GCN's release.

But enough about that.

Oh you mean that Jackass Newell who couldn't even make his 360 port work correctly while he was bitching about the PS3 instead of having someone make sure that the controller mapping functionality on the 360 actually worked in an intelligent manner? Do I care whether Valve makes any console games? No, since they are likely to actually function properly on PC. Though I will have to then deal with the largely useless software called Steam that actually makes my life harder since it expects everything to go under the steam root folder which is just stupid design no matter how you slice it. Especially if you know of ways of handling this that achieve the same result as the crappy method that do not actually suck ass!

Oh and in that post you quoted I do not see anything that says that the other consoles will be gone however I would argue that the 360 at least will be in a state of decline which is actually starting as I am typing this. Their sales are actually slowing down quite a bit so it would be reasonable to suggest that the 360 might be in it's final stages by 2010, which would be the fifth year of the console's life. History supporting this since the original Xbox came out in 2001 and ceased production in 2005 the same year the 360 came out.

Yeah, i eliminated alot of the post to make room. Look above at the statement:
I think it's going to still be standing after the other two contenders bite it.


That says that it will be either like an NES in a SNES world, meaning it will be an old console when the new ones come out, or it will be frozen for production until the next gen, IMO.

Also, Bioware and 2K avoided it as well.

ALSO ALSO I never said STEAM. I said VALVE. I give no shits on Steam.

 

[shadow skill]

What is wrong with that statement, it is backed up by history? In two years both of the other consoles will be into their fourth year,they would begin introducing their new models around this time. Though I suspect that we will not see a new Wii until 2011 or early 2012. If anything is to be learned from the PS2 it's that Sony released the PS3 too early, the PS2 probably has another three to four years of life in it. Part of the problem for the PS3 is that it had to compete against it's older brother while simultaneously competeing against the Xbox 360 and the Wii. It may turn out that we will not see a new playstation released until 2014 or possibly even 2015 just to let the PS3 wain a bit so that they will not be cannibalizing so much of their own sales.

The Darkness came out on PS3 and that was made by 2k.

 

[eggdog14]

Consoles are not fine wine. No, they don't improve with age.

Nobody's buying it now, why would they change their mind in 3 years?

 

[Arbre]

well yeah but the problem is sony are such snobbs they havn't made the ps3 appealing to game designers, i hear from everyone that game designers are loath to develop for the ps3 because of sony and because it's not a very freindly system, so it has a huge "potential" game library but in reality it's just a giant peice of shit with a brand name on it. the wii isn't about graphics it's about inovation, and 360 is more designer friendly therefore desginers will most likley stay withing the specs of the console itself until something better becomes mainstream. pc designers seem to rely on ALOT of memory and i don't think consoles have quite caught up in that department so while some pc games will be ported, the funny thing is that microsoft does computers and the 360 therefore it's most likley easier to port a game to the 360 even if it means toning the graphics down a hair due to similarity of function and operating system. of course thats just my opinion

One of the best deals you can get on the PS3, as a studio, is one about exclusivity; hopefully crawling under Sony's wing, hoping the console takes off as a gaming machine, not a spot reader, and thus be associated forever, if you're lucky enough, to a machine that is ought to do wonder in Japan and the rest of the world at some point.
Then comes the "image".

There are many drawbacks though.

 

[shadow skill]

Consoles are not fine wine. No, they don't improve with age.

Nobody's buying it now, why would they change their mind in 3 years?

Yes they do, and yes they are.

 

[eggdog14]

Consoles are not fine wine. No, they don't improve with age.

Nobody's buying it now, why would they change their mind in 3 years?

Yes they do, and yes they are.

i can hardly see PS3 being renowned for its sentimental value, a la NES.

and no they aren't, someone get me a pie-chart, i'm lazy.

 

[butterkniferampage]

Okay:
The reason the PS3 isn't loved like the 360 is because the 360 has the game market. They released a shitty product that had an 80% failure rate (which they fixed now). But it didn't matter because microsoft owns everything from china to your mom's bras. The PS3 didn't get the good games it deserved like orange box. I don't see any reason to buy a PS3 when i have a wonderfully working 360 hooked up to my beautiful 40' SONY HD television. I also have to switch the HDMI wire around from my blu-ray player to my box.

IN CONCLUSION: SONY is great but the PS3 is not. Yet. I believe it has potential to get some good games out.

Oh and I think Crysis is homosexual.

 

[butterkniferampage]

Alright, it is an O.K. deal when the cheapest just Blu-Ray is the same as the PS3.

I got my Blu-ray player for around 200 USD.

 

[Girlysprite]

*grabs some popcorn and watches the ongoing fanboy fight*

I actually wonder why people care about which console another person prefers. Its not like he's coming to your home to rip your xbox/ps3 out.

But I have a good idea how to find out if PS3 will get successful or not; we wait. And then we see the numbers. From what I see the PS3 isn't a giant success (watching sales charts for that one) but it isn't plummeting so badly that it drives Sony out of business. So we'll likely see a playstation 4.