The Police are Ignoring me!

[Jewrean]

The police do things: "MAKE THEM STOP DOING THINGS!"

The police stop doing things: "MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING!"

And people wonder why I cease to care about what people think of the police.

I don't wonder at all.

 

[Jewrean]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

No... maybe in your mind. I actually believe in justice. Don't put your limited personality onto me. I'm not a generic fuck-wit. I legitimately believed that these guys could do the crime to someone else and that they should be stopped for it.

 

[Jewrean]

I suppose I need a bit more clarity, then. From what you wrote, they were driving slowly and more or less acting like yobbos- got that. What you have not made clear is why you couldn't have pulled off the road and used your cell phone to report them, let them drive away for several minutes, then gone along after they had preceded you by a few minutes. *Before* trying to pass them.

I admit, I am stuck on where you tried to pass them when they were driving unsafely. No one here supports what they did, or their assault on you, far from it. However, I think a lot of us feel your actions- which you seem to underplay a great deal- were (from an unbiased perspective) as bad or worse from a danger to others standpoint.

One of my overall points is that if *I* get that from your description of events, what did the *Police* get from your description?

You seem to be focused on the End Result: at the end of the whole incident one of them choked you. Viewed separately from everything else, that was an Assault and no one disagrees that it should be reported and prosecuted.

My problem is that you're glossing over your own actions in the matter and focusing entirely on why the Police haven't acted or kept you in the loop.

As to the Police issue- I don't know why they haven't contacted you. I recommend just keeping at them.

1) Your first point, I did not think about that. Good idea. But it wouldn't have occurred to me in the heated situation.
2) That's because overtaking when there isn't visually anyone else in the other lane is considered a safe thing to do. I never actually went over the speed limit. I didn't break a single law.
3) As for the police, this whole incident took 3 pages to describe. What I've given you is a far simplified version. Perhaps lack of communication?

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Reminds me of story one of my house mates who was studying law told me.

Guy rings cops and says 2 guys have broken into his garage and are loading there van with my stuff. cops said sorry there is no cops available at this time, or something like that.

15 mins had passed guy rings cops again and says, " Hi i rang about 15 mins ago to tell you some guys have broken into my garage and where loading there van up, well it dont matter now as i've shot them" and hangs up

few mins later a dozen coppers show up and chopper and dog units.
copper asks the guy thought you said you shot them (they had them cuffed) guy says thought you said no one was available.

That's not your story or your Solicitor/Lawyer friends.

That's a popular web meme that I can't be bothered to look up but I have no doubt other people already have.

Poor show

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

No... maybe in your mind. I actually believe in justice. Don't put your limited personality onto me. I'm not a generic fuck-wit. I legitimately believed that these guys could do the crime to someone else and that they should be stopped for it.

One interesting thing here is.... the amount of people that have not agreed with you that you've accused of being trolls. No, they are not trolls, they are participating in a conversation you've started.

What you have done is NOT justice!!

Stop trying to palm it off as justice you massively righteous twit.

You got annoyed with someone for being an arse. That I can understand and support you for. People annoy me all the time. At the end I deal with it though and weigh up the greater situation and generally move on.

Everything that followed from those guys acting like twats is on YOU. YOU stopping to shout what ever you did is YOU wanting revenge/being stupid. YOU got choked because YOU wanted to tell people off! YOU didn't have the sense to drive away.

YOU instigated a situation by stopping and aggravating a bunch of twats that were clearly looking for trouble.

Congratulations. YOU got retribution by chastising some yobs who wanted chastising so they could ruff some Billy Big Boots up.

In case YOU didn't guess... YOU are Billy Big Boots.

 

[Rastien]

Just a heads up Different laws in the US i believe its illegal to drive a certain amount below the speed limit or some such. No such law in the UK, the victim can be contested just because OP posted doesn't mean he was the victim it's only here say.

Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.

You still didn't read above. The other driver stopped in the middle of the road entirely. The speed zone was 60km/h btw residential, I went to overtake (because there didn't SEEM to be anyone on the other side) and as I did he MATCHED my speed whether I was speeding up or slowing down.

Why are you hell bent on trolling me?

Dude, regardless of that you decided to stop and have a go, then got smacked are you saying that if you hadn't stopped and got strangled you still would have decided to call the police?

 

[Jewrean]

Just a heads up Different laws in the US i believe its illegal to drive a certain amount below the speed limit or some such. No such law in the UK, the victim can be contested just because OP posted doesn't mean he was the victim it's only here say.

Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.

You still didn't read above. The other driver stopped in the middle of the road entirely. The speed zone was 60km/h btw residential, I went to overtake (because there didn't SEEM to be anyone on the other side) and as I did he MATCHED my speed whether I was speeding up or slowing down.

Why are you hell bent on trolling me?

Dude, regardless of that you decided to stop and have a go, then got smacked are you saying that if you hadn't stopped and got strangled you still would have decided to call the police?

Yes. Every time I see someone driving dangerously I report it. No one ever contacts me back though.

 

[Jewrean]

Stuff

But they are, they aren't sticking to the actual question. Regardless of who 'instigated' the crime, a crime took place. Therefore, it should be looked into or officially put to rest. Not ignored. Instead, a lot of you are simply bashing my actions when they are irrelevant.

Some people have sided with you but didn't do it in a condescending way, then they proceeded to give what they thought was constructive advice. They aren't trolls. They are trying to further the discussion in a positive way.

And yes... it is justice. Yet again, I'm not like you. Your world view isn't the same as everyone else so stop attaching it to everything and calling it logical. You are applying your experiences to others (which would normally count as advice) but then putting a negative spin on it by commenting only on my actions and not of the police.

This isn't some internet arguement contest where the person who is MOST right gets a prize. There's no point telling me off because I'm unashamed of my actions, I started a dialogue based purely on the actions of the police, which is in the title.

It also sounds to me that if you think this is all about pride, then you mustn't have any yourself... you're criticizing me for standing up for what I think is right... I imagine (being a human being) that you would also stand up for what you think is right but just in a different way. Why sit there criticizing my way of standing up for what I believe in (my personality, my very way of being) when I'm clearly not listening to your 'logic'? Not everyone conforms to your sense of logic just like not everyone conforms to my sense of logic.

In a way, I was doing the same thing to them. But there's a difference here of course:
-They broke the laws of he land
-They endangered other peoples lives on purpose (their beliefs therefore become null and void)

 

[Jewrean]

That is why you call the police to report a dangerous driver. You try to take matters into your own hands and, well.. some asshole takes your neck into HIS hands.

In truth, I did not want to stop so I could yell at them. I pulled over to the side of the round-about because it was the turn off to my house and I didn't want them to know where I lived. They could of kept on driving but instead stopped in the middle of the round about blocking me off and blocking the traffic behind us.

It's not like I was hunting them down to yell at them as many of you seem to think I was. I didn't want to be tail-gated to where I lived (just around the corner). Stopping was the only thing I could think of.

And unless the crime is still actually happening, I'm never ringing the police again seeming as I know nothing will be done.

 

[gideonkain]

Stopping on the side of the road to yell at strangers is stupid, nothing can possibly be resolved in that manner. In the future if you meet crazies on the road, decelerate. Don't worry, you still get to call yourself a "man".

Why do you assume this is testosterone fueled? It's the principal of the thing.

The "principal", pssh. --please, it's pridefulness.

"Nobody is gonna 'diss me!"

No... maybe in your mind. I actually believe in justice. Don't put your limited personality onto me. I'm not a generic fuck-wit. I legitimately believed that these guys could do the crime to someone else and that they should be stopped for it.

Limited personality? As opposed to an "unlimited personality"?
When you arrange words, try to make them into a coherent thought.

I legitimately believe those guys will commit more crimes too - but here's the thing Batman: Standing up for what your believe in isn't automatically "courageous".

You acted stupid, got your pride hurt, got *****-slapped on the side of the road for it and regardless of the Police's lack of response the whole incident could have been easily avoided.

Now you must live with the fact that you acted like a fool in response to other's acting like fools.

If this happens again a few years from now when you, your wife and two children are in the car, I wouldn't be surprised if your thirst for "justice" gets not only you, but your loved ones hurt as well.

 

[Jewrean]

Limited personality? As opposed to an "unlimited personality"?
When you arrange words, try to make them into a coherent thought.

I legitimately believe those guys will commit more crimes too - but here's the thing Batman: Standing up for what your believe in isn't automatically "courageous".

You acted stupid, got your pride hurt, got *****-slapped on the side of the road for it and regardless of the Police's lack of response the whole incident could have been easily avoided.

Now you must live with the fact that you acted like a fool in response to other's acting like fools.

If this happens again a few years from now when you, your wife and two children are in the car, I wouldn't be surprised if your thirst for "justice" gets not only you, but your loved ones hurt as well.

1) Don't grammar Nazi.
2) Read my most recent post.
3) Yet again, not about pride. Fool.
4) I could explain my reasoning, yet again. But I won't seeming as you won't read it. Keep thinking you're taking the logical high-road all you want. It's all just opinion at the end of the day and what we are both saying is making no difference to the world around us.

 

[gideonkain]

Limited personality? As opposed to an "unlimited personality"?
When you arrange words, try to make them into a coherent thought.

I legitimately believe those guys will commit more crimes too - but here's the thing Batman: Standing up for what your believe in isn't automatically "courageous".

You acted stupid, got your pride hurt, got *****-slapped on the side of the road for it and regardless of the Police's lack of response the whole incident could have been easily avoided.

Now you must live with the fact that you acted like a fool in response to other's acting like fools.

If this happens again a few years from now when you, your wife and two children are in the car, I wouldn't be surprised if your thirst for "justice" gets not only you, but your loved ones hurt as well.

1) Don't grammar Nazi.
2) Read my most recent post.
3) Yet again, not about pride. Fool.
4) I could explain my reasoning, yet again. But I won't seeming as you won't read it. Keep thinking you're taking the logical high-road all you want. It's all just opinion at the end of the day and what we are both saying is making no difference to the world around us.

1) It's not "Grammar Nazi" to point out that your logic is flawed.
2) I did, now instead of you pulling over to confront them, it was them pulling over, blocking all traffic on the road. What's next? They did a 180 degree e-break slide at 60mph and one of them hung out the window brandishing an RPG?
3) You say "justice", 9 out of 10 of responders to this thread say "pride"
4) No difference, huh? My words will be with you for days or even weeks ahead, whether you admit it or not. If I hadn't made an impression, you wouldn't have responded. You might just *think* next time an entirely avoidable situation arises.

EDIT: Sorry, I did not mean to insinuate that I have wormed my way into your head. What I mean is that being a human with a memory you won't forget. Just as I won't forget this cautionary tale about road rage you've told.

 

[fletch_talon]

After a failed suicide attempt, a cop tried to cuff my 17 year old girlfriend. Technically, this is what he was supposed to do (She was under 18 and tried to slash her wrists, technically that counts as knife crime). I stopped him, he chilled out and asked her to sit in the back of his car (With the door wide open) and calm down.

But because he reached for his cuffs, because of his general aggressive manner, I reported him to his higher ups. I got a few phonecalls, letters, signed things off, did a phone interview and he was put on suspension for being a moron. That is how things should go and it made me happy that in the UK you can ***** about things like that, even though he technically did nothing whatsoever wrong, yada yada.

Wow...
Congratulations, you got a guy put on suspension for doing his job which involved protecting your girlfriend (even if its from herself).

You even specifically state that "technically" he did what he was supposed to do, what he has been told to do in such situations, and yet you're proud of the fact that he got shit on for it.

If you'd gotten the established procedure changed so that he wasn't "technically" required to handcuff attempted suicide cases then it'd be a whole different thing.

Too bad if your girlfriend found something sharp on her way to the car, then the cop would get shit on for not following procedure.

EDIT:
And now when I re-read the post I see that there is the easily missed reference to "aggressive manner". Try placing more emphasis on this point in the future, it strongly changes the moral of the story.

It was the general aggression. I didn't want to dwell too much on the actual event but, well, here goes.

I called an ambulance (And did what I could to sort out the whole "Bleeding from her wrists" thing) and was told to go and wait for it at the end of the road. We were not told anything about a cop being called. Out of nowhere (He appeared in an unmarked car) the guy was suddenly there, he was rather insulting "Now what have you gone and done to yourself" and he immediately reached for his cuffs, said something along the lines of "I am going to have to cuff you".

Bearing in mind she was a terrified 17 year old it was all a bit ridiculous. She was not in a position to harm anyone, she could have very easily been restrained had she tried to. Plus, as I tried to make clear, I had already searched her and removed the pencil sharpener blade she had used on herself.

Oh, and I did try to get how this sort of case is dealt with changed. It was a large part of my complaint. But getting how this sort of situation is dealt with changed is pretty bloody impossible. Oh, and to be utterly frank, the guy was suspended thanks to my reporting how he acted. Not for the way he acted necessarily, but because he failed to file a report on the situation so my word on his aggressive behavior immediately overturned any of his defense.

Fun Fact: Suicide is not illegal in the UK yet trying to kill yourself CAN lead to criminal convictions. There was a case of a Scottish lady who as given an ASBO and banned from "Jumping infront of trains or into bodies of water." so if she ever manages to sort herself out she is still effectively unemployable for the next 5 years.

The real moral I was trying to get at (I just derailed myself again) is that if you follow correct procedure, you can make your voice heard.

See now, that makes more sense, sorry to make you revisit it.
The worst part now that you've explained what happened is that this guy apparently thought apprehension with handcuffs took priority over her medical wellbeing.
Paramedics or ambulance should have been first to look at her, the cop should have only been at hand to ensure she didn't hurt herself in the meantime (without making existing wounds worse by encasing them with metal).

 

[ElPatron]

if I followed this up with "And then he took out his baton and sodomized her" you would somehow go "Well its protocol!".

Not protocol. If the best thing you can come up with is Slippery Slopes then you did right in ending the argument.

 

[ElPatron]

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Your whole argument is based on the fact that she is your relative and you know her.

Now think about me. I am a police officer now. A person tries to kill herself (a person who I don't know at all) which obviously means that something isn't alright. People just don't attempt suicide out of nowhere.

Should I restrain her and get sucker punched by a relative, or should I risk having my carry weapon stolen and shot?

I'll follow protocol, specially because I can get in trouble for not doing so. And truth be told, it has been established that the police are not actually responsible for saving your life, so I won't care if someone will face the added trauma of being cuffed.

Look, the whole point of a protocol is "not getting in trouble". When seconds matter, if you ask a police officer to take a few minutes to think PEOPLE. WILL. DIE.

Protocols exist so that you can respond faster and more efficiently. You're complaining that police officers are "robots". If policemen humanize the situations they face, their job is a lot harder and they will treat people differently instead of trying to be unbiased. People will get away with lots of things if they start reasoning all police officers.

I don't blame the Dutch for Srebrenica. I can't blame anyone who wasn't directly responsible for the outcome.

I don't blame the UN forces for not shooting when people are being whacked with machetes in front of them.

 

[ElPatron]

One: Girlfriend. Outside of whatever village you live in, people do not date people who are related to them.

Misread it and thought she was your sister, damn it. But hell, you're a hot-headed person, aren't you?

Two: I live in the UK.

But I don't. And someone who just attempted suicide is a threat to everyone.

Three: Any man who stands by and watches innocent people get slaughtered or allows them to be marched off to certain death is a bastard. Protocol should not be followed.

I am human. I look after myself and my own first. If my job is not on the line, you bet I will intervene.

If my actions mean that me and my subordinates will lose their job and possibly be killed... The hell with the victims.
This coming from a very vengeful person.

Cops are legally obligated to help people. So you are incorrect.

Find any court ruling that establishes that police officers are responsible for your life.

If what you said was true then it would open the doors to crazy legal action blaming police officers that were just doing their job.

And if you are a copper you should do what you feel is right.

No. My morals should not intervene in the situation otherwise I would refuse to arrest a poor guy who just robbed a millionaire.

Everyone has different morals and if there is no protocol everyone will be biased towards certain people.

Treating someone who has tried to end their life the same as someone who has tried to stab someone is fucking insane.

She used the knife on "someone".

Protocol which means that peacekeepers are unable to be peacekeepers is fucking dumb.

Si vis pacem para bellum. The only true peacekeepers are warfighters. I don't give a flying rat's ass about the UN, with all due respect to the Blue Helmets.