The Political Compass test!

[Chrisscogg_teh_Newbie]

I appear to be a little more conservative than most of my fellow escapists, but I've seen similar results. Surely we can all remain friends, right?

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.25&soc=-1.90

Here's the other test. Seems accurate.

http://www.theadvocates.org/images/bd/quiz/red_dots/80_100.gif?1351125729

 

[MammothBlade]

My views are hard to describe with a label, but Progressive Individualist is acceptable. I favour strong individual freedom, to the point of eliminating victimless crimes; and a mixed economy - balancing good welfare and a healthy free market. I'm neither pro nor anti-business, but I think deregulation and privatisation are generally bad, most public services & utilities shouldn't be run by the private sector, and so on. In return, sales taxes and national insurance should be abolished and the minimum wage should be replaced by either negative income tax or guaranteed minimum income.

Though I have more typically "right-wing" views when it comes to crime and foreign policy - pro-capital punishment, pro-intervention. Freedom and prosperity are hard won, and shouldn't be left to chance either domestically or internationally.

 

[Johnny Impact]

On the other hand, I am hugely in favor of the death penalty for serious crimes. Some folks just aren't going to rehabilitate, no matter how much time, counseling, incarceration, etc is spent on them. When you get weeds in your garden, you don't carefully move them to their own little plot, where they receive more time and resources than the plants you ostensibly want to keep. You pull the weeds, throw them over your shoulder, and don't spare them another thought. The left likes to whine about compassion. I have loads of compassion. I just have it for the victims.

There's an issue with what you're saying. It costs more for us to use the death penalty on prisoners on death row than it costs to just keep them in prison, thanks to the many levels of appeals and so forth. But we can't cut down on our appeals process, because we already let innocent people be killed with the death penalty.

I agree that the victims should receive our compassion, not hardcore criminals that are not able to be rehabilitated. But the cost of killing innocents and the cost of money dictates that we cannot continue the death penalty.

Would you be happy if you learned your new neighbor had brutally killed four people without provocation, but was out of jail after just a few years because prisons are overcrowded and it was "too expensive" to put him to death? What are you going to say to the friends and family of his next four victims....assuming of course that you aren't one of them?

You say we cannot continue the death penalty. I say murderers cannot walk our streets. I know it's expensive to kill them. That's why we need to reform the system. We don't need to do away with capital punishment, we need to do away with red tape.

As for killing innocent people, the only way to ensure innocents were never punished would be never to punish anyone for anything, ever. I think we can agree that doesn't work. In the real world we simply have to accept that punishment is necessary and errors will be made. From there, we decide on an appropriate level of punishment and an acceptable level of error. I guess we just differ on what's appropriate and acceptable.

 

[Scipio1770]

the quiz has quite a few libertarian loaded questions, not very accurate for testing social leanings.

 

[swani24]

Lol, im right down the middle. First Purple square!

Economic Left/Right: 0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.46

 

[Niflhel]

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

No real surprise there.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Spoiler

Seems I'm even more Libertarian than the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela.
Means bugger-all to me, mind you.

 

[deserteagleeye]

I'm pretty much spot-on dalai lama

 

[Simalacrum]

I appear to be a little more liberal/left wing than a lot of people here? which is saying something

 

[theultimateend]

Not sure how to link the image but apparently these are my results:

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Not so surprising really considering my out look on life.

Edit - ty for info Folji

Spoiler

The difference between almost dead and dead is subtle but important enough that you should be much more averse to one than the other.

Not saying one of them is death, but subtle differences can mean very big outcomes.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

I'm out in the greener pasture.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Spoiler: Zen

Spoiler: Johnny

On the other hand, I am hugely in favor of the death penalty for serious crimes. Some folks just aren't going to rehabilitate, no matter how much time, counseling, incarceration, etc is spent on them. When you get weeds in your garden, you don't carefully move them to their own little plot, where they receive more time and resources than the plants you ostensibly want to keep. You pull the weeds, throw them over your shoulder, and don't spare them another thought. The left likes to whine about compassion. I have loads of compassion. I just have it for the victims.

There's an issue with what you're saying. It costs more for us to use the death penalty on prisoners on death row than it costs to just keep them in prison, thanks to the many levels of appeals and so forth. But we can't cut down on our appeals process, because we already let innocent people be killed with the death penalty.

I agree that the victims should receive our compassion, not hardcore criminals that are not able to be rehabilitated. But the cost of killing innocents and the cost of money dictates that we cannot continue the death penalty.

Would you be happy if you learned your new neighbor had brutally killed four people without provocation, but was out of jail after just a few years because prisons are overcrowded and it was "too expensive" to put him to death? What are you going to say to the friends and family of his next four victims....assuming of course that you aren't one of them?

You say we cannot continue the death penalty. I say murderers cannot walk our streets. I know it's expensive to kill them. That's why we need to reform the system. We don't need to do away with capital punishment, we need to do away with red tape.

As for killing innocent people, the only way to ensure innocents were never punished would be never to punish anyone for anything, ever. I think we can agree that doesn't work. In the real world we simply have to accept that punishment is necessary and errors will be made. From there, we decide on an appropriate level of punishment and an acceptable level of error. I guess we just differ on what's appropriate and acceptable.

Thank you for providing a perfect example of the false dichotomy.

Also, I said "keep them in prison". I never, ever, EVER said that we should just let unrepentant, unrehabilitated mass murderers walk the streets whilly nilly. Please do not put words in my mouth. If you continue to do so then you have made it clear that you are not arguing in good faith and are unworthy of having a civilized discussion.

Anyways, on to your legitimate points:

I know it's expensive to kill them. That's why we need to reform the system. We don't need to do away with capital punishment, we need to do away with red tape.

First of all, we have executed 1312 people since 1973[footnote]sourcey source [http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf][/footnote]. During the same timeframe, we have released 141 inmates from death row because they have been proven innocent (not on a technicality, honest-to-god innocent)[footnote]another sourcey source [http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty][/footnote]. That means that for every 10 people we have killed, we have found one to be completely innocent.

You cut away that red tape, we murder countless innocents. This also ties into your next point:

As for killing innocent people, the only way to ensure innocents were never punished would be never to punish anyone for anything, ever. I think we can agree that doesn't work. In the real world we simply have to accept that punishment is necessary and errors will be made.

We can both agree that punishing the innocent is bad, and for a dozen reasons.[footnote]not the least of which is the fact that it allows the true criminal to get away scott free with their crime[/footnote] However, there is a difference between jailing an innocent and killing an innocent - you can be released from jail. You can't be brought back to life. Besides, what harm do you honestly think a serial killer / rapist / whatever can do from jail?

 

[seventy two]

Spoiler

See where Friedman is? That is me but I am a bit farther right.

On that other test(I think it is a worse test)

Spoiler

I am pretty libertarian, I prefer my government to be practically non-existent.

 

[Evil Smurf]

<spoiler=Evil Smurf is a dirty commie

<spoiler=2nd website, http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz>the other test
Evil Smurf's issues Score is 80%
Evil Smurf's issues Score is 40%
http://www.theadvocates.org/images/bd/quiz/red_dots/80_40.gif?1351125729

I prefer the second test that you've brought to the table. It is more straight forward and makes more sense.

The first test the OP brought had bad wording and too many almost moral ultimatum type questions that where pretty close to: Should we kill all the babies? Plus the listing of famous people board for the test is stupid, because Obama and Romney should be nowhere near each other.

50% personal
100% economic(Yeah! A+ on economics, at least that is how I think it should work).

I knew I was mostly conservative. I'm of course very vocal about freedom. Though I think that National ID card bit had no place in the personal freedom section. Of course we need a National ID card is needed, we already have them, and they make sense because being able to cheat systems because nobody knows who you are, is not a part of personal freedom.

So in that case, I should at least be 70% on freedom and not 50%.

Though right now looking at you Evil Smurf, considering we are on near opposite ends of the political spectrum, it is the law that we must get together and have a fist fight. =P

Edit: Yeah, I can post again. Some stupid program had attached itself onto my PC and interfered with the sites posting mechanics. I had to delete sections of it out of its program folder to get the uninstall for it to work; I guess it had anti-uninstall fail-safes. Now I've got to find out who's been messing with my computer.

What is a National ID card? Is it a passport?

I am too much of a pacifist to fight anyone But I wrote you a poem:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
You are wrong,
Ergo you are stupid.

like it?

 

[recurve6]

Spoiler

Practically exactly as I had predicted.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

What is a National ID card? Is it a passport?

Most National ID card schemes have been essentially compulsory photographic ID cards with all your information on it and all stored in a central database that all government departments (and probably corporate these days) can access.

Used to be a big issue but these days, seeing as you can't even fart in public without photographic ID it's fallen off the Panic List.

 

[Evil Smurf]

What is a National ID card? Is it a passport?

Most National ID card schemes have been essentially compulsory photographic ID cards with all your information on it and all stored in a central database that all government departments (and probably corporate these days) can access.

Used to be a big issue but these days, seeing as you can't even fart in public without photographic ID it's fallen off the Panic List.

That is not a thing in Australia

 

[josemlopes]

So basicly we are all very close to Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela, and people still say that games and movies are all about the violence...

 

[Sleepy Sol]

Spoiler: Here you go

Uh...not EXACTLY what I was expecting (but not too far off either). I guess I do go along with the general consensus of The Escapist on the questions that were asked...

Left/Right: -4.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82