The Raptor is dead.
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Wasn't one of the reasons the new fighters were unnecessary because there were already unused F-22, and that buying more be a waste of money?
THIS.scotth266 said:
It's not so much that they're trying to save money by canceling the Raptor. I can live with that. We do need healthcare and better education, afterall. But no, they're taking that money, and blowing it on an inferior jet. The defense budget actually INCREASED this year.
And personally, I doubt the F-22 would cost 140 million a pop if Lockheed didn't try to buy Senate votes by splitting the production to 40 different states.
Despite what your favourite RTS might hypothetsise, China won't be fighting the US in our lifetime. There'll always be a hint of tension, but China and the US have a symbiotic relationship which it's in China's best interests to keep as smooth-running as possible. They're just regular folks like you and they don't have a death wish any more than the USA does.
The real security threat to the US right now is rising fundamentalism across the globe (and China is one country where this ISN'T a problem). This is best fought with diplomacy, education, higher standards of living worldwide, and a good intelligence network. I know that sounds very uncool and not as appealing as "let's blow up stuff" but it's true. We live in an age where some guys with box-cutters and a little bit of flight training can kill thousands of people, and where an IED made out of $10 parts can destroy an armoured vehicle worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. The USA is already strong, it doesn't need more money on military strength, it can handle anything around the globe that requires brute military force and will be able to for many years to come. The problems it faces today are not of that nature, so that money they were going to spend on F-22s (that would have probably just sat idly in their hangars until Air Show time) is better used in directly fighting the kinds of wars that the USA sees itself in currently rather than preparing for some hypothetical future situation which probably won't exist for at least another 50 years, in which time the F-99zqt Raptor Plus with gold stripes will be out and will kick everything's ass. It's a smart decision on every level although yeah spending it on another jet is a bit strange. I'm not jet expert so I can't comment on that.
The real security threat to the US right now is rising fundamentalism across the globe (and China is one country where this ISN'T a problem). This is best fought with diplomacy, education, higher standards of living worldwide, and a good intelligence network. I know that sounds very uncool and not as appealing as "let's blow up stuff" but it's true. We live in an age where some guys with box-cutters and a little bit of flight training can kill thousands of people, and where an IED made out of $10 parts can destroy an armoured vehicle worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. The USA is already strong, it doesn't need more money on military strength, it can handle anything around the globe that requires brute military force and will be able to for many years to come. The problems it faces today are not of that nature, so that money they were going to spend on F-22s (that would have probably just sat idly in their hangars until Air Show time) is better used in directly fighting the kinds of wars that the USA sees itself in currently rather than preparing for some hypothetical future situation which probably won't exist for at least another 50 years, in which time the F-99zqt Raptor Plus with gold stripes will be out and will kick everything's ass. It's a smart decision on every level although yeah spending it on another jet is a bit strange. I'm not jet expert so I can't comment on that.
It's much easier to lock down an area with Apaches than it is to spend billions on old-fashioned, bunker-mentality "super weapons".
Hey, US government and taxpayers! It's me, education! I see you've taken out $1.75 billion from the defense's budget! Ya know, me and NSF funding were thinking, ya know, since we've been hurting and you've been, well, taking from everyone else, if you could give us back some of the money you "borrowed." I mean, you've got more than enough, and we're struggling to pay the bills and break even after rent.
Yeah, North Korea by itself can't do anything, but it has a very big ally to the North that went to war against us for it in the past. And Russia has already invaded a nation because it felt threatened that it wanted NATO membership.xmetatr0nx said:
Well either way, I'd just like to be ready for a just-in-case scenario. Afterall, I'd rather have them and not need them, than need them, and not have them. And it's not like the money is going towards worthwhile domestic projects. It's going to an inferior jet. Which is still useless in guerrilla wars.
my point is that they are STILL MAKING B-2s, some of the stuff they say is blatant lies, he is trying to cut costs? cut the B-2, cut the huge nuclear subs. they are going to stop making a plane that is more economical than another, the replacement they are suggesting is a slow, fuel hogging bastard, even while he is mentioning all this GO GREEN bullshit. but they still produce the plane that costs $1,200,000,000 , and what they are doing is spending TRILLIONS of dollars, and are nitpicking away things that don't need nit picked they need to stop spending and cutting things that are fine as they are, all this crap is NOT helping its only causing more trouble and controversyodubya23 said:
to every one else
AND yes, i am biased against him, he]is policies are not that horrible, but he tries to hide things, he has been caught in blatant lies and he is trying to force things on people who don't want them forced on them. I don't like him. period.
Because you can't buy peace, but you can buy something that will scare the entire planet into never fucking with you or your allies. That's why the Americans are so afraid of terrorists, terrorists aren't intimidated by these things and they can't be bought.Chiefmon said:
I was referring to the F-35A variant the Air Force is going to use. The one without the lift fan and landing hooks. I haven't heard about whether or not the Marines are getting more F-35B variants (which I approve of, but personally wonder if it wouldn't be better if we just built more attack helos).xmetatr0nx said:
You're more than ready. How many F-22's you got? 187 you say? They are cancelling 7 more. Well fuck me, you're totally screwed now aren't you? In fact you'd be pretty fucked with only 7 more...I reckon you need at least another couple of hundred, I think you should write to your senator and complain.SilentHunter7 said:
That canceling only 7 jets figure is misleading. Congress originally passed funding for 450 F-22s by 2010, with the chance to order more if they wanted to. Then they turned that into a build them as they go plan (Which ironically costs more per jet than if they just went into full production mode). Now they scrapped that in favor of the Joint Strike Fighter program, and extending the service length of our 35 year old fleet of F-15's and 16'sscumofsociety said:
Don't blame Obama. Blame Bush Jr. deficit spending sending us so far into the pit that we've got to make up that slack somewhere. Fancy new jets are just one of the first thing to get the axe. You want jets so badly? Don't be in a hurry to get your taxes cut next time, seeing how they pay for them.
