The Reaper Discussion Thread (Mass Effect 2 Spoilers!)

[Ex_ery]

MIRANDA is hot.

And her betrayal of the Illusive Man at the end was awesome.
quote] She betrayed the Illusive man for you? Hmmm I never trusted those cerberus bastards enough to get her to do that. By the way I was almost 100% paragon don't know if that changes anything.


and as a bounus what does ashly do if she's still alive in the 2nd game?

Edit:sorry about the double post

Yeah, I did Miranda's loyalty quest and had paragon at 100%. When the shit hit the fan w/r/t Cerberus at the end, she stood by me. It was awesome. The only reason I started to trust her was after her loyalty mission and the Illusive Man's commentary blurb in the mission summary after you finish it. Before, I was really hesitant.

What does Ashley do? Well, if in your game she's dead, I'm sure Kaiden was doing whatever Ashley was doing in my game. Since you don't exactly part on the best of terms, I would love to see some rivalry with Shepard in the third game and a reconciliation late in the day.

I know with my plthg ash was my ME1 romance, and if you are unfaithful you put the picture frame face down on the desk in your cabin. If not, on your way to omega4 you sit there quietly contemplating looking at it. Since after she is yells/upset with you on horizon she sends you a message apologizing and telling you she cant lose you a second time, etc. My guess would be you get an opportunity to get back together in ME3--presuming you don't f'it up by being unfaithful.

Also, you can finish me2 without doing any romance's, then *continue playing* and do them if you want multiple saves with different choices going into ME3.



edit: so i did multiple tries at the *ventilation shaft* bit, and that person died each time.. did I just send the wrong person or what?
---info: all loyal except jack (due to argument w/miranda), both mordin and thane died trying to close the door when they were the tech specialist.

 

[sh0tgunenclave]

I agree. Mordin is cool, but a bit too high strung.
And for the record, it was Thane who had the illness.

 

[Distorted Stu]

I never notcied the thing about a bigger threat? I wonder what it could be? THE GREYS??!!!
I remeber someone in game saying they only made a Human Reaper because the Prothean Reaper failed. I wonder if the start taking other species n Reaper them up in another location?

Random idea, but: Maybe the Reapers moved the Mass Effect Relay into the galaxy's core to stop the "greater threat" getting to the relay? In turn saving the galaxy?

Also another random idea: GALAXY WAR! Some sort of super relay maybe made by the Propheans or the Reapers? Highly unlikey mind, because they would have to travel to another galaxy to establish the link.

P.S - What is it that Thane calls you after the suicide mission? I wonder what it means? I guess i have to wait till ME3..

 

[Snowalker]

But we don't know what they look like aside from the fact they have eyes and a nose.

We know they're predominantly humanoid, the only thing we can't see is the face. It's not because they're alien that they have to look like Salarians or Turians, just look at the Asari.

Did you stick around that bachelor party on Illium? They Salarian saw the Asari as looking like Salarians, the Turian thought she looked Turian, and Humans thought she looked like a human. I don't think Asris look the way we think they do, they could be pulling a mental trick to make each race think they are attractive, to increase diversity.

 

[Snowalker]

But we don't know what they look like aside from the fact they have eyes and a nose.

We know they're predominantly humanoid, the only thing we can't see is the face. It's not because they're alien that they have to look like Salarians or Turians, just look at the Asari.

Did you stick around that bachelor party on Illium? They Salarian saw the Asari as looking like Salarians, the Turian thought she looked Turian, and Humans thought she looked like a human. I don't think Asris look the way we think they do, they could be pulling a mental trick to make each race think they are attractive, to increase diversity.

Yeah I did. I was laughing my ass off at most of their dialog. There was also the Turian guy in the bar who was trying to get into a Quarian's pants (suit) as she was telling him about her jerk human ex-boyfriend. And she had a vibrator built into her suit!

But yes, the Asari do look attractive to every race since, to them, being a pure blooded is bad, but it has no bearing on the potential appearance of Quarians. I was just saying that it's not because they're alien that they can't look attractive to us and I used the game's visual representation of Asari as one example.

Aye, I just felt like throwing my theory into a response, yours felt like the one I could string it together with.

 

[Spiner909]

MIRANDA is hot.

And her betrayal of the Illusive Man at the end was awesome.
quote] She betrayed the Illusive man for you? Hmmm I never trusted those cerberus bastards enough to get her to do that. By the way I was almost 100% paragon don't know if that changes anything.


and as a bounus what does ashly do if she's still alive in the 2nd game?

Edit:sorry about the double post

Yeah, I did Miranda's loyalty quest and had paragon at 100%. When the shit hit the fan w/r/t Cerberus at the end, she stood by me. It was awesome. The only reason I started to trust her was after her loyalty mission and the Illusive Man's commentary blurb in the mission summary after you finish it. Before, I was really hesitant.

What does Ashley do? Well, if in your game she's dead, I'm sure Kaiden was doing whatever Ashley was doing in my game. Since you don't exactly part on the best of terms, I would love to see some rivalry with Shepard in the third game and a reconciliation late in the day.

I know with my plthg ash was my ME1 romance, and if you are unfaithful you put the picture frame face down on the desk in your cabin. If not, on your way to omega4 you sit there quietly contemplating looking at it. Since after she is yells/upset with you on horizon she sends you a message apologizing and telling you she cant lose you a second time, etc. My guess would be you get an opportunity to get back together in ME3--presuming you don't f'it up by being unfaithful.

Also, you can finish me2 without doing any romance's, then *continue playing* and do them if you want multiple saves with different choices going into ME3.



edit: so i did multiple tries at the *ventilation shaft* bit, and that person died each time.. did I just send the wrong person or what?
---info: all loyal except jack (due to argument w/miranda), both mordin and thane died trying to close the door when they were the tech specialist.

Use Legion. He can usually do it one try, provided he is loyal.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

A thought, remember when EDI says the human-reaper was in a state similar to the embryonic stage of humans? So, technically your aborting the human-reaper right?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I love how this thread derailed from a theory discussion and into a Tali appreciation thread.

That's been happening to a lot of threads.

OT:

My guess is that the reapers are dying, and need to find ways to evolve and rebuild themselves using other species' DNA.

Speaking of which, that was one epic boss fight. It was even bigger than the final Dead Space boss.

 

[Squaseghost]

Off topic: Tali is hot.

Is it me or do people on this site have a thing for Tali?

I don't know what everyone's deal is, sheesh

 

[whycantibelinus]

Off topic: Tali is hot.

I disagree. Tali, having a girl next door/have known her for a very long time vibe, is more sweet and emotionally available than hot, attractive yes, but hot? No, one does not degrade such a beautiful specimen of female excellence by just calling her "hot".

OT: The Reapers may or may not be harvesting the galaxy to preserve and what not, the fact is that they absolutely decimate individuality, which is what makes organic beings so great (also which has allowed humanity to progress so far so quickly within galactic society, if you payed attention to the story.) If anything, which I'd call everything, has to do with the meat and potatoes of the Mass Effect story, it's that humanity is an extreme anomaly within galactic evolution and thus the "pinnacle" of organic evolution........within the Mass Effect story. That's my opinion of the Mass Effect story.

It was even bigger than the final Dead Space boss.

Not that it was a huge spoiler, but I had no idea about anything having to do with the final Dead Space boss man. Now I'm expecting something huge.

Just because a thread says it is a spoiler fest for a certain game doesn't mean you can just give spoilers for other games.

 

[Jenova65]

Shame you can't dance with your party members in Omega....and by dance I mean lap dance. By lap dance I mean shove my assault rifle into her air filter.

Everybody survived.

Was disappointed that you couldn't get a good view of the Asari strippers in ME2. xD

Shame you can't dance with your party members in Omega....and by dance I mean lap dance. By lap dance I mean shove my assault rifle into her air filter.

Everybody survived.

Was disappointed that you couldn't get a good view of the Asari strippers in ME2. xD

Well you can for a few seconds if you tip them.

I guess in ME2 it's all about the ass though.

Miranda's ass, the strippers asses, although Shepherds ass is rarely used to full potential in any scene.

Well it's nice to see people staying right 'on topic'! ;-)
Regarding Harbinger saying that..
''Harb, near the end, shouts something about how the Reapers are the only thing standing between the galaxy and an even worse threat.'', I am a bit deaf the subtitles are really small (thanks Bioware) and didn't catch that line. Also was interested til you said 'gigantanormous', then I lost all respect for you ;-)
Interesting topic I'm just going to read all the replies now

 

[Casual Shinji]

MIRANDA is hot.

I still find it odd how Shepard wears this badass space armor yet other team members are walking around in skin tight body suits or just a couple of belts strapped across their nipples.

I don't really know what to say about the Reapers since my mind always stops working when I see Miranda's bubble-wrap body suit.

 

[Jenova65]

at the beginning of the game, the sun behind the Illusive Man is orange, but by the last cut scene it is blue.

The sun reflects your alignment(Renegade or Paragon). Cerberus has nothing to do with the sun burning up.

Looks like I got told. Haven't had time to do a second playthrough yet. Dammit, but my theory was more awesome. I based my whole end-game major decision on that theory suggesting that Cerberus was up to no good.

It was more awesome, cos the 'real', reason is just silly, as if my behaviour can affect the colour of a sun *tuts*

 

[[Kira Must Die]]

Interesting theory. I never heard Harb say anything about a worse threat, and I'm not sure what could be worse than an army of reapers.

Also, yes, Tali IS hot.

Seems like every ME2 thread has to be about Tali.

 

[Spoonius]

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I get the feeling that the Reapers are collecting humans for a much greater purpose than reproduction. As already mentioned, they're immmortal, and the inclusion of organic material in their makeup could probably be bypassed by such a technologically-evolved race. I was always confused as to why Reapers were half-organic and not fully synthetic... why the hell do they need to incorporate organic components at all?
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Harbinger's line was: "We are your salvation through destruction."
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Does that mean that the Reapers might actually believe that they're ensuring the survival of various species by storing "backup" genetic material? The massive amount of matter contained within each Reaper (millions of humans were to be harvested) is easily enough to maintain and/or reconstruct numerous viable genepools of the species from which it was created, and the Reapers' survivability and sheer power would ensure that the precious organic cargo within each of them would be protected from external harm, even against forces originating from beyond the galactic border. Maybe they're nothing but gigantic, armoured, armed, self-aware gene-storage facilities for some unknown, even higher power...
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Or a second possibility; maybe they're a race of 'hunters'? Maybe, each 50 000 years, they emerge to kill and recover genetic material from all intelligent life in the galaxy? This, to me, seems plausible; modern-day hunters and poachers stalk animals through the wild; when they make a significant kill (such as a bear, lion or moose), they hang the animal's severed head up on thir wall as a trophy. Maybe this is the Reaper equivelent. Once they have their trophy (a construct in the image of the intelligent species used to create it, and containing a massive sample of their collective genetic material) they begin to eradicate all traces of intelligent life. This ensures that when they wake after 50 millenia for their next hunt, the galaxy will be populated by completely new intelligent life forms to stalk, all easy prey for the God-like Reaper fleet.
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Maybe it's even a kind of test; they could be searching for a new species that is adaptable and strong enough to fight back and reist their hunt. Perhaps they are searching for the "perfect organic race", or an "evolutional prodigy"... after all, Sovereign itself stated that the mass relays had initially been created with the sole purpose of forcing new civilisations down the paths the Reapers had intended... who's to say what they were trying to achieve by doing that? It could be an experiment on a galactic scale; when a scientist returns to his project only to find it a complete failure, he/she disposes of it and begins again. According to Sovereign, intelligent life "was an accident". Maybe 'life' is just the Reaper equivelent of 'penicillin', one of the most important medical developments in recent history (and also discovered by accident). Maybe the Reapers CREATED life, and are researching its origins or development, pruning it back to the roots every 50 000 years so that they can repeat their galactic experiment...
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Or maybe they're just cold-hearted, psychopathic, genocidal, mechanical bastards who want to kill everything with a pulse out of sheer spite. Don't forget that possibility.
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As for Tali, I think of her as a sister character, someone for Shepard to protect and help out, and rely upon when in need of support. Just throwing it out there... you know...

 

[Axeli]

edit: so i did multiple tries at the *ventilation shaft* bit, and that person died each time.. did I just send the wrong person or what?
---info: all loyal except jack (due to argument w/miranda), both mordin and thane died trying to close the door when they were the tech specialist.

Ah, but Mordin is a biologist rather than a tech and Thane (while great at crawling through ducts) was never especially skilled hacker. He's more of a balanced character rather than a specialist.

Try Legion or Tali.

 

[LordMoose]

The fact that they say your salvation through destruction could be meaning, "We hate you because you're an organic squishy mcthing, SO we're going to melt you down like common ore and make you, into a REAPER! Congratulations, welcome to the club."

You could just be thinking it through too much believing that the reapers are some sort of Lawful evil/neutral race that is killing us, to keep us from being destroyed by something else even scarier then them(Gurren Lagann Anyone? :3) But rather a hateful melding of machine and rage that believes them on the level of GODS.

As for that, i have a horrifing idea.
Lillith is captured on Horizon and carted off, while Kaiden(or ashley) is taken out just a few feet away from her, yet miraculously is left alone. The reapers are a powerful voice, akin to Sauron in the way they can corrupt people, Kaiden/Ashley was left behind, Because they were indoctrinated.

That is the reason why i blew up the Reaper Base, because it is an infusion of Reaper tech as well. The I.man wanted it so badly, even after the loss of his entire research team at the 'dead' reaper. Anyone who would use the reaper tech or stay at the collector base would be a puppet for the reapers, and turn. With anyluck, the poo fools who kept the base intact will get to shoot an Puppet I.Man when he goes to see the base -.-

I love Tali'Zorah Vas Normandy Nar Rayya ^^ and hey, a genetics company has been working on boosting quarian and volus immune systems and gene makeups to let them walk about without biosuits! >> it is only at a 40% success rate so far though...

 

[XMark]

Tali tali tali tali TALI!

...Anyway....

At the end of Mass Effect 1, I was under the impression that the Reapers' plan was just to keep their dominant position on the galaxy. Like, they realized that if they left other species' technological progress unchecked then some other species might match their level of technology and become a threat to their existence.

So they made the mass relays and the Citadel to ensure that species develop in a predictable way, and that they all use the Citadel as their center of government, therefore making them easy to track down and destroy every cycle and maintain their dominance over the galaxy.

But Mass Effect 2 kinda threw my theory for a loop at the end, with that human Reaper thing. It seems that in addition to wiping out advanced civilizations, they are also using them to create new Reapers... I'm kinda confused as to why they do that. I guess we'll have to wait for Mass Effect 3 to figure that out.