The Reaper Discussion Thread (Mass Effect 2 Spoilers!)

[luciasdark]

does any one else reckon that ilusive man is in actual fact a prothean?

there was a prothean outpost on mars that in game they reckon was used to watch earth. it wasnt attacked by the reapers. he could of hidden there and created the disguise of illusive man as we know him today.

there were a dozen ftl ships on mars he could of used to move around. also he could of been part of the team from Ilos which also created the giant gun that destroyed the derelict reaper.

it would also explain how he has so much power as he probly gained the power over time. he probly tried the same thing with rachni which caused the collectors to go after them which the rachni fought the other races thinking they were the colletors.

i doubt illusive man is the one that the reapers fear but he might have knowledge about it and i think he is the one behind the suns dying, which is why the sun behind him is dying, he is up to something or creating something that can take down the reapers or whatever the reapers are afraid of if anything does exist.

reason for my thinking here is his eyes and his knowledge (which he wont share) about collectors and reapers and why he wants them dead. he didnt react about the fact collectors were protheans. no one knows how long a prothean can live for, member they were playing with genetics etc before they got wiped out. also his eyes give it away since we know that the real protheans had 2 glowing like eyes.

since we know that the protheans could hide from the reapers it would be possible that one did that on mars. also cerberus's testing of rachni and husks in ME1 might be him trying to reduce the ability to disable the hold reapers have over their followers. or maybe he even created humans.....maybe so that they cant be controlled by reapers like the protheans and geth. could explain why only humans are attacked and never controlled like with saren.

i will admit it would be a head screw if it turns out the thing that the reapers fear is actually the illusive man lol, but that would be impossible. the fact that the reapers hide in darkspace might be them trying to hide from this threat till they have the strength. yes it wierd that they would kill a civilization to make a new reaper (old theory was that each reaper was in fact made of each civilization) but that being said its perfectly normal for a race to be misguided and dumb...look at the council

i know its alot of talk but i had to back up my lil theory, illusive man is an ancient true prothean!

 

[blindthrall]

Interesting theory above, but all the remaining Protheans were trapped on the Citadel, so while we might encounter one when we finally explore the guts on the Citadel in ME3 (or at least a corpse), I don't think he's one. Is he the Shadow Broker? Hmmm...

"Salvation through destruction." I took that to mean while all the other races in the galaxy were to be exterminated, humans would be forcibly evolved into a new Reaper. They were saving us from themselves, an honor probably reserved for whatever species kills one of them. "You killed their God. Your code is superior." Makes you wonder which Reaper was constructed from the race that took the Klendagon Shot. Are all the dead worlds, like the Arthenni colonies, the result of Reaping? There are at least half a dozen species spread over a few systems that show evidence of extinction from orbit. Are we to assume Reapers are responsible for every one?

I imagine the big moral choice at the end of the game will be whether to die heroically or become the primary consciousness-program of Pants Mk. II. The Reapers do represent a massive jump evolutionarily for those 'lucky' races that are selected. They are the only realistic way to get out of the Milky Way before it impacts with Andromeda, or to actually colonize the universe outside our galaxy. The universe is just too large for 6-foot tall monkeys who only live a hundred years. Is the exploration and expansion worth the loss of our humanity and individuality? Looking at Nazara this way, certain Sheperds are responsible for permanently eradicating no less than four unique species, and a possible five if you do everything you can to fuck over the Krogan. This all makes wonder if in 50,000 years, an ancient Geth will be found that says, "Sovereign. A title bestowed upon it by organics. Its true name will always be Sheperd."

 

[blindthrall]

To the above post: This has been done before in the Beserkers series.

I personally would love if the Quarians under their mask are Nightmare fuel.

Grunt: Humans, Salarians, Asari, all soft. Quarians, not so much.

They are more like the Turians than anybody else, after all.

 

[OrdinaryGuy]

It seems like the Protheans are just mindless slaves for the Reapers, but remember that the Protheans dominated the galaxy 50,000 years ago. They had a huge population and they were spread across the entire galaxy. Their technology was impressive (they created a working mass relay, which is Reaper technology). Because of this, it took the Reapers centuries to completely wipe them out.

In Mass Effect 2, it turns out the "Human Reaper" would take millions of lives to complete and that the Collectors would have to target Earth. Now, the Protheans were far more populous than humans, so it makes sense that they could have already made a "Prothean Reaper" and still had lots of people left over. The remaining Protheans could then be made to be slaves for the next time the Reapers returned. So, I guess it's possible that they could be preserving each organic species, but if this is true.....

Why were they only making a Human Reaper? Humans are outnumbered by many other races, and if they didn't turn other species into a Reaper, then how would they preserve them? Unless they have some twisted idea of what preservation is (which I think is the case), there's no way for them to successful preserve organic life.

But it could be that they were making the Human Reaper because the Reapers were impressed with Shepard's actions. Thus, they decided to "uplift" the human race into one of their own. This probably doesn't work with the preservation theory though since no other race has been known to ever do the same thing Shepard did. Sovereign even admits to this.

I like the idea of this, but I really doubt it will happen. My guess is that the Reapers were the first organic civilization to evolve in the galaxy and they reached the pinnacle of technology (since they didn't get wiped out every 50,000 years). They turned themselves into Reapers and lost their souls and culture, as Mordin said. Now they are just killing machines, simple as that.

Knowing BioWare, the Reapers are probably doing something that organics could not comprehend. I can't wait to see what's in store for Mass Effect 3.




TL;DR: REAPERS BAD.

Also, I feel obligated to say that Tali is hot.

 

[Mr.Black]

Since when is Tali hot? No one in ME2 is hot, save for Kelly. Miranda is a *****, so is Jack (I made sure they died), and Tali has too much baggage.

WHERE ARE ALL THE BABES BRO?

 

[LogicNProportion]

Off topic: Tali is hot.

Is it me or do people on this site have a thing for Tali?

People everywhere have a thing for Tali. It's unexplained, and gives no warnings. It kind of just happens.

ANYWAY.

I believe that if anyone wishes to predict what will happen at the end of the Mass Effect trilogy, all they need to do is read some Lovecraft.

The whole series thus far reeks of Ctulu. Just sayin'...

 

[Awake-]

MIRANDA is hot.

And her betrayal of the Illusive Man at the end was awesome.
quote] She betrayed the Illusive man for you? Hmmm I never trusted those cerberus bastards enough to get her to do that. By the way I was almost 100% paragon don't know if that changes anything.


and as a bounus what does ashly do if she's still alive in the 2nd game?

Edit:sorry about the double post

Yeah, I did Miranda's loyalty quest and had paragon at 100%. When the shit hit the fan w/r/t Cerberus at the end, she stood by me. It was awesome. The only reason I started to trust her was after her loyalty mission and the Illusive Man's commentary blurb in the mission summary after you finish it. Before, I was really hesitant.

What does Ashley do? Well, if in your game she's dead, I'm sure Kaiden was doing whatever Ashley was doing in my game. Since you don't exactly part on the best of terms, I would love to see some rivalry with Shepard in the third game and a reconciliation late in the day.

I know with my plthg ash was my ME1 romance, and if you are unfaithful you put the picture frame face down on the desk in your cabin. If not, on your way to omega4 you sit there quietly contemplating looking at it. Since after she is yells/upset with you on horizon she sends you a message apologizing and telling you she cant lose you a second time, etc. My guess would be you get an opportunity to get back together in ME3--presuming you don't f'it up by being unfaithful.

Also, you can finish me2 without doing any romance's, then *continue playing* and do them if you want multiple saves with different choices going into ME3.



edit: so i did multiple tries at the *ventilation shaft* bit, and that person died each time.. did I just send the wrong person or what?
---info: all loyal except jack (due to argument w/miranda), both mordin and thane died trying to close the door when they were the tech specialist.

Really old post, but I had to say this. You sent Mordin and Thane to do tech stuff? Mordin is a scientist, chemical, biology and whatnot. Thane is an assassin. Legion is the ultimate hacking machine and is absolutely fearless. Tali has been called a technical genius when she was young by her supervisors.