The reason why you should NOT buy Steam games

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Vakz

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Necromancer Jim said:
Besides the fact that Steam is a horrible system that does nothing but inconvenience gamers everywhere because the industry couldn't come up with a better way to cut piracy?
Personally, I haven't had a single major issue with Steam. I have over a hundred games on steam, several bought on steam sales for stupidly low prices. I can be a thousand miles away from my CDs and DVDs and still play my games as long as I have an internet connection. For some games, I can even save my games on the cloud, making me able to play it on other computers, and as backup for when I unexpectedly have to format.

DO NOT speak for all gamers. Most of my friends have had the same experience as I have.

Want to see what a truly shitty online platform is? Go buy games through GFWL.
 

JWRosser

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My only problem with Steam is that games are non-refundable. As good a game as it is, when I was a bit drunk I bought Oblivion for £20.00....although I already have it on 360. Yeah...

I also bought Bl'Ops for £40.00 which I regret immensely.
 

direkiller

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oplinger said:
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oplinger said:
You know blaming steam for something inherently wrong with game registration and CD keys is kind of funny.

Your just spouting nonsense, steam can't help you because the CD key isn't made or registered to them. The CD key is from the publisher, who put that CD key in a specific region. Don't talk to steam, talk to the publisher.

Learn where blame goes ffs
Its L4d2 Valve is the publisher
so he is blaming the right person
He's actually not. Valve is not Steam. Steam is not the publisher. Steam Support is not Valve's game support. Steam Support handles Steam issues.

It's really not that hard to figure out. Since he's not having an issue with steam itself, steam support can't help him.
all Valve games(even physical copy's) use steam now as there DRM
So yes you can blame steam for this because Steam is the one that pops up and Steam tells him it will not work(Also Steam is the reason it will not work as its the DRM that region locks).
Now its not a bad idea to contact Valve game support but who would you contact. The thing that pops up tells you your game is loading has a help button is owned by the same people who make the game. Or valve help the people you activity have to search for.
 

Nmil-ek

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It's a ConsideRAble pain in the arse all this software as a serviCe crap who the fucK reads through all of it.
 

Arkzism

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MetallicaRulez0 said:
For those of us who don't travel between countries on a regular basis... Steam is God.

I had a TERRIBLE experience with EA Download Manager, and now I will never buy another digital game from anywhere other than Steam ever again.
hmm honestly i havnt had an issue with them, but yes i much prefer steam
 

kaerondaes

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Okay, I have generally hung around this web site silently watching videos, etc., but I have to chip in my two cents... or whatever, considering I've lived in multiple places and dealt with multiple currencies.

In short, Steam is great IF you 1) don't move between multiple countries or 2) you NEVER have to deal with their customer support. If either of these are issues for you, give up the ghost: there is no point in using Steam.

My husband and I have had multiple bad experiences with Steam. When we lived in China, it was INSANELY slow to register and amazingly kludgy. We gave up playing our games on there because it just loaded worth crap and wasn't worth the effort. (And other games and sites did NOT have these issues -- at the same time, we were playing World of Warcraft!) Of course, moving around also caused game access issues because we purchased games in different places (our physical copy of Half-Life 2 came from China, for instance.)

However, the straw that broke the camel's back was dealing with their customer service, after we'd moved to Japan. Team Fortress 2 had a free demo up with a $10 special sale. My husband and I both downloaded it, we had a blast, decided to buy two copies. Went to pay for it and it, the system spat because our credit card is registered in the U.S. (At that time, we didn't have a Japanese credit card yet.)

Well, that was understandable -- we'd had the same issue before with other places, just contact customer service and it should be solved. We weren't upset at all. It's reasonable to say "wait a minute, wait a minute!" when the location of the purchaser does NOT match the billing location by a continent.

So we contacted their customer service. A day later, we got a confused form response that had nothing to do with our problem. So we e-mailed again. Another day passed with another nonsensical reply, we replied again. Then they said, "oh, it should be fine now." But by THEN the SALE had ended. We contacted them explaining all this -- and yes, I kept polite, I've worked customer service and it's a hellish job -- and we got the reply, FROM A MANAGER, "The sale is over and we cannot change our system to give you the sale price. Sorry."

So my husband wrote back a long explanation, and said, "What can you do? Is there ANYTHING you can do to make a customer happy?" Finally, the manager came back telling us how to BYPASS their security in checking IPs versus physical addresses so the issue wouldn't come up in the future -- but again told us there was no way they could change the price (or offer a credit, or whatever) for us since the sale was over. (No, I'm not going to tell you how to bypass the security. They shouldn't have to tell you how to cheat their system to do stuff. Something was amiss here.)

After that, we started looking around for another site to buy games from -- since they are insanely expensive if you buy games via Amazon Japan, we ENVY the Aussies! -- and ended up settling down on Gamer's Gate. Of course, our first purchase, the same problem came up! Within an hour the problem was solved and we had our purchase... and the next purchase, they were slower to respond, the sale had ended, and they cheerfully gave us the sale price, anyway.

So, after that, I was done with Steam. I understand that Steam is terrific... IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. They're not the only ones like that, though... just have problems with Paypal sometime and you'll get the same show. I don't know what it is with some companies...
 

Shoggoth2588

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I tend to avoid digital downloads...outside of DLC...

I'm too attached to my boxes, cases and, manuals to switch to an all digital format (my computer also has a bad habit of screaming at me when I run minecraft for longer than 10 minutes at a time)
 

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I hate Valve in general, the best and only good thing out of that company is Portal. Every game they make uses the same game engine in the same ways. We get it you have a cool physics engine do something else that doesn't run on on the Source engine.
 

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As mentioned previously, outside of a small potential handful of games you don't OWN any of your games. That said, I've never had a single problem with Steam. Hell, they even got me my stolen laptop back by turning over the IP address of where it was to the local police.

Not that I wasn't before, but that would have made me a lifelong customer. I don't care about boxes, I game for games. Moreover, I'm terrible about losing things. Can't lose digital stuff in a long list.
 

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Speedwagon said:
I hate Valve in general, the best and only good thing out of that company is Portal. Every game they make uses the same game engine in the same ways. We get it you have a cool physics engine do something else that doesn't run on on the Source engine.
Because they use their own engine that works and they update it on almost every new game to advance the features this means you "hate Valve"?
I'm sorry, but that's just silly.
Sure you can dislike their games if they aren't your style... but hating a company because they stick with what works for them and their customers is just moronic.

As for the OT, I've never had any issue with steam, apart from paypal saying I don't have enough money to pay for a discounted game because of an issue with steam still initially coming across as full price when you press purchase. Once I added some more it worked though.
 

Aurgelmir

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Ah, thats fucked up.

I understand where they are coming from, considering I used to get my games for half the price on Steam before they moved to Euro... So what they want to avoid is people setting up american accounts to buy and play their games in Europe.

But that should be governed on an account basis, not a game basis.
 

aiusepsi

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Somebody above said it already, but it bears repeating:

Specific releases of some games are region-locked because they're emerging markets versions: they're sold really cheaply in places like Russia where game sales are traditionally low.

That produces a problem: it encourages people to export the game from Russia etc. into the developed markets, sell it on, and make money.

So you have to pick a least worst solution: don't sell the game in developing markets, sell the game for the same price in developing markets as in the developed world, or region-lock the developing markets versions so they can't be exported.

The last one affects the least number of people, and allows people in developing markets to actually buy software at reasonable prices that are appropriate for their respective economies.

I'd bet you that the copy the original poster bought in Singapore says, somewhere on the back, that it's region-locked and won't work abroad.

Irrespective, if there's something that the Steam team need to get on doing, it's improving Steam support, and really going all through the Steam system with a fine-toothed comb and making sure it's robust and bullet-proof against even low-frequency corner-cases. As your player-base mounts up those are going to happen more frequently, and it's going to make Steam look bad. The current Steam backlash apparent in this thread gives me unpleasant memories of the early days when HL2 came out.
 

The Artificially Prolonged

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Althoigh I prefer owning actual hard copies of my games, the value for money I get from steam sales more than make up for that. As for problems, I personally have never had a problem using steam, so I cannot recommend steam if enough.
 

Vern5

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I'm going to try and install FNV with this install disk and see if it forces me to sign into my account. I've already activated the product so I'm not sure if it will ask me to again. But seriously, people keep commenting on my post and now I'm beginning to doubt my great idea so here it goes.
 

Vern5

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Well crap. Five seconds in and I had to log in.

So nevermind. I guess living in a city with plenty of nice juicy free wifi spots has spoiled me somewhat.
 

Uber Waddles

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Excuse the caps...

KNOW THE TOS AND EULA YOU BLOW OFF EVERYTIME THERE IS AN UPDATE? WHAT ITS BASICALLY SAYING IS YOU DO NOT OWN THE GAMES YOU ARE BUYING DIGITALLY, YOU OWN A LICENSE TO PLAY THE GAME. THIS LICENSE CAN BE REVOKED AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON THEY SEE FIT, RENDERING YOU UNABLE TO PLAY THE GAME.

Digital Downloads are convenient, but you dont actually own anything you digitally downloaded, unless you pirated it.

While I sympathize with you, and think you should give Valve a nice phone call, thats just business. A license in Singapore is not the same as one in the UK.
 

matt87_50

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yeah.. digital distro would have been great!! in 1984...

can you even return a defective game?

you certainly can't give them, lend them, or sell them to friends when you are done...

also, steam is STILL crap! you are forever waiting HOURS before you can play a single player game, just because it decided to update... or freeze... or not show you your game library...