The Return of the Sexism-CommuniCast: Sexism in real life.

[ShiningAmber]

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See I'm fine with that, in fact I think that's the best option available. This guy can't just demand children from people, it's not right. But what I'm not okay with is the idea that men must also constantly be around for a child they don't want or must compensate for their absence. It's a double standard I don't want, it's a double standard that undermines and infringes on men's rights and it's a double standard that seems to be supported by feminism. I just think it's disgusting the way these sorts of subjects are brushed aside as a way of oppressing women, patriarchal rhetoric or the assumption that men have all the rights in the world as is.

I agree with you 110%
-unfortunately I normally get yelled at when I say what you have just said

Because last time you said biology is unfair and women should have forced pregnancies should the father desire the child and the mother does not.

I wonder why.

 

[knight steel]

Snip.

See I'm fine with that, in fact I think that's the best option available. This guy can't just demand children from people, it's not right. But what I'm not okay with is the idea that men must also constantly be around for a child they don't want or must compensate for their absence. It's a double standard I don't want, it's a double standard that undermines and infringes on men's rights and it's a double standard that seems to be supported by feminism. I just think it's disgusting the way these sorts of subjects are brushed aside as a way of oppressing women, patriarchal rhetoric or the assumption that men have all the rights in the world as is.

I agree with you 110%
-unfortunately I normally get yelled at when I say what you have just said

Because last time you said biology is unfair and women should have forced pregnancies should the father desire the child and the mother does not.

I wonder why.

I NEVER said that women should have forced pregnancies-I said that men should be compensated for the loss-then I changed my mind instead too the fact that they should be informed of the decision and be able to opt out-because biology is unfair, neither of those involve forced pregnancies.

 

[ShiningAmber]

Snip.

See I'm fine with that, in fact I think that's the best option available. This guy can't just demand children from people, it's not right. But what I'm not okay with is the idea that men must also constantly be around for a child they don't want or must compensate for their absence. It's a double standard I don't want, it's a double standard that undermines and infringes on men's rights and it's a double standard that seems to be supported by feminism. I just think it's disgusting the way these sorts of subjects are brushed aside as a way of oppressing women, patriarchal rhetoric or the assumption that men have all the rights in the world as is.

I agree with you 110%
-unfortunately I normally get yelled at when I say what you have just said

Because last time you said biology is unfair and women should have forced pregnancies should the father desire the child and the mother does not.

I wonder why.

I NEVER said that women should have forced pregnancies-I said that men should be compensated for the loss-then I changed my mind instead too the fact that they should be informed of the decision and be able to opt out-because biology is unfair, neither of those involve forced pregnancies.

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I just want to be equal to women,this is impossible in the current state of society and life because I'm a man-because they can get pregnant and it's their body they get complete say over if a life is created or not-I want that power,and I will do whatever I can to get that power or make up for the lack of it- regardless of anything else,if that means children go angry because of lack of support so be it as long as I get some say in the process or it's outcome.

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here it is in the most simple form:They [women] have something I want and I will get it or the equal equivalent to it.

Call that whatever you want-spit on the reasons why I believe I deserve it.



P.Sregnancy is not all about her

 

[knight steel]

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Both of those were said in the heat of the moment at the very end of an 11 page debate-after the proposed idea that men should be informed of the decision and be able to opt out was repeatedly shot down and I was insulted for suggesting it. Please note the following-"as long as I get some say in the process or it's outcome" and "the equal equivalent to it." You are taking what I said and pulling it out of the context and what I really meant by it-however I will admit it was poorly worded and rash to say it.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Oh good, you started arguing about who said what in a completely different thread...
Always glad to see that....

 

[knight steel]

Oh good, you started arguing about who said what in a completely different thread...
Always glad to see that....

He started it-I'm innocent..........[sub]I'm sorry for this, it shouldn't have happened please forgive me :{[/sub]

 

[Aramis Night]

If you guys want a good reference for the historical differences in terms of women's rights in relation to men before the women's right's movement(feminism) as of 100 years ago, i suggest: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Legal_Subjection_of_Men

I found it incredibly interesting and informative. It not only shows how women have always had special rights and privileges relative to men. It also gives a more realistic look on how much of a difference feminism has made over the last century by contrast. To me it seems to show that very little has actually changed and challenges the conventional notions of male privilege vs. female privilege.

 

[Sandernista]

How long: Not too long, seeing as the focus should again be on the discussion, but I think that it would be a good idea to have an essay that serves as an introduction to the topics at hand, more so if it's well written etc.
The problem is, that I really don't have a list of topics for the next cast yet, so I can't really tell you what to write about either, but I think I could get onto that after the next sexyCast is done, so you have enough time to work something up.
And of course, everything less than an A+ is considered a failing grade.

Ok I'll write a paragraph or two about how sexism is occurring to both genders and how sexism against men is less known/cared about and provide some examples-I can also send you a bit on morality which you can use if you ever plan to do a talk on that.

Sounds good, let's do it.
(Not sure if I am going to do a morality issue soon, since I already have a sexuality-cast planned as well)

I spent way too much time reading Focault, and then Butler. I'm down to do a sexuality cast and talk about gender and sexuality as a performance.

 

[Darken12]

To me it seems to show that very little has actually changed and challenges the conventional notions of male privilege vs. female privilege.

I'm arriving a bit late to the party, but all this would be interesting to debunk in the podcast. The illusion of female privilege and the concept of benevolent sexism is something I think would be really educational for people at large (as it's a very widely-held belief stemming from a misunderstanding of the world "privilege"). I'd love for this to be added to the list of misconceptions to discuss.

 

[Aramis Night]

To me it seems to show that very little has actually changed and challenges the conventional notions of male privilege vs. female privilege.

I'm arriving a bit late to the party, but all this would be interesting to debunk in the podcast. The illusion of female privilege and the concept of benevolent sexism is something I think would be really educational for people at large (as it's a very widely-held belief stemming from a misunderstanding of the world "privilege"). I'd love for this to be added to the list of misconceptions to discuss.

One of the reasons the equal rights amendment never passed was actually largely due to the public efforts of Phyllis Schlafly who made claims about women losing privileges such as being subject to the draft with her STOP(Stop Taking Our Privileges) campaign. A similar event happened among many women who actually attempted to block female voting rights because they feared that equality for women would come with the same responsibilities that came with a man's right to vote. Obviously that effort was unsuccessful and women gained voting rights with no such responsibilities attached which made Phyllis's ideas lack precedent.

After having read Belfort Bax's: The Legal Subjugation of Men( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Legal_Subjection_of_Men ), i feel i should also be fair by linking the article to which he was replying when he wrote it. The Legal Subjugation of Women: http://archive.org/stream/subjectionofwome00millrich#page/n5/mode/2up
It is a bit long so if you don't wish to devote yourself too deeply to the time it would take to read it, i will link the wikipedia page for a cliff notes version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subjection_of_Women

I actually find both works to be of value in their perspective points of view.

 

[Darken12]

*snip*

We're not debating this. This isn't a debate thread. It will be tackled in the podcast, provided the other participants agree.

In the meantime, if you want to educate yourself, I recommend this link to a succinct, very basic summation of the issues regarding the matter: Finally Feminism 101 [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/faq-female-privilege/].

 

[Aramis Night]

*snip*

We're not debating this. This isn't a debate thread. It will be tackled in the podcast, provided the other participants agree.

In the meantime, if you want to educate yourself, I recommend this link to a succinct, very basic summation of the issues regarding the matter: Finally Feminism 101 [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/faq-female-privilege/].

Didn't realize that by providing historical documentation i was turning this into a debate thread. Confused as to how you surmised that as my intention. I was presenting both sides, not taking one. I'm aware of the notion of benevolent sexism. I don't care to drag that debate into this thread. So please, don't bring it here and take your own advice on the matter.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Tomorrow, we will discus sexism like men.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Tomorrow, we will discus sexism like men.

You do realize that the Sexism Cast is on the 7th (8th) of May, right?

 

[Evil Smurf]

Tomorrow, we will discus sexism like men.

You do realize that the Sexism Cast is on the 7th (8th) of May, right?

I do now.

"I'm not sexist, that is wrong and being wrong is for women." - Ignorant Joe

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Tomorrow, we will discus sexism like men.

You do realize that the Sexism Cast is on the 7th (8th) of May, right?

I do now.

"I'm not sexist, that is wrong and being wrong is for women." - Ignorant Joe

Glad we managed to clear that up then.
You also have a very special PM waiting for you.