The right to bear drain cleaner?

[Tiger Sora]

And outrage committee forming in 3....2......1.... there it is!

Drain cleaner. Lol, next their gona outlaw books, cause they're giving some people bad ideas.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

When you're planning on doing an attack on right wing sensibilities, it's a good idea to find out if the stupid people the thread is about is actually about someone on the right wing. See, the guy that pushed this law? Democrat. Last I checked, yeah, not right wing.

What does that have to do with anything? Besides, the US democrats are very right wing. There's no left wing parties in the US. In terms of viable parties you can choose between right wing democrats, and ultra-right republicans.

Something I've always noticed is how everyone seems to think the exact opposite based upon where they stand on the political spectrum. I hear many, many people on the right say exactly what you said, but in the opposite direction. There is no right wing party, just variations on how left you want to go.

Isn't that interesting?

Since what you're talking about is clearly only a matter of perspective and not an objective rational, I'm going to say only "I disagree" and move on.

Good day.

 

[Griffolion]

So in Illinois, there's a new state law stating that:

A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a log.

Why?

State Rep. Jack Franks (D-Woodstock) obtained passage of the new law following attacks in which drain cleaner was poured on two Chicago women, badly scarring them.

This leads me to a question and maybe it's a stupid question.

What in the name of all that is holy is wrong with the government officials in Illinois? In what possible way could this, even theoretically, help prevent(or even help apprehend) someone doing this exact same crime in the future?

Look, I understand gun registration or background checks and all that. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand where it's coming from. This just blows me out of the water.

What happened to those poor women is absolutely deplorable. I'm not going to suggest otherwise. But making people show a photo ID when the buy drain cleaner is not going to change what happened or prevent it from happening again. I even have serious doubts it'll help in finding the dirtbag that would have committed such a heinous crime.

I don't even have words for this anymore. Thoughts?

Wow, as much as I feel for those poor women, this honestly seems like a mis-informed knee jerk reaction to keep constituents on side. I may be wrong.

 

[Batou667]

But making people show a photo ID when the buy drain cleaner is not going to change what happened or prevent it from happening again. I even have serious doubts it'll help in finding the dirtbag that would have committed such a heinous crime.

I don't even have words for this anymore. Thoughts?

They're wiping their ***es on the Constitution and taking our drain cleaner away!

There's nothing inherently dangerous about drain cleaner. Drain cleaner doesn't clean drains, people do. Drain cleaner is a tool; just like a wrench or a plunger, it gets work done. If everybody carried drain cleaner, the country would be a safer place. How can those damn liberals not understand that!?

 

[Jegsimmons]

Dude, its Illinois, its the most corrupt and bass akward state in the whole country.

 

[SyphonX]

This is actually a good law.

1 You don't have to be 18 at the moment to buy drain cleaner, which is an incredibly damaging acid. How stupid is that?

2 Gangs have been known to use it to melt bodies.

So you get a quick ID check, and sign a sheet. Who cares? We have ID checks for alcohol and cigarets too. It is no big deal.

I'm not the least bit surprised that a person who rationalizes fascism on a video game forum, doesn't have the effort to spell check cigarettes.

1 If "gangs are known to melt bodies" with drain cleaner, then I think "drain cleaner regulations" should be on the bottom of the "concerns" list in Illinois.

2 Politicians have been known to use fascism to melt brains.

 

[godofallu]

This is actually a good law.

1 You don't have to be 18 at the moment to buy drain cleaner, which is an incredibly damaging acid. How stupid is that?

2 Gangs have been known to use it to melt bodies.

So you get a quick ID check, and sign a sheet. Who cares? We have ID checks for alcohol and cigarets too. It is no big deal.

I'm not the least bit surprised that a person who rationalizes fascism on a video game forum, doesn't have the effort to spell check cigarettes.

1 If "gangs are known to melt bodies" with drain cleaner, then I think "drain cleaner regulations" should be on the bottom of the "concerns" list in Illinois.

2 Politicians have been known to use fascism to melt brains.

It's also used to make meth. Fun fact most of the ingredients used to cook meth have this same procedure already in place, and have had it in place for a long time with no public reaction.

Checking an ID when trying to buy a potentially dangerous product = Fascism? Ridiculous.

 

[crepesack]

NaOH is used in the purification of hallucinogens and narcotics. I got a lot of suspicious looks when I bought NaOH for some lab experiments recently. It's really tough to find nowadays anyways since bleach + KOH solutions are so much more effective than NaOH.

To clarify:
1. It is NOT meant to melt bodies. It's used in the purification in drugs.
2. It can be used to mask the odors of decomposing bodies though
3. If you're under 18 you have no business in buying NaOH unless your mom or dad sent you because you took a massive dump that can't get unclogged.
4. NaOH is probably one of the most dangerous chemicals one can buy without an institutional permit. It's caustic, reactive, and hard to work with.

 

[SyphonX]

First of all, the reason there is an uproar over this, is because it encompasses more than just "drain cleaner". I've read other articles prior to viewing this thread, and I've listened to people's testimony in other states or in Illinois.

It adds to a list of "40 or so products", and it typically has nothing to do with "being over 18". What you do in some places is show ID, then write yourself down in a log, perhaps a signature. Typically, I would imagine the clerk logs the name themselves without a signature.

What's the deal? Pre-crime. There is no such thing. It's basically 'mindcrime', and more control measures to condition people into accepting even more control measures. Anyone who thinks this is paranoid needs to start looking beyond the tip of their nose for once in their lives. It has absolutely nothing to do with "inconvenience". If you see someone put up a legitimate complaint, and you reply in form with, "Just show your ID, why is that so hard?", then you need to be slapped in the mouth and given a time out. Preferably you're then issued a reading list of history texts, and critically-acclaimed fiction with the likes of Orwell and Bradbury.

Also,
Fun Fact: The War on Drugs is an abject failure. No one gives a shit.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

It's also used to make meth. Fun fact most of the ingredients used to cook meth have this same procedure already in place, and have had it in place for a long time with no public reaction.

Checking an ID when trying to buy a potentially dangerous product = Fascism? Ridiculous.

Absolutely, because this measure was put in place because of drugs.

Oh wait, it wasn't.

But that's fine, because Draino is "a potentially dangerous product." Here's the scary thing, though. I found some other "potentially dangerous products" that DON'T require you to show ID to buy. Hammers, knives, water, plastic bags, and basically everything in a hardware store. There's a glut of "potentially dangerous products" that don't require an ID check. How can we possibly let the government get away with that? Aren't they there to protect us?

This is ridiculous. Putting measures in place so that people can't buy 15 gallons of cough medicine is perfectly reasonable. Making people get background checks when trying to get a firearm is relatively reasonable.

There are reasonable restrictions to freedom in the name of safety. Not allowing every mental patient to own a firearm is one of them. Making people show ID and sign a list stating that they bought Draino isn't one of them.