Masculinity is a subjective and constantly fluctuating idea, so no, that doesn't make any sense.
The Rise of the "Man-*****"
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Rigid gender roles screw over both groups. Males are restricted in how they think they're allowed to feel and act, and femininity typically ends up being perceived as the 'lesser' trait.
Just let people dress how they want. If it's not your thing, that's fine. But some people prefer it.
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...Also, I really wanted a chance to use this picture.
Rigid gender roles screw over both groups. Males are restricted in how they think they're allowed to feel and act, and femininity typically ends up being perceived as the 'lesser' trait.
Just let people dress how they want. If it's not your thing, that's fine. But some people prefer it.
EllieRyan said:
High fives for truth.
...Also, I really wanted a chance to use this picture.
I posit that if he is flicking through magazines that have fashion pics then he is the man-*****.Colour-Scientist said:
If you're going to have a rant about the decline of masculinity and so on, you should be flicking through magazines that only have pictures of vehicles or tits (or both in the more 'tasteful' ones).
Man-*****? Wow. So your friend just...Sigh.
Your friend seems a tad misogynistic. He also needs to take a step back and realize how he sounds. And maybe take a privilege check.
Do I like feminine men? Never really thought about it, but...The guy I'm dating now has a few feminine characteristics and I think he's perfect, so...Yeah. I guess.
Your friend seems a tad misogynistic. He also needs to take a step back and realize how he sounds. And maybe take a privilege check.
Do I like feminine men? Never really thought about it, but...The guy I'm dating now has a few feminine characteristics and I think he's perfect, so...Yeah. I guess.
Yes, I did make a generalisation but not an entirely unjustified one.OmniscientOstrich said:
The 'man laws' thing was something of a joke but women are more social and in my experience (and from hearing anecdotes about my girlfriend at work, where most of the employees are women) women do share a sense of solidarity with one another (and psychological research does say that women do tend more towards group bonding and have more social connections than men do).
People are individuals but to say we shouldn't expect anything of anyone is bullshit.
We all make instant judgements and expectations of others (don't argue this with me, if you try to claim that you have never once judged someone based only on an initial glance then you're either lying, in denial or are oblivious most of the time), it's important that we're able to do so.
Picture you're in a park and you want to have a sit down, you see two benches.
One has a rather large-set and well built man with a heavy brow, a football shirt and a scowl on his face and is carrying a tool kit.
The other has a small young woman with glasses, soft features and a bright floral dress who is reading a book.
Who do you chose to sit next to?
Most people I've asked this question to, even people who claim 'I don't judge people', chose the woman.
It's important that we can make judgements and assessments of others without nessercarily knowing everything, which by extension means that it's also important to have expectations of others, hell, you probably have expectations of me right now based on the little you've read from me and have probably made a pre-imagined image in your head of who I am and what sort of person you expect me to be (no matter how basic that image, you have one) despite the fact that you don't know who I am, how I act towards people, what my overall beliefs are and what I think or feel about towards others.
And your arguement for us being 'too far evolved' for this is?
And that is only a partial truth, yes, in certain areas it is in fact intelligence that is favoured more highly than any physical characteristic a person posesses but this doesn't change the fact that those pre-established traits that we can estimate a man or woman to have don't have a place anywhere.
It would be somewhat ignorant to assume that we have no use for people with great physical strength today (a typically male trait and explains why on average you'll see more men in roles like the Army, Fire Department, construction, mining/tree-cutting and other associated jobs) or people who are better at empathising and dealing with children (a typically female trait, also explains why you see more female teachers, day care workers and nurses).
Of course you wouldn't judge someone on their gender alone (I never said that), but it would be something to take into account with various other things you'd observe upon your first meeting with a person. But just because it isn't wise to make assumptions on a person because of their gender alone doesn't mean there isn't merit in having gender roles (and just because you feel it ins't fair doesn't mean they don't have a reason to be around and doesn't mean they'll be going anywhere soon).
Certainly.Colour-Scientist said:
I am a bisexual man so I can't speak for women, but I do certainly prefer feminine men. Rather I like a mixture of both traits in both genders.Colour-Scientist said:
I think its more about how someone acts over how they appear. Though there always seems to be that one person who fits that stereotype.
I have no problems embracing my feminine side, whether because I'm not a particularly masculine man in general or because sometimes acting overtly "girly" is fun/funny. Hell, I have a few wigs in my closet, and I've dressed in drag once for Halloween.
The outfit pictured in the OP is, eh. Kinda screams "middle aged urban lady" to me.
The outfit pictured in the OP is, eh. Kinda screams "middle aged urban lady" to me.
Yeah, yeah. I'm supposed to "accept the guy" even if I don't like it. Saying I am not for men dressing this way is by no means "not accepting them". They may wear whatever they choose, but damn the title "man-*****" is appropriate in any situation.
Like that guy and his fucking poncy scarf, smug look, and his inability to mask his...inner feelings and or his "Bruce from Family Guy" accent.
Like that guy and his fucking poncy scarf, smug look, and his inability to mask his...inner feelings and or his "Bruce from Family Guy" accent.
The poster who commented that some women's styles just don't work with men reflects a good part of my opinion on this. Men's and women's bodies are different, in case you haven't noticed. So since humankind started wearing and designing clothes, the design of clothes for each gender has been tailored to the distinct differences in each gender's body. Men just don't look good in dresses and other women's clothing because we're just too wide or too narrow in certain areas, most notably the shoulders, chest and hips. Women's clothing is not designed to fit a man. And unfortunately for those who decry the double-standard, it was just easier for men's clothing to be altered to fit and not look fugly on a woman than to do the reverse, mostly because men's clothing has long been more about simplicity and practicality than women's clothing. It's a lot easier to take a man's outfit and add to it than to cut down on the pieces of a woman's outfit and make it look good. As for those men who wear more "feminine" clothes that still classify as men's wear, if they still look decent, fine, whatever, doesn't bother me. But I hypothesize that like in technology, there is also an "uncanny valley" in fashion where the line blurs too much to be comfortable to most people. You know, like Justin Bieber's face and hair. There can be "feminine" men's clothing without falling into the uncanny valley, and I'm cool with that. Just don't step in. And you'll know when it happens.
If it's what people want to do, let em do it. I dress fairly conservatively, I keep my hair short and I detest the colour pink. But hey, if some guys like pink or want to keep their hair long, fine, go for it. I don't care. It's up to them how they dress. I don't judge people on how they dress anymore (except if they dress all in black and wear a ski-mask and gloves at night, in which case I'm going to run the hell away from them).
Who am I to tell these guys what is the "proper" way to behave? Is there such a thing as a "proper" way to behave? I don't like "feminine" fashion, but the world is not about what I like or dislike. If these guys want to dress this way, so be it.
Who am I to tell these guys what is the "proper" way to behave? Is there such a thing as a "proper" way to behave? I don't like "feminine" fashion, but the world is not about what I like or dislike. If these guys want to dress this way, so be it.
I personally find confidence attractive. I'm sure you're wondering how this answers your question, so let me expound. Every man has a 'feminine' side, some are larger, some are smaller. Size does not matter here. A real man will not only accept, but embrace this 'other' side of himself. This will make him a complete person, comfortable not only in himself but in his surroundings. It becomes a deep and abiding confidence, and it is sexy as hell. At that point he no longer has a 'man-card' to be checked. He is a Man. (yes, capitol M)
To be honest, I think he's one of those people who does/says it without realizing. There're a few issues we disagree on with regards to women and effeminate men. Overall though I don't think he's a misogynist, he can just be a bit misguided on certain topics.BabyRaptor said:
Hehehe, another glaring double standard emerges. It's alright for girls to be tomboyish, its cute but god forbid a guy doing the same thing in reverse. Scary times we live in.
Whatever, people can be who they want to be.
Whatever, people can be who they want to be.