The sarcasm/BDSM discussion thread!

[Geo Da Sponge]

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I very much doubt you are in any kind of position to judge what is and isn't an insult on that matter. Two decades worth of experience in the field does allow me to make judgments on wildly inaccurate claims pertaining to said field. Especially when she had been asked repeatedly to cease insulting those who actually do engage in D/s and BDSM.

Of course, this is yet more example of how only the convenient bits are spoken of and the inconvenient bits are ignored and desperately attempted to be buried under a flurry of posts.

Way to make an appeal to authority there. Because as we all know, BDSM isn't at all based on personal tastes and desires, and presenting your tastes as more 'legitimate' than others isn't smug at all.

Well are you going to highlight the inconvenient bits? I'll admit that I only browsed the thread, but all of her posts seemed pretty... Well, empty. That's not exactly a compliment, but I couldn't find any 'insults' from her that weren't based entirely on you disagreeing with how she interpreted something.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

I find the whole anti Twilight / anti Fifty Shade of Gray feminism thing to be sort of inherently anti feminist. It assumes that women for some reason can't make decisions for themselves or consent to things that may or may not be in their best interest to an outside observer. If you reversed the gender roles in these books and they were equally as popular among men, no one would question it or assume that it was "sending the wrong message."

Hey, some women like to be dominated. Some women like to dominate. Some women like to get hit (it's true, look it up). Some women like to hit. They're not victims in a consensual sexual relationship.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I can bust out definitions too.

" Discrimination based on gender"

She was sexist. By definition

Not letting someone sexually dominate you is discrimination? Okay then. I'm assuming that you're a heterosexual male. If not, imagine you are. Now, would you let a guy do -Kinky thing that you are personaly into- to you? No? But you'd let a girl do it?

You sexist.

I just think it's hilarious that you keep trying to put what she said in as vague as possible terms in order to make it look sexist. Are you really saying that she's sexist because she no longer enjoys doing something that reminds her of an abusive relationship...?

You asked me a question and answered it yourself then called me a sexist, wow this is getting civil.

She still does it. She just lets woman dominate her and she dominates men (read the thread).

But anyway, if it was just sex then why didn't she correct me?

Umm... I was joking about you being a sexist. That was a joke. You can tell because it's an absolutely insane assertion.

Also italics.

And yes, I know she still does it in those situations. I'm just pointing out how absurd it is to call someone sexist over their sexual preferences. What's there to get? She was in an abusive relation with a man, so being in situations that remind her of that make her uncomfortable, at least that's the interpretation I got. Are you going to tell her she has to do the same stuff with all sexual partners, regardless of what she feels comfortable with? I think that's a bad idea, but you should ask Deviate. Apparently he's an expert on the subject.

And she did correct you, round about the time I came in and actually asked a civil question rather than just assuming the worst again and again, just like you are doing to me. Okay, that's not really fair, she could've clarified but she didn't. That probably makes her a bad Escapist user, and a bad debater. But creating a bad argument about sexism doesn't make her sexist, nor does it make you right.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Well this thread exploded! And I haven't got fifty million messages saying I'm a ****, which usually happens everytime I try to talk about real issues.

I'd say that's a win!

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

I like the fem-dom kind of BDSM roleplay, personally. I don't like the male dominant version because I dislike men having any power. My current boyfriend enjoys it, so I've little reason to care about changing lol.

50 Shades of Grey had BDSM in it to the same degree that A Serbian Film has sex in it--i.e. it's all wrong. The book itself is creepy, but not sexist.

I'd say that it was... It was largely about a guy treating a woman as a slave to his whims seems sexist to me. Especially considering the lack of consent being half of the authors thrill. It's both wrong and sexist.

I also want to make a comment about that first bit completely devoid of the concept you MAY have been joking, but There's about fifty other guys who jumped on that bandwagon.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Well this thread exploded! And I haven't got fifty million messages saying I'm a ****, which usually happens everytime I try to talk about real issues.

I'd say that's a win!

Wait, what? You got insulted? What did you do?

Also... why did you change your avatar? I miss the toast...

No, on Every thread I have made before this that wasn't to do with comics or games or my own sense of self loathing I usually get half a million quotes saying I'm an asshole for having an opinion, however, this thread hasn't blown up in my face yet. It does seem to have blown up in yours then moved into a vigourous debate between two other completly unrelated guys until one got banned.

Ace Rimmer, Come on! Spiderman Toast has been my avatar since I joined.

 

[Skullpanda]

Ah...Boudica and Deviate always make these threads for me...I've gotten to lurking for/in them, because I just know a fun little argument will crop up between either one of them and someone else. This one even had the bonus of 2 arguments! So much rage, so little time.

On topic: While I don't think that the 50 shades series is sexist, per say, I do think it is terribly written and should probably have received far less attention than they actually have. All they really are, from what I can tell, are a published version of terrible porn-fics that are found on the internet.

Though it has spawned fairly entertaining things from the internet. Want to hear part of this terrible book read in Morgan Freeman's voice? Here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rUqNP40wY&feature=g-user-u (not embedded because NSFW language)

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Well this thread exploded! And I haven't got fifty million messages saying I'm a ****, which usually happens everytime I try to talk about real issues.

I'd say that's a win!

Wait, what? You got insulted? What did you do?

Also... why did you change your avatar? I miss the toast...

You know what reading through this made me realise?

You are the guy from 50 Shades of Grey. That's kinda funny.

Anyway, back to being OT, or at least kind of. I dunno about anyone else but my penis doesn't give a shit about my ideologies. I could be the staunchest feminist on earth and it wouldn't control what my penis did whatsoever. Describing any kind of pornography as sexist kind of misses the point of pornography as far as I'm concerned because pornography and sex don't deal in the same circles as equality and rhetoric.