The Sims 3 berates you for having a child out of 'wedlock' Yes they use that word...

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PrinceofPersia

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
So despite your feelings on the Sims 3 what do you make of this??

(If this should be in off topic then please move I was unsure where to put it)

Edit: I'd just like to point out that my sim is a celebrity and this is why this message appeared, It's still not justified though...

Edit 2: Maxis did not make The Sims 3...look it up >_>
1) It is a real the double standard that actualy exists in the real world which is what Sims are trying to replicate in an odd fashion.

2) Your character is a celebrity, you know how much flak they get if they do just one thing wrong? A lot because society puts them on a raised pedestal (unfairly in my opinion their just humans with some talent) and expects them to act like virtuous paragons instead of normal flawed human beings.

3) Yeah the devs handled this poorly as brownstudies stated, but again take your queue from our society, people still do look down upon women who have children outside of wedlock. It is none of their business but people form opinions about a lot of things.

Would I rather they completely ignore the issue and suger coat it? No. If EC has taught me anything is that many experiences in a game are a chance to grow, learn, and ask the all important question: Why?

BTW brownstudies that quote you had to replace the original freaking AWESOME!
 

The Cheezy One

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I understand that people can be born out of wedlock for a variety of completely valid reasons, but IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE I GREW UP, anyone who had a child out of marriage did so for bad reasons, such as: they didn't want the child, they didn't want the hastle of a divorce later, it cost too much.

I am going to get so much shit for this, but please understand what I mean when I say that there is such a thing as being too liberal. I'm not one of the guys with a rod up my arse about everything, saying we should live in the '50s, but social boundaries around children born in or out of wedlock have a remarkable impact on the stability of households.

I will not spit on someone, or even openly deride them, for being born or having children out of marriage. But if I had to choose, I would have to say I would prefer people to be more strict with such things. Although obviously I'd rather they were born than aborted.

I am going to get sooooo much shit for this, but it's my view, just like yours.
 

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PrinceofPersia said:
2) Your character is a celebrity, you know how much flak they get if they do just one thing wrong? A lot because society puts them on a raised pedestal (unfairly in my opinion their just humans with some talent) and expects them to act like virtuous paragons instead of normal flawed human beings.
Should choosing not to get married be considered a 'flaw' though and is it still in modern society? I think that's what offended me. The game views alot of progressive things as perfectly fine but have a child in a stable relationship that isn't a marriage? Aw hell no...

Just seems a little off to me.

I agree that brownstudies hit the nail on the head with what the 'debuff' should say though...;)
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
I have just came across it in the game I'm so mad right now... seriously. It's not a joke, I can take another screenshot if you guys like.

Edit: A screenshot from another girls game who had pretty the same opinion of it as me...

Well, seeing that screen shot, I think if your sim was a real person, she'd be a piece of shit trailer hick. She's unmarried, has a kid and most importantly, she's unemployed. I doubt the game cares about that part, but tell me how many single mothers you know that are unemployed that are respectable people?

Now, if the dad is living in the house supporting them like any good dad would, then obviously the game is being retarded, but I don't see him in the screenshot. I don't think there is anything wrong with a couple remaining unmarried and having a kid as long as they are still in a close, supportive relationship. The last thing a kid needs is a dad that is nothing more than a boyfriend that comes over for a booty call every few nights.
 

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Have you tried having a child out of wedlock when the *husband* is a celebrity? Maybe he'll get the same message?

Just curious. It would help me determine how badly I feel about this.
 

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Nimcha said:
BlackEagle95 said:
Seriously, A LOT of people would react this way to a child born out of wedlock.
Really though? I know a lot of people who just don't bother to get married at all and they all have children. I find the notion that you have to be married to have children very strange. What about unplanned pregnancies? Should those people just get married for that reason only?
That last bit should never be the case. If the child is the only reason for the marriage then no one involved is going to be very happy. I know a few people who would be upset by single mothers and I see it a lot. It's a old word view, but they are entitled to it.

I see nothing wrong with unmarried couples having children. As long as no one tries to use the fact to get out of responsibility.
 

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What shame is there in raising a child as a single parent? And what 'bad reasons' do people have for not getting married? Because in my experience, I've never come across any untoward reasons for people not anting to marry.
If they are a single parent for a reason like their partner died, there's no shame. But if they knowingly decide to do so it's just irresponsible and if you look into the persons history you'll always find a track record of cheating, one night-stands, etc.

One of the common reasons for not wanting to marry that I've heard is "not wanting the responsibility of marriage," yet still having kids. Which does well to show just where that person is at.

There is a very strong effort to destroy the family going on these days, as the family is the last group that has any real strength left in it now that religious groups have mostly been destroyed.

Once families are fully destroyed society will be totally screwed and civilization will end with a whimper.
Care to explain how that world work? The definition of a family could disappear tomorrow but unless everybody suddenly decides to quit having kids civilization itself won't be affected.

First of all, nobody is trying to "destroy families", maybe expand the definition of it to include single parents and their kids as well as gay couples and adopted/surrogate born children. That's a GOOD thing, by the way. Those types of units are families, and most are loving ones at that. Second, the typical nuclear family will always be the norm, it's not going anywhere. Raising a kid is bloody expensive, even with two parents with full time jobs, and gay people only make up a small percentage of the population so their status as families doesn't really alter anything. I don't see police barging into peoples homes and breaking up families for the crime of not being a minority.
 

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I find this rather funny, because it reminded me of a time when I was working retail at Gamestop.

This woman comes in with her eight year old child and demands to have this game returned because it is such vile filth. Turns out it was Sims 3, and she was disgusted that you could have children on the game and out of wedlock!

The irony of the situation is that she left with Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas(this was obviously before the discovery of a certain mod) despite all of the things I said the game contained.

I never could understand certain people who come into that store.
It's quite simple actually: Violence (no matter how gory) AOKAY! But even the barest hint of sex, sexuality, or intimacy and BAM it is EVIL INCARNATE! Man I love double standards...NOT.
 

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Signa said:
That's not my sim...I was just backing up the story.

My sim lives in an impeccably decorated modern style house (if I do say so myself *smug grin*) and is level 9 in the cooking career branch..Her artist fiance makes 2 grand for a just small picture and yet the public still views her badly for having kids. :| What an irresponsable young lady she is!!!.
 

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The Keeper said:
Have you tried having a child out of wedlock when the *husband* is a celebrity? Maybe he'll get the same message?

Just curious. It would help me determine how badly I feel about this.
The husband is a celebrity artist although he is 'one star' lower than the woman.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Signa said:
That's not my sim...I was just backing up the story.

My sim lives in an impeccably decorated modern style house (if I do say so myself *smug grin*) and is level 9 in the cooking career branch..Her artist fiance makes 2 grand for a just small picture and yet the public still views her badly for having kids. :| What an irresponsable young lady she is!!!.
yeah, hard to find what is so disrespectable about that...
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Mouse_Crouse said:
Having looked it up online it seems to be tied to your "celebrity" status. If you do anything (and this qualifies) that the "public" deems "unsavory" as a celebrity you are shamed for 3 days.
It is yes, but its still doesn't justify it. Unmarried filmstars have kids all the time and the media loves them...

For those applauding EA do you really think it's right to call it a 'bad action' and 'innapropriate behaiviour'?

:|
notice that they reuse the same thing but just with a different flavour text at the bottom for publicy disgrace so I think all wrong wording is by accident

OT i like the sims never have had this problem
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Xanthious said:
You essentially want EA to change their message in SIMS 3 to better accommodate your personal beliefs. If a non
I'm not saying they should delete it just make it a bit less vicious. I don't think that is too unreasonable within the idea of free speech.
Requesting they change it at all is to try and hamper their free speech. Freedom of speech isn't there to protect the messages we find no problems with but to protect those which people do find offensive. I personally think the message from the SIMS in question is a rather silly and outdated view but I still don't want to see games being changed at all based on any one person or groups social beliefs
 

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I'm sorry, but I think EA is right here. Having a child out of wedlock is shameful. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, but it does show that you are irresponsible. For all of the people saying "well, if you're in a loving, supportive relationship and you have a kid, it's okay" why are you not married or planning on getting married? There's a pretty big line between getting pregnant while you're engaged and just shacking up together and having a kid. Marriage is a benefit to both partners, it provides all kinds of legal protections and benefits, things like being able to visit your partner in the hospital, and certain property rights in case the marriage doesn't work out. There is a reason that the LGBT community has been fighting so hard for the right to marry, and the ability to show affection is a very small part of it.

TL:DR; if you're in a "loving, supportive relationship" and you plan on sticking together but not getting married, you are being irresponsible, and showing a fear of commitment -- and if you can't take the responsibility of marriage, how in the hell are you going to take the responsibility of a child?

Edit: As for the idea that it could have come from a one night stand, well, why is the woman not on birth control, and the man not wearing a condom? Accidental babies don't happen to responsible people, and it's still quite shameful.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
PrinceofPersia said:
2) Your character is a celebrity, you know how much flak they get if they do just one thing wrong? A lot because society puts them on a raised pedestal (unfairly in my opinion their just humans with some talent) and expects them to act like virtuous paragons instead of normal flawed human beings.
Should choosing not to get married be considered a 'flaw' though and is it still in modern society? I think that's what offended me. The game views alot of progressive things as perfectly fine but have a child in a stable relationship that isn't a marriage? Aw hell no...

Just seems a little off to me.

I agree that brownstudies hit the nail on the head with what the 'debuff' should say though...;)
To answer your first question some people in this day and age consider not getting married and having a kid as a "sin". Personally, I consider it none of my damn business whether or not someone wants to have a kid unless they want to have it with me. Does the text offend? Depends on the person. But what offends me more and spurs me to action is the fact that real hard working single mothers/fathers have been given this stigma. This game, and the characters in it, are virtual, a simulation not real flesh and blood people it is they who we should be concerned with. Still gotta give props to the devs for doing something like this to start a discussion about single parents and the stigmas that come with having a child out of wedlock. Freedom of speech man I love it.
 

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I have a related, but opposite problem with public opinion on The Sims 3.

I've actively set out to be the most inappropriate and annoying troll in the town, but lots of my efforts go to waste as they don't have the desired effect on the town's opinion of me.

I built a glass outhouse (by inserting full length windows in the walls) right on the border of my property next to the pavement, then inserted a spotlight over the toilet and surrounded 3 sides of the glass outhouse with walls comprised of full length mirrors.

Unfortunately, as hilariously awesome as it appears, no one bats an eyelid at the spectacle of multiple visages of my obese Sim taking a dump in public... they just walk past as if it was the most normal thing in the world.

Similarly, I decorated all the surfaces in my house with a black galaxy pattern, made all the internal walls mirrors and made the external walls full length windows, yet when people come to visit, they're not as freaked out and head-fucked as they should be when presented with such a maddening house of insane geometry, invisible furniture and impossible angles.

Still, it looks cool and suites my insane evil Sim down to a tea.
 

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Remember what happened when it became known that Arnold "Governator" Schwarzenegger had a child with a woman other than his wife? The only way you can be famous ánd have children with multiple partners, is to either live in a society where polygamy is allowed, or to be royalty. Kings did this shit all the time and nobody blamed them.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
I can understand if not many people on this site care about the Sims 3 or what goes on in relation to it but I would just like to draw your attention to this;



Your female sim is the only one who recieves the 'shame' for this 'heinous act' Also note the term 'bad actions' and 'innapropriate behaiviour' :|...

Personally it made my blood boil. There is absolutely no shame in having children out of wedlock these days and many couple choose to remain unmarried because of cost and also religious (or lack of) beliefs.

So despite your feelings on the Sims 3 what do you make of this??

(If this should be in off topic then please move I was unsure where to put it)

Edit: I'd just like to point out that my sim is a celebrity and this is why this message appeared, It's still not justified though...

Edit 2: Maxis did not make The Sims 3...look it up >_>
I'm pretty sure the Public Disgrace moodlet only happens to Celebrity Sims and in that case its actually rather on the button that the public will feel entitled to observe, comment on and involve themselves in your private life.
So what's really happening is that your Celebrity Sim has a child without being married and then all the tabloids go nuts with stupid headlines and such, quite realisticallu causing a bad moodlet as the strain of paparazzis and guesswork articles takes its toll.