"I used to be a dude"
i met a girl in a bar once who said that...
things were awkward the next morning...
i met a girl in a bar once who said that...
things were awkward the next morning...
I agree 100% percent for more than one reason. I'd say mine would have to be, "You're so stupid, you can't do shit" which is what my brother tell me, or What my parents always say "I birth you, i'm going to have you do it."Montezuma said:"Would You Kindly..."
This comes to mind.
I just tend to respond with "I won't pray for you."Rastelin said:"I will pray for you" is the religious equivalent of "fuck you". They often use this phrase when loosing an argument.
Are you serious? Take a step back and really look at what you are arguing for.Mr_Spanky said:SNip
In cases of sexual assualt the legal system fails as there is usually far too little material evidence and a great many ways for the defence to claim "sex yes but rape no". As I said I have no issue in general with the "innocent until proven guilty" philosphy but with sex crimes it is insufficient to provide a satisfactory system to convict the guilty and protect the innocent.
This is why I consider trivialsing rape in the manner that you seem to think appropriate is so damaging. I dont have a problem with people joking about murder because people who commit such crimes are brought to justice in about 90%-95% of cases. In cases of rape justice is the rare rather than the common - and society by and large does not recognise this fact. For exactly what reasons I am not going to specualte upon here.
Suffice to say for myself, having never been a victim of rape but understanding it from the perspective of some who have, I would deem humour around sex crimes to be not just trivialising, but damaging to the chances of victims to recieve any kind of justice. It is also for this reason I would give anyone who is found to be fabricating a charge of rape to get a sentence in line with a rapist.
If justice is not seen to be done then justice ceases to deter those who would succumb to its temptations.
Hey is your name Peter? Because you remind me of a former chef I'm friends withValanthe said:Hmm, I don't blow up on people often, but when I do it is often memorable, most recently, I was asked to do something I disagreed with by a manager for a company I no longer work for. I'm pretty flexible person, so I figured I must be misunderstanding the purpose of the assigned task, so I pressed my manager for a reason, she dodged the question for a while then snapped at me saying, "You'll do it because I said so."
Well, I'd had enough of her shit, so I went into a rant I can still remember to this day:
"Not f---ing good enough lady, only two people on this planet get to use "because I said so" on me, and you are neither old nor mean enough to be -either- of my parents. so if you can't answer a simple f---ing question then you can find yourself a new f---ing cook."
Needless to say, this is one of the major reasons I no longer work at this place. (And for the record, upon hearing the story and what I said, my parents couldn't stop laughing about it for a week.)
I believe I said (twice) in my post that I dont have a problem with innocent until proven guilty and trial by jury - the point I was trying to make in this in many cases the judicial system fails when it comes to sex crimes. In no way do I suggest that innocent people should be condemned in order to secure a better conviction rate for the guilty. I was trying to say that system is imperfect. This is kind of my point. Rape is a special case in law in the sense that it a very serious crime that, because of a variety of reasons, has a quite a low conviction rate. That is why im saying that society should not joke or make light of the issue as so many who commit the crime get away with it.Darkmantle said:Are you serious? Take a step back and really look at what you are arguing for.Mr_Spanky said:SNip
In cases of sexual assualt the legal system fails as there is usually far too little material evidence and a great many ways for the defence to claim "sex yes but rape no". As I said I have no issue in general with the "innocent until proven guilty" philosphy but with sex crimes it is insufficient to provide a satisfactory system to convict the guilty and protect the innocent.
This is why I consider trivialsing rape in the manner that you seem to think appropriate is so damaging. I dont have a problem with people joking about murder because people who commit such crimes are brought to justice in about 90%-95% of cases. In cases of rape justice is the rare rather than the common - and society by and large does not recognise this fact. For exactly what reasons I am not going to specualte upon here.
Suffice to say for myself, having never been a victim of rape but understanding it from the perspective of some who have, I would deem humour around sex crimes to be not just trivialising, but damaging to the chances of victims to recieve any kind of justice. It is also for this reason I would give anyone who is found to be fabricating a charge of rape to get a sentence in line with a rapist.
If justice is not seen to be done then justice ceases to deter those who would succumb to its temptations.
The problem is that rape victims often don't report the crime right away. There is plenty of physical evidence, but most of it has to be collected right away or it's useless. Encouraging victims to speak up as soon as possible, pushing back those who ridicule the victims, making sure the cases are taken seriously. All of these would increase the conviction rate. Wild changes to the law and legal systems will only serve to throw innocent people in jail.
Also, there will never be 100% conviction rate, because sometimes the prosecution is wrong. A rape may not have occurred. Now wait a second, I agree that more guilty get off then innocent, I just do not think the correct way to fight it is overthrowing innocent until proven guilty.
And to the first guy, CONGRATZ you really DO have a phrase guaranteed to start a shit-storm. I'm not sure whether to commend you, or condemn you.
OT: the word "patriarchy" just grinds my gears now. I guess I've heard it used improperly/offensively too many times.