The Sniper Principle
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I snipe quite a lot on Armed Assault and usually I only need to fire off one good shot to win the match. Snipers aren't meant to kill vast swathes of enemies, but to take one good shot and move on. Most of the sniper's effect is psychological, keeping you on your toes and actually thinking about your next move rather than just running out there 'cause you can.
However, I can understand people saying "Bugger Snipers!" when they're being spawn-camped by one dick with a rifle. But then you just spawn somewhere else and deal with it!
However, I can understand people saying "Bugger Snipers!" when they're being spawn-camped by one dick with a rifle. But then you just spawn somewhere else and deal with it!
You've hit the nail on the head there. So many people don't make the distinction between sniping and camping. I enjoy a good snipe (and I do mean proper take-the-shot-and-move-on sniping) every now and then, but always get bombarded with abuse for "camping" (or more accurately, being a "*&%$ing, sniping, #@~!ing, camping, $@&*." - yeah, I play on XBL).FlashHero said:
OT: Sounds like the only reason your friend doesn't like snipers is that he can't counter them effectively. And that's his fault, not the snipers'. And as for his Rule 1? One of the most fun games of MW2 I've ever had was on the Wasteland level (big open grassland level if you don't play) and everyone in the pre-game lobby decided beforehand that we'd all use sniper classes only and no-one would colonize the central bunker - that was one tense game.
The snipers in MW2 really annoys me. Escpacially quick-scopers... When I'm running around with a silenced smg that takes at least 3 hits to kill, it annoys me when someone else can take me out with a single shot.
I have recently taken up sniping in mw2 but NOT camping. I move around the map looking for people to take out. Plus, I'm not very good at sniping so I don't usually do anything that would piss someone off.
I have recently taken up sniping in mw2 but NOT camping. I move around the map looking for people to take out. Plus, I'm not very good at sniping so I don't usually do anything that would piss someone off.
Doesn't that happen with an over-abundance of any class though? It's certainty something I've found happens in TF2, though granted TF2 is completely different to a realistic shooter.CalCD said:
I'll admit I do lean towards Sniper classes, but they are far far from "God" And nothing in a online shooter gives me as big as a thrill as going head to head against another sniper.
But the amount of times I've been snuck up on from behind and knifed of head-shotted is unreal (a hint to your friend).
From my experiences playing (As a sniper) the best ways to kill me is not to be repetitive with your route seriously guys if you are gunna run down the same path why would I move This happened on TF2 the entirety of the enemy team couldn't get to the checkpoint because me and one other sniper were head-shotting them as soon as they came into view, if i missed the other guy would finish them off and visa-versa.
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Whats quick scoping? I don't play MW is it a form of cheating?Skribblings said:
I was actually pretty good with counter-sniping, in BC2. Just grab my GOL and scan for sniper nests. Once you play the same levels enough times, you start to remember where all the possibal sniping locations are, and can act accordingly. Once, on port Vladaz (I think its the neame, if not, its one of the only three maps where you play as the americans defending, and has the oil pipeline.) I was at the construction site, and killed what must have been 20 snipers that were trying to camp on that ridge overlooking the site. God... that was a good game...
Quick scoping is kinda fun to watch, but I think it's more of a useless mechanic personally.Tiny116 said:
In some games, you have a sniper rifle that does x damage. However, since the game designer wanted you to use it as a sniper rifle and not just generic bolt action rifle #7, they gave it a damage multiplier if you were using the scope. So players learned that if they moved to shoot, hit the scope and then the fire immediately after, they got the damage bonus with relatively no use of the scope at all.
People that quick scope run around the map with a sniper rifle. They turn a corner-scope-shoot-run and then do it again, all in the space of less than a second. Say what you will about it, but it does take some considerable reactions to move-point-click and still remain accurate.
MAG can be a tad harsh on players with snipers, but it's part of the game. You capture a few enemies posisions, move up and get a health head shot to the head, so you respawn, run half the map, and die in the exact same spot. It's life, it's gaming. There is no bullet trail ion MAG, so find the sniper, circle him, and pound his ass with leadTinCynic said:
I on the other hand love sniping. I love seeing people run for an objective and grab, Oh dear they forgot to take cover and lost their head. I personally do not like close range reflex tester battles and prefer to be a fair distance away picking people off.TheYellowCellPhone said:
I also love that favourite FPS rage point camping. I love doing it from long range and I love doing it around corners so that people run around without checking and get forcefully taken from behind. I always try to use the terrain to put me in a position where any fight I am in is never fair. The difference is that, if someone uses superior tactics and positioning and strikes me down; I congratulate them on their planning and execution.
It sounds like MW could do with the charge system TF2 has then, you get a damage bonus for using the scope, but it takes about 5 seconds to charge.ShadowKatt said:
In my opinion then this "quick scoping" cheapens sniping.
Though i will admit it would take a little skill to react that quickly.
On the right map, (in any game) playing a snipers can be extremely entertaining. Both killing them [i/]and[/i] using them. While it is mildly entertaining to take the easy shots, it is far more fun to attempt difficult shots like hitting a guy flying through the Man Cannon on Valhalla or shooting someone out of a vehicle turret.
All you do in FPS games is point and click really. Just because you press WASD or ESDF or use an analog stick more often does not make the game better.The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
OT: Personally I think your friend needs to grow up and stop butchering Mathematical/Scientific principles to get his point across. People play Sniper because they like to snipe or they think it is cool. Snipers are not hard to fight they usually camp in the same place and stay very still.
You know what Snipers tend to do in real life they find somewhere to snipe and usually stay there sometimes they move sometimes they. If the Sniper is a camper the chances are he will CAMP and stay in the same spot. If you still can't get them you are either crap or not as good as the other person. Sniping does not make you less atleast not any less than random sprayers. You could also sneak up on them at worst in close range they have what a pistol or a Kukri depending on the game. Snipers are not overpowered.
Although on the camping Snipers. Game maps are not that big there are not enough Sniper spots to get a kill and move on. If half of you people actually tried sniping in a game you would realise this which is what forces most people to hard scoping/sniper camping. Even at that why should I kill someone thus revealing my position then proceed to move from cover to get shot by your friends that just does not make sense.
Actually in TF2 you do get a damage boost just from bringing the scope up to your eye. Although in CoD games it is more done for the accuracy bonus as Snipers have appalling off the hip accuracy thus it is a needed skill for any Sniper in case of close quarters in CoD games.Tiny116 said:
FYI people who sit in one spot with a rifle that has a scope does not = a sniper. They are noobs or campers. 1 shot move - Been doing it since Tribes - Makes it more fun for all. Well at least me. I love popping a shot in Arma 2 or TF 2 and moving. I lolz when I am then 30 sec later covering over the spot I was at. lol *pop* Kill +1
There are ways in every game to counter snipers. Even the boom and scoot ones. But most people complain because they want everyone to do that stupid circle of death at 5 feet with an automatic holding the trigger down till your out of ammo. THAT is stupid shit right there that takes zero skill.
There are ways in every game to counter snipers. Even the boom and scoot ones. But most people complain because they want everyone to do that stupid circle of death at 5 feet with an automatic holding the trigger down till your out of ammo. THAT is stupid shit right there that takes zero skill.
I do not enjoy this very much myself. I do not like close range, reflex tester, twitchy finger stuff. I prefer slow paced, sneaking around action with lots of hiding places and having to be slow and careful.herpaderphurr said:
I agree with your last part. However I like the hiding in a bush part. The whole point is to give the person doing it as much of an advantage as possible (which is how you win).TheSeventhLoneWolf said:
AjimboB said:
My feelings about snipers, perfectly expressed in one picture.
No matter what game it is, most snipers just stay in a single spot and camp the crap out of it. You always know where they are, so it's easy to flank and kill them. The only people who hate snipers are those who are too lazy do find and deal with the cause of their frustration.
And mine.LitleWaffle said:
FlashHero said:
I often stay in the same place when sniping (or any other form of camping). You know why? Because no one has the patience to check if I?m still there. They all just run around like rats in a maze, waiting to be picked off.Grouchy Imp said:
Agreed. They want to turn the game into a reflex tester. I do not so I use what ever I can to my advantage.danintexas said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The ArmA franchise is the only gaming franchise where snipers were done right; with real ballistic models, wind, and gravity.
It's the only game where I can say I have crawled for hours just to get into range of my target. It's also a HUGE disadvantage to have a team full of snipers!
It's the only game where I can say I have crawled for hours just to get into range of my target. It's also a HUGE disadvantage to have a team full of snipers!
Well, what I mean is... say in a run-of-the-mill, rifle vs rifle firefight. If you die, your response is "damn, ***** surprised me" or "damn, he had better aim and reflexes."
If you die to a sniper while out in the open... you'd still get pissed, I guess, but it's kinda your fault really. But after you realise snipers are out there, and use cover and try and sneak up on them... and they still manage to see you coming because of poor map design, or jump around and 1-shot-no-scope you at close range... that's just stupid.
TF2 implemented snipers well. They're powerful if you know how to play them, but with major limitations that you have to be skilled to get around. They're also very vulnerable to spies.
If you die to a sniper while out in the open... you'd still get pissed, I guess, but it's kinda your fault really. But after you realise snipers are out there, and use cover and try and sneak up on them... and they still manage to see you coming because of poor map design, or jump around and 1-shot-no-scope you at close range... that's just stupid.
TF2 implemented snipers well. They're powerful if you know how to play them, but with major limitations that you have to be skilled to get around. They're also very vulnerable to spies.
I don't mind snipers at all, although I am utterly useless at it. Anyone else used to play CoD 1 on the PC? The multiplayer of that had an amazing sniper map in the snow. It was great fun, and really tense, sneaking through trenches, in between trees, and round the side of snow mounds to just get to them and try and take down their positions.
This.AjimboB said:
My feelings about snipers, perfectly expressed in one picture.
No matter what game it is, most snipers just stay in a single spot and camp the crap out of it. You always know where they are, so it's easy to flank and kill them. The only people who hate snipers are those who are too lazy do find and deal with the cause of their frustration.
The other day I was playing team tactical in MW2 on search and destroy and all 4 people on the enemy team were using the intervention, they somehow managed to kill both of my teammates but after that is was like shooting a beached whale in a barrel.