The Spoony One has been ejected from That Guy With the Glasses.

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

However, he is still responsible for the posts he made, and being punished over them is fair.

I'm not sure what you mean by "punished," here, so it's possible I'm responding to something you don't actually mean, and if so, I apologize preemptively. That said, though, I think it's wrong to look at Mr. Antwiler's termination as punishment. He was causing negative press for his employer and harming their revenue, not to mention only putting out one review for every four to eight of his contemporaries, so the decision to terminate his employment ought to be viewed as an attempt to preserve the company, not to punish him.

The termination was going too far. I meant the four week suspension. Considering how often he puts up videos (I understand why, but still), it wouldn't have really affected his output, and while Noah would have been annoyed, I think everything would have been fine if it had just been left at that and everyone dropped it.

 

[JimB]

Everyone can claim he or she has a mental disease. The problem here is that it can go from mild to absolutely crippling; from what I have read from you, you sound more on the rational spectrum.

Thank you.

No, really, I'm not being sarcastic. Thank you. It's nice to hear I'm making some forward progress in that regard. I appreciate you saying so; it's a little shot in the arm I can use on days like these.

But as with Spoony, it showed that he isn't, at all.

I disagree with you that "angry" is equivalent to "crippled," and I think you do a disservice to people with mental illnesses to suggest sadness and anger are enough to render them not responsible for their actions. People like us...we need more power in our lives, man. We need to feel like we're not helpless victims drowning in the sea of our own broken brains. Denying him that responsibility is telling him the sea will take him when it wants him and there's nothing he can do about it, so why should he bother even trying?

 

[Dr Jones]

wow, i didnt expect that kind of joke from him. i love spoony and im really sad hes gone, but thats pretty fucked up

You didn't?! That is TOTALLY up Spoony's alley. Remember when he reviewed some movie with a lady who had breast reduction surgery, at which point he goes "Hey I don't care how small they are, just gimme a call and i'ma take you to Space Mountain, whoooooooooooooooooo...... Space Mountain is my penis".

 

[Khazoth]

However, he is still responsible for the posts he made, and being punished over them is fair.

I'm not sure what you mean by "punished," here, so it's possible I'm responding to something you don't actually mean, and if so, I apologize preemptively. That said, though, I think it's wrong to look at Mr. Antwiler's termination as punishment. He was causing negative press for his employer and harming their revenue, not to mention only putting out one review for every four to eight of his contemporaries, so the decision to terminate his employment ought to be viewed as an attempt to preserve the company, not to punish him.

The termination was going too far. I meant the four week suspension. Considering how often he puts up videos (I understand why, but still), it wouldn't have really affected his output, and while Noah would have been annoyed, I think everything would have been fine if it had just been left at that and everyone dropped it.

..How.. often.. he puts up.. videos... Ow, that made my brain hurt a little. He releases v-logs and then sometimes, once or twice every six months he'll release a real video. The termination wasn't because he made a joke, it was that he acted like monkey at the zoo after it happend. He said he agreed with the decision, and then promptly went back to making fun of it.

I don't agree with taking his original joke too seriously, it seems fairly typical not-serious joke. But still, when someone gets offended at my joke I stop and apologize, and if I get in trouble at WORK? Well.. I would sit on my hands and act like a good worker bee for a while at least so I wouldn't get fired. This isn't rocket science its basic stuff he should know.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

However, he is still responsible for the posts he made, and being punished over them is fair.

I'm not sure what you mean by "punished," here, so it's possible I'm responding to something you don't actually mean, and if so, I apologize preemptively. That said, though, I think it's wrong to look at Mr. Antwiler's termination as punishment. He was causing negative press for his employer and harming their revenue, not to mention only putting out one review for every four to eight of his contemporaries, so the decision to terminate his employment ought to be viewed as an attempt to preserve the company, not to punish him.

The termination was going too far. I meant the four week suspension. Considering how often he puts up videos (I understand why, but still), it wouldn't have really affected his output, and while Noah would have been annoyed, I think everything would have been fine if it had just been left at that and everyone dropped it.

..How.. often.. he puts up.. videos... Ow, that made my brain hurt a little. He releases v-logs and then sometimes, once or twice every six months he'll release a real video. The termination wasn't because he made a joke, it was that he acted like monkey at the zoo after it happened. He said he agreed with the decision, and then promptly went back to making fun of it.

For the first part, that's what I meant. He could easily have gone four weeks on suspension, spending the time working on a script, perhaps. He doesn't release videos every month, so one month of not making videos wouldn't have affected him as much as, say, Film Brain.

For the second part, you are right, to a point. But why did he have a meltdown over Twitter? Because of Lupa constantly talking about him all over her blog. He felt the need to strike back, and it got out of control, with Lupa pushing it along. And there is a difference between accepting a decision, and agreeing with it to the point of not engaging in some good-natured snarking. I mean, he wasn't insulting anyone in particular on CA, or the fans. He just found it odd that he was suspended for an off-color joke, when others had made jokes that were as bad or worse without problems.

Edit: Actually, he was having some fun with the fans. A bit of biting humor that, for some, could be offended if taken seriously. But telling Spoony he's not allowed to insult his fans at all is like telling Doug that he has to calm down during Nostalgia Critics. It's part of what they do. And Spoony, contrary to belief, doesn't seem to actually hate his fanbase. Rather, I think he just pokes fun at some of the more controversial people, or makes fun of them.

 

[Karadalis]

Everyone can claim he or she has a mental disease. The problem here is that it can go from mild to absolutely crippling; from what I have read from you, you sound more on the rational spectrum.

Thank you.

No, really, I'm not being sarcastic. Thank you. It's nice to hear I'm making some forward progress in that regard. I appreciate you saying so; it's a little shot in the arm I can use on days like these.

But as with Spoony, it showed that he isn't, at all.

I disagree with you that "angry" is equivalent to "crippled," and I think you do a disservice to people with mental illnesses to suggest sadness and anger are enough to render them not responsible for their actions. People like us...we need more power in our lives, man. We need to feel like we're not helpless victims drowning in the sea of our own broken brains. Denying him that responsibility is telling him the sea will take him when it wants him and there's nothing he can do about it, so why should he bother even trying?

You are very rational in this discussion, you have not insulted berated or belittled my opinion at all so yeah, i take you as a rational being. Youre welcome XD

As to the second part.. spoony wasnt simply angry in his rants.. he was charly sheen material. Crippled might have been to strong of a word but he sure as hell didnt know what he was doing anymore when he lashed out at everyone around him, he was in a rage and unable to simply drop it and its easy to see that he was out of his mind when he did that.

Also he was diagnosed having depressions, and from how his history went they where no minor depressions that you cure with swallowing a pill or two.

You say people like you need more power over their own live. That is true, that is why i said he should have gone offline a long time ago.

It seems to me that the internet is like a drug or an abusive husband to people with stronger depressions. They seek it out for comfort or attention but it ends up making it all worse. The only way i personaly see for noah to get a normal live back is to lay low on the internet use, especialy the usage of social nets and the like. It clearly does not help his condition and has made everything worse. Thats my opinion but if he thinks he can do it otherwise im not going to tell him that my way is the only or even right way.

But my point stands, in this conflict he was not the agressor, he merely reacted. Not in a pretty way mind you, but lupa was clearly in the advantage here and could have dropped this at any moment. But she didnt, she egged spoony on with twitters like "has oreo found you a new mommah"? and even wrote a whole blog post over the issue of "rape not being funny" bevore or during spoonys suspention.

 

[JimB]

He just found it odd that he was suspended for an off-color joke, when others had made jokes that were as bad or worse without problems.

It's been repeated several times that Mr. Antwiler was suspended because fans were e-mailing the site to complain about his treatment of them. Is that story just being dismissed out of hand as untrue?

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

He just found it odd that he was suspended for an off-color joke, when others had made jokes that were as bad or worse without problems.

It's been repeated several times that Mr. Antwiler was suspended because fans were e-mailing the site to complain about his treatment of them. Is that story just being dismissed out of hand as untrue?

No, it's not. But part of the problem was Lupa's reaction to his joke, deciding to be offended by it a month later, and complaining about it all over her blog while he was on suspension for, as you said, fan complaints. The fan complaints started it (and I realize I've been a bit inconsistent on stating that, but that is what I believe now), but Lupa pushed it over the edge.

And as far as I know, everyone is either staying neutral, or supporting Lupa. That's the part that bugs me. No one seems to be taking Spoony's side. You're either against him, or you aren't involved.

I will admit that Spoony has an issue with his fans. But it's not a recent one by any means. His fanbase has always been volatile, so I don't understand why it's just now an issue.

 

[Khazoth]

For the first part, that's what I meant. He could easily have gone four weeks on suspension, spending the time working on a script, perhaps. He doesn't release videos every month, so one month of not making videos wouldn't have affected him as much as, say, Film Brain.

For the second part, you are right, to a point. But why did he have a meltdown over Twitter? Because of Lupa constantly talking about him all over her blog. He felt the need to strike back, and it got out of control, with Lupa pushing it along. And there is a difference between accepting a decision, and agreeing with it to the point of not engaging in some good-natured snarking. I mean, he wasn't insulting anyone in particular on CA, or the fans. He just found it odd that he was suspended for an off-color joke, when others had made jokes that were as bad or worse without problems.

Edit: Actually, he was having some fun with the fans. A bit of biting humor that, for some, could be offended if taken seriously. But telling Spoony he's not allowed to insult his fans at all is like telling Doug that he has to calm down during Nostalgia Critics. It's part of what they do. And Spoony, contrary to belief, doesn't seem to actually hate his fanbase. Rather, I think he just pokes fun at some of the more controversial people, or makes fun of them.

Honestly? This is what i'm talking about, TGWTG is a center of egomasses that is set to volatile. Its ready to explode at any moment if anyone does anything wrong because its 'talent' has inflated ego from a fanbase that will tell them they can do no wrong. Lupa took the joke way too seriously, and even so Noah should've manned up and zipped his lip after he got fired. Even good natured snarking isn't a good thing to do after being scolded by the people who help you make money.

Heck, LordKat went on a fiery ego fueled rant about how he was more talented and he left TGWTG because Spoony and Joe ruined his career and they made it so people assosiated with TGWTG couldn't be taken seriously as game journalists or critics. The fact is? More will happen, more people will be fired even after this.


That said? It'll probably be Joe.

 

[Karadalis]

He just found it odd that he was suspended for an off-color joke, when others had made jokes that were as bad or worse without problems.

It's been repeated several times that Mr. Antwiler was suspended because fans were e-mailing the site to complain about his treatment of them. Is that story just being dismissed out of hand as untrue?

Yeah but what caused these complaints? His breakdowns, and the conflict between him and lupa was the final drop that broke the barrel so to speak.

Lupas fans suposedly attacked spoony for this "joke" and i can imagine that he felt very cornered at that moment, so he lashed out giving people material against him.

It still all boils down to lupa lighting the fuse and giggling over the explosion.

Also "fan" complaints? Really? Fans arent even customers and i doubt spoony had that much of an influence or presence to threaten CAs add revenue. Also theres alot of hate for CA in general on the net so if we go after "fan" complaints the whole CA must be taken down in an instand XD

Also since when has any business taken fan complaints into account? Last time i checked the only complaints companys take into account are those of shareholders XP

Isnt that right EA? ^^

 

[JimB]

No, it's not.

Okay, just checking. I'm floating between a lot of conversations about this topic, and I'm getting hazy on which one I'm actually having at any given time.

And as far as I know, everyone is either staying neutral, or supporting Lupa. That's the part that bugs me. No one seems to be taking Spoony's side. You're either against him, or you aren't involved.

His fans are on his side, but that probably isn't what you meant, is it?

If none of the contributors to thatguywiththeglasses.com have Mr. Antwiler's back...well, it hurts me to say it, but he made that bed for himself and he can go sleep in it. Everyone I have personally seen show him concern, he's shot down, banned, and viciously insulted. I mean, Kyle Kallgren, Oancitizen, tried multiple times and was told with varying degrees of politeness to fuck off.

There is a very real possibility that I can only remain a fan of Spoony because I do not use Twitter, I don't have an account for his site, I don't use Facebook, and just in general have absolutely no means of contacting him to have my concern responded to with abuse. If he and I ever exchanged words, I might end up writing him off too. There's only so much anyone can do to support someone who does not want to be supported.

I will admit that Spoony has an issue with his fans. But it's not a recent one by any means. His fanbase has always been volatile, so I don't understand why it's just now an issue.

I don't think it logically follows to say it's "just now an issue." All we know is that we only now know it's a serious issue. As to what's been going on behind the scenes, or for how long, or how serious it's been, who knows? All I can say is that Holly Christine is a business person, and I doubt she's so incompetent at her job or self-defeating that she would lead the conversation to an ultimatum if it wasn't in the company's best interests to do so.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

For the first part, that's what I meant. He could easily have gone four weeks on suspension, spending the time working on a script, perhaps. He doesn't release videos every month, so one month of not making videos wouldn't have affected him as much as, say, Film Brain.

For the second part, you are right, to a point. But why did he have a meltdown over Twitter? Because of Lupa constantly talking about him all over her blog. He felt the need to strike back, and it got out of control, with Lupa pushing it along. And there is a difference between accepting a decision, and agreeing with it to the point of not engaging in some good-natured snarking. I mean, he wasn't insulting anyone in particular on CA, or the fans. He just found it odd that he was suspended for an off-color joke, when others had made jokes that were as bad or worse without problems.

Edit: Actually, he was having some fun with the fans. A bit of biting humor that, for some, could be offended if taken seriously. But telling Spoony he's not allowed to insult his fans at all is like telling Doug that he has to calm down during Nostalgia Critics. It's part of what they do. And Spoony, contrary to belief, doesn't seem to actually hate his fanbase. Rather, I think he just pokes fun at some of the more controversial people, or makes fun of them.

Honestly? This is what i'm talking about, TGWTG is a center of egomasses that is set to volatile. Its ready to explode at any moment if anyone does anything wrong because its 'talent' has inflated ego from a fanbase that will tell them they can do no wrong. Lupa took the joke way too seriously, and even so Noah should've manned up and zipped his lip after he got fired. Even good natured snarking isn't a good thing to do after being scolded by the people who help you make money.

Heck, LordKat went on a fiery ego fueled rant about how he was more talented and he left TGWTG because Spoony and Joe ruined his career and they made it so people assosiated with TGWTG couldn't be taken seriously as game journalists or critics. The fact is? More will happen, more people will be fired even after this.

First paragraph, I agree, there is definitely fault on both parts. I agree with everything you say, but again, CA telling Spoony not to snark to fans...they had to know that he wouldn't follow that. It would totally be against what he does. I may sound a bit like a conspiracy theorist here, but I'm not convinced that CA didn't give that order, knowing that Spoony wouldn't follow it, giving them reason to fire him.

As for LordKat...I've said my piece on him. Suffice to say that he has a higher opinion of himself than I have of him. And I'm sure more people will be fired, or leave. Hopefully, Lupa is among them. She shares just as much blame for Spoony's lashing out as Spoony.

 

[The Human Torch]

I love the nostalgia critic and linkera, those two are the only ones on the thatguywiththeglasses website that I can stand, but I just can't comprimend that so many people are invested in this.

Because humans like drama and evidently enough of us cared enough about Tgwtg to be interested in their particular drama, much like others get invested in the personal lives of celebrities in gossip magazines or the big dramas of theatre that people went to see throughout the ages.

Oh and then there's the whole "finding out what goes on behind the laughter" aspect of the story as for the most part, we see these people as being funny and being all buddy buddies with each other, yet its clear all is not well in nostalgiacritic land.

I have never been someone to care deeply about the going-on of a celebrity, be it someone like Kim Kardashian or Linkara. Their business is their business.
TGWTG fired someone, for whatever reason, and it's their business really.

 

[JimB]

Yeah but what caused these complaints? His breakdowns, and the conflict between him and Lupa was the final drop that broke the barrel so to speak.

I do not, for the purposes of the conversation I'm having with thebobmaster, care about what caused those complaints. It is irrelevant to me, and I'll never know what caused them anyway because I have no access to the e-mails themselves. I only know what I've heard: that Spoony is losing fans over his constant attacks on them.

Also "fan" complaints? Really?

Yes, really.

Fans aren't even customers.

This is factually untrue. Thatguywiththeglasses.com generates its revenue by selling ad space during their videos; the advertisers tally up the number of views their ads have received and pay thatguywiththeglasses.com based on that number of views. Anyone who watches a video on that site is a customer, and anyone who tells the boss he intends to stop watching those videos over a contributor's behavior is a customer lost.

I doubt Spoony had that much of an influence or presence to threaten Channel Awesome's ad revenue.

The bosses at Channel Awesome disagree, and since they have more information on the topic than you or I have, I shall defer to their judgment over yours.

 

[malestrithe]

No, it's not. But part of the problem was Lupa's reaction to his joke, deciding to be offended by it a month later, and complaining about it all over her blog while he was on suspension for, as you said, fan complaints. The fan complaints started it (and I realize I've been a bit inconsistent on stating that, but that is what I believe now), but Lupa pushed it over the edge.

And as far as I know, everyone is either staying neutral, or supporting Lupa. That's the part that bugs me. No one seems to be taking Spoony's side. You're either against him, or you aren't involved.

I will admit that Spoony has an issue with his fans. But it's not a recent one by any means. His fanbase has always been volatile, so I don't understand why it's just now an issue.

Yes, you are ignoring the Emails from the fans and you keep harping on the Alison connection. You are also ignoring the hundreds of responses, here and other places on the Internet, that place blame on Alison. As far as I know, you have blinders on that prevent you from seeing how the fans are reacting.

Or do you mean the contributors at channel awesome. Well because they work for the site, maybe they know something we don't. Probably they are aware of what's going on and choose to remain out of it because of their special information.

What is there a specific time window to take offense at something? No, there is not. It is possible to seethe over something until it offends you.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

No, it's not. But part of the problem was Lupa's reaction to his joke, deciding to be offended by it a month later, and complaining about it all over her blog while he was on suspension for, as you said, fan complaints. The fan complaints started it (and I realize I've been a bit inconsistent on stating that, but that is what I believe now), but Lupa pushed it over the edge.

And as far as I know, everyone is either staying neutral, or supporting Lupa. That's the part that bugs me. No one seems to be taking Spoony's side. You're either against him, or you aren't involved.

I will admit that Spoony has an issue with his fans. But it's not a recent one by any means. His fanbase has always been volatile, so I don't understand why it's just now an issue.

Yes, you are ignoring the Emails from the fans and you keep harping on the Alison connection. You are also ignoring the hundreds of responses, here and other places on the Internet, that place blame on Alison. As far as I know, you have blinders on that prevent you from seeing how the fans are reacting.

Or do you mean the contributors at channel awesome. Well because they work for the site, maybe they know something we don't. Probably they are aware of what's going on and choose to remain out of it because of their special information.

What is there a specific time window to take offense at something? No, there is not. It is possible to seethe over something until it offends you.

I'm not claiming to speak for all fans. That would be stupid. All I can do is put in my personal opinion, with the facts that I know. And What I know is that Spoony was suspended, apparently for fan complaints. Fair enough. But he was told not to snark at fans while on suspension, which is like telling Film Brain to do a perky review. And I am putting some of the blame on Alison, because she deserves it, in my opinion. She dredged up a month old issue, while Spoony was on suspension, to basically fire at him, knowing that he couldn't fire back without serious consequences, which is exactly what happened.

The blame between Alison and Noah is, in my opinion, 60/40, respectively. A pretty large chunk of blame for Spoony, but Alison was the catalyst resulting in him being FIRED rather than suspended. Does that make sense to you?

 

[Silverspetz]

Maybe the drop in cash flow will encourage Spoony to stop moping around and get off (or on) his ass and make some videos in a timely fashion.

If Brad Jones can come out with a snob episode every week and still have time for midnight showings, 80's Dan, writing/staring/directing movies, Ninja The mission Force, and is preparing for an animated series than I think Spoony can come out with 2 episodes a month.

Dude, depression (ACTUAL depression) isn't something you just shrug off and get on with your work after. Have you been paying attention to ANY of the crap that Spoony has been through over the past year and a half? The guy needs some time to recover, not push himself into a wall to satisfy his demanding fans.

I know, I suffer from depression and am on several medications and taking therapy. My two aunts and my uncle all have cancer and guess what? They go to work on time. Just because you have problems doesn't mean you should ditch your responsibilities. His fans pay his bills, I think he can contribute in a timely fashion.

Good for you and your relatives then, but when your symptoms get in the way of you doing your work, it is time to stop or else you are not only going to hurt yourself but also your work.

Spoony is a comedian, an entertainer. A depression and the symptoms that comes with it is a BIG block for him and what he does. If he is to actually produce anything of quality, then he needs to work through this BEFORE he goes back to making funny videos. It's pretty damn hard to be funny when you are depressed you know.

 

[MrMan999]

The only one in this Drama who is acting like a professional is JesuOtaku. Every one else. Especially Lupa and Spoony, are acting like a petulant child.

 

[Karadalis]

The bosses at Channel Awesome disagree, and since they have more information on the topic than you or I have, I shall defer to their judgment over yours.

The bosses at channel awesome gave us a cutout explanation that you will find in any company when they kick someone. No company would EVER spill the beans, they all hide behind these interpretable statements where you can neither claim they are wrong nor are they right. Its just business PR BS.

Fact is all this happened in a very short time and his conflict with lupa and the whole shebang afterwards is just to close together for not being connected.

As to his presence and influence:

People complained in this very thread that spoony was not delivering enough content to the site. So if he doesnt deliver.. how can he have an influence whatsoever on add revenue when hes so sparely shown on the website?

The only negative impact on add ravenue he could have would be on his own website. You cant influence things when youre not around.

What i mean is that people that go to TGWTG to see other peoples videos are highly unlikely to be influenced by spoonys twitter breakdowns. Atleast i like to believe that people have enough braincells to differnciate between one single producer and everyone else on the site.

Writing "complaints emails" when you are not even a customer, havent spend any money whatsoever on a product, or be anyways else monetary involved in the business have absolutely no right to complaint at all especially when they are bitching about stuff that has nothing to do with noahs actual job as a producer.

Had they complaints about the quality of the videos or that he was offensive INSIDE said videos he produced i could understand, but complaining that the dude is a jerk outside his job? Sorry but there are far worse people out there that dont get fired for being a jackass in every days live.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Not taking up arms for Spoony, but it seems hypocritical they'll fire Spoony but this Lupa-lass gets away scot-free with lighting his fuse.

Okay.

Mr. Antwiler is a grown man. He can purchase tobacco, alcohol, and firearms; he can probably operate a motor vehicle; he can participate in the electoral process; he can be charged as an adult in criminal proceedings. He is supposed to be responsible for his own actions. I am among the biggest of Spoony fans--I will still visit his site and watch his reviews, and I will express no anger at him for his behavior, only a sadness and an earnest hope that he gets his mind healthy again and that he can repair the friendships he's lost--but neither my respect for his talent nor Ms. Pregler's comments somehow excuse him from his responsibility to be in control of himself.

Perhaps his mental illness is to blame here, and if so, I have nothing but sympathy for him; but his mental illness does not mean he isn't in violation of his terms of employment with Channel Awesome.

[Mr. Pregler] could have just blocked/unfollowed [Mr. Antwiler] and moved on.

And he could have done the same to her, so please explain to me why she's the villain here for engaging in exactly the same behavior he did.

Cause Spoony's attack was the effect, not the cause sir.

Plus yeah I read his feed, several times he states if someone doesn't like what he's saying they can use the block button and move on with their day.