The Spoony One has been ejected from That Guy With the Glasses.

[Falcon123]

Wow, it's amazing to see how many people are missing what ACTUALLY happened.

Channel Awesome has come out repeated times saying that the rape joke, Obscurus Lupa's reaction, and any of the Lord Kat controversy had NOTHING to do with why he quit (and he did quit, mind you. He was given a four week suspension and quit two days in after originally saying he agreed with the decision). Look at Gookygox's twitter and all the comments they've made. They've made this point overwhelmingly clear.

The reasons for him being suspended have a lot to do with more recent actions on his part (the rape joke was a couple months ago, and he received his warning as everyone moved on from that awkwardness). He's been exploding at fans and fellow contributors left and right, continuously trying to hook up with every female member of the site both on and offline, and he's pushed away multiple people who attempted to reach out to him both privately and publicly (look at Linkara and Oancitizen's twitter for what I mean).

The guy is clearly very depressed, and he doesn't seem to have any interest in making himself better. Does that mean people should stop watching his videos? Of course not. There are far worse things than being an asshole in this world. But on a website that prides itself on creating a community? He didn't belong anymore. CA made the right choice with a suspension (again, NOT fired), and Spoony may have made the right choice for himself by leaving the site. Just please, no one make this about an incredibly distasteful joke made over a month ago that had nothing to do with what's going on.

The Lupa et al. blaming really needs to stop. It's patently clear that not only is it not about the rape joke, but also that everyone involved - except Spoony, it should be noted - would much rather just move on from it.

I mean, for one, it's virulently misogynistic to blame women for being offended by harassment and rape jokes. For two, it's psychotic to unflaggingly support Spoony as if he's done nothing wrong. For three, it's making a personal conflict into a sad, public spectacle which, if you all were so concerned about Spoony's mental health, you wouldn't want to be doing.

Scarlett was right that curiosity is addicting [http://scarlettopia.tumblr.com/], but it's a moral wrong to satisfy your curiosity when it's at the expense of others.

I agree whole-heartedly. I think the only person outside of Spoony that has truly acted in the wrong was LordKat, and he's negligible in influence. People just need to back off and let everyone cool down. Otherwise, no one is getting out of this with his or her reputation intact.

 

[Falcon123]

Some background into this.
This is the original tweet in question:

Spoiler

At the time this was tweeted JessuOtaku had blow it off and it had gone under the radar.
Allison Pregler (aka Obscurus_Lupa) admitted (I'm still looking for the exact tweet, I lost it in all the mess) that she wasn't a fan of Noah after E3/as of late noticed he was in a bad place emotionally and thus dredged the tweet up to rip into him.

This led to a back and forth between them, that escalated into insult throwing.

Right as this escalation grew Channel Awesome, the guys behind That Guy With the Glasses, suddenly put Spoony on a suspension. Considering the amount of parroting Lupa has done of Holly Christine (Human Resources for Channel Awesome), many believe there are some shenanigans behind the scene with Holly taking Allison's side and serving up spoony.

Once the news of the suspension hit the net, and spoony went on a twitter spree, channel awesome threw him a ban, and the a subsequent announcement of letting him go.

More speculation: A lot of Channel Awesome members have been copy pasting to their twitters that this had nothing to do with the tweet/feud, but the timing of events and Lupa pretty much cheering over it makes it look pretty dirty.

Members of channel awesome have been handling it pretty badly too, ranging from people like Phelous accusing spoony of being a misogynistic stalker to LordKat encouraging Spoony to commit suicide.

I'll refine and expound on all this if there is interest.

I'd have thought Lupa and Spoony would have gotten along well considering their personas. Pretty shitty of her to exploit him like this. What did he do at E3? I'd noticed he wasn't posting regularly on the site for some time before now, is there a connection?

Exploit? Do you not know what sexual harassment IS? I'd go to HR and complain about it if it made me uncomfortable. All they had to do was tell him that he overstepped his bounds, and not to do it again, or ChannelAwesome would be liable. Sounds like he went on a tirade, so I can't really blame anyone but Spoony here.

Hope he goes back on his meds and takes a chill pill.

Two things
1)He didn't send the original message to Lupa, he sent it to JO and she wasn't bothered by it. Lupa just dug up the tweet to antagonize him

2)If you checked the responses you can see they went WAY beyond a simple reprimand.

Two things to your two things:

1. Lupa didn't just dig it up. She has a blog for which she writes weekly, the topic came up in another video she was doing, and she referenced it. Very big difference.

2. If you look at Spoony's responses, he was saying far worse far more often to many more people. People like Lupa definitely let him get under their skin too much, but this stuff has been building for months now; it was bound to boil over eventually

 

[Iso Cross]

I just seen Angry Joe tweets about chewing LordKat out for basically lying about E3 and taking the piss out of Spoony. Spoony has been one of the main people I watched on TGWTG and just hope he gets the help he needs.

 

[Teleportman]

I think he was talking about trimming the people he followed.

Code of Conduct? More like Code Of Censorship.

Not censorship, responsibility. When they post on Twitter they aren?t anonymous, they use their real name and below you see their main characters name. And those characters ?work? and are the public ?mascots? of Channel Awesome. They represent the company. It?s cute they twit around like school friends but they have thousands of people as followers. Those can?t know their little inside jokes to be on the fun.

When you have power, even as small as these people have, you should know that you are responsible for what you say. Continue to make ?comedy? based on archaic misogynist stereotypes just extends them and makes them ?normal?; that doesn?t better the world. And if you think that is corny, well, the reality is that people just like to reference comedy, not create it. A real comedian creates new stuff.

This wasn?t a group of friends telling dump private jokes to each other in a bar. It was one famous guy telling thousands of people (I think it was 31k back then) that he felt like raping a female co-worker, or that another isn?t a real friend, or that he can?t stand blablah?s that? co-worker he really hardly knows because they don?t even work in a normal office.

 

[JimB]

Doug Walker is one of the main people behind TGWTG, actually. He was in Entrepeneur magazine a while ago, along with Bhargav and Mike Ellis for it.

My mistake; I'd heard the business end had always been run by other people. Mike Michaud and Bhargav and a bunch of other people who aren't around any more.

 

[Teleportman]

I just seen Angry Joe tweets about chewing LordKat out for basically lying about E3 and taking the piss out of Spoony. Spoony has been one of the main people I watched on TGWTG and just hope he gets the help he needs.

Must have been deleted. Says he's calmed down and decided to solve this by email directly with Lordkat. Says he was specifically replying to the part said about him (Ajoe).

So when the Walkers finally come back, what's going to happen?

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBMNvtzNQc

(best thing to come out of all of this)

 

[JimB]

Lupa taking a month to get offended due to her low IQ I assume, her equally low-IQ boyfriend

Poor sport, sir.

 

[malestrithe]

If you feel that way, stop being spoony's fan? It's simple as that.

Also it's not like we buy shit from Spoony, his videos are free for us to watch save for any blip advertising.... so it's really not something anyone can complain about- his attitude or the amount of time he makes a video. It's free. If he was charging us directly, it would be a different story.

And I disagree. Right now we're all kinda watching spoony to see what he does, nows the time he has to really step his game up and start producing content cause it'll snowball towards him.

You are missing a crucial step in this argument.

Free or not, we are paying his bills by watching his content. He generates revenue from every view on his site. Right now, it's his sole source of income. In order for him to keep making that income, he needs to stop insulting his fans.

And there is a different in between being himself and being abusive. Being himself was when he reviewed Reb Brown stuff, the movies from fighting games series. Being abusive is when he did the Blood Vengeance video, the FFx-2 series and Ultima 9. He stopped being himself about the time he decided to do reviews of things that purposefully made him angry. Like his Wrestle Wrestle run. He was not having fun with the show, but kept it going longer than he should have. Who did he blame all the way, his fans for making him do that.

For the record, I was not amused by the anger.

 

[Iso Cross]

Ah, my apologies! It seemed he had taken them down but it seemed to surround E3 and LordKat, who I've seen on the forum as basically a scum bag for trying to get Spoony to kill himself with his brothers gun. My utmost apologies.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

SaneAmongInsane, I have asked you twice now why you criticize everyone except Mr. Antwiler for not just silently using the Block button (or its equivalent) instead of responding to material he disagrees with, and twice you haven't answered. It's fine if you don't want to, but please don't think I have forgotten.

I don't hate Coca Cola because Coca Cola will tell anyone listening that they are a brand. They're not your friend, your old buddy, your old pal; they are a souless corporation hell bent on cash and are proud of it.

Wanting to make money is not soulless. It is how people in America survive. Without money, people can't buy things like, say, food, or electricity, or a home, or any of the other things that are kind of necessary in order to continue breathing.

If it's true what you say, and they've always been about money, why didn't they just say, "Oh, Spoony was making us nervous about the potential revenue we can all bring in so we canned him even though clearly a vocal part of you fans would like us not to. Oh well!" Instead they gave us that PR bullshit about parting ways so they can try to spin it to make themselves look like they're NOT about money.

I'm just guessing here, but based on things LordKaT in the video condemning Mr. Antwiler, producers for Channel Awesome have a nondisclosure clause in their contracts that prohibit either the producer or the company from discussing the details of an employee's termination, and if either side broke that contract, he can probably be sued for it.

Go back some pages and dig around for that Amazing Athiest vlog he did explaining how they dropped him, and they told him flat out it was because he was to dark and Channel Awesome wanted to go "mainstream."

So what? Why can't they want that?

And example as to why treating your costumers like your bestest pal is annoying and wrong:

"I don't wanna be your buddy rick, I just want a little breakfast." sums up my view eloquently enough.

Spoony does and has been blocking people that are trolling him, he doesn't announce each individual one. And when he does announce it, it's a joke.

Also yeah, sorry, I really can't put up the line by line chopping of my posts.

 

[JimB]

And example as to why treating your costumers like your bestest pal is annoying and wrong: [snip] "I don't wanna be your buddy, Rick; I just want a little breakfast," sums up my view eloquently enough.

I uh, I really don't think a person in the middle of a psychotic break is someone to emulate.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

And example as to why treating your costumers like your bestest pal is annoying and wrong: [snip] "I don't wanna be your buddy, Rick; I just want a little breakfast," sums up my view eloquently enough.

I uh, I really don't think a person in the middle of a psychotic break is someone to emulate.

And behind you and to your left you'll see my point, that you clearly missed.


(Ah sorry, couldn't be helped).

Clearly if you've been listening I've said repeatedly that making money isn't a bad thing. my favorite part of the movie version of Atlas Shrugged was when Rearden's leftist friend was telling him that his PR problem was that everyone believes that the only thing he cared about is money. Rearden responds with a shocked honest look, "but that IS all I care about."

It's when you start luring customers with that kind of warm veneer of, say for example in the video, having the costumers call your employees by their first names... that's wrong, it's creating the illusion that company genuinely cares about it's costumers and it's workers when it doesn't. It's dishonest. I really don't know how to spell it out any clearer.

If they legit said "we fired him because he was jeopardizing our money" I'd be all, Right on. Instead they gave us a bunch of PR nonsense where they tried to spin it to still uphold the image that it wasn't about money, when clearly it ultimately was.

Now if that isn't clear enough still, I throw up my hands.

 

[runic knight]

I uh, I really don't think a person in the middle of a psychotic break is someone to emulate.

Seemed he was more pointing to it as something to avoid, not emulate but still, sadly sort of similar to the situation here though, isn't it?


I say there is blame to be passed around. Spoony reacted and has to bare the result of his reaction. Lupa instigated the mentally unwell guy. The fans on both sides probably egged them on and helped themselves to attacking their opponent more directly. The last probably being why neither spoony nor lupa could just block the other, as the fans would just keep egging it on and passing the messages regardless.

No one can deny spoony has fault here. But nor can people deny lupa seemed to be instigating.


The reason the Amazing Atheist/Distressed Watcher was let go in part ego and in part the site. He was upset that even though he was more popular then a number of other contributors, he was being pushed back on the line up because of company politics and his stuff being more darker and tied with more divisive fan base. He felt, since he was more popular and was getting more views, he should be getting placement on the site then some of the others. This being right or wrong is up to opinion I guess, but it does show examples of the sort of content the site is after having an effect and the site's policies outranking popularity. Thus, it adds doubt to claims the decision with spoony was done over matters of financial impact, which has been a common defense of the site in how they handled it. After all, if they let a popular and active contributor go because of differences of opinion regarding site placement and promotion, another popular contributor being let go doesn't have to be solely about money either. Thus why people bring up the Distressed Watcher here.

 

[Wdbisl]

Wow this is kinda sad and see all the comments about what happened makes me feel worse. It's weird how much drama can go on behind the scenes and no one even notice for a long while.

 

[subtlefuge]

It's strange that this many people care about TGWTG. Outside of Linkara being a halfway reasonable person who has had a few really good videos, the rest of the site is all about who can ham the most, yell the loudest, and plagiarize unfunny things the most.

 

[Khazoth]

It's strange that this many people care about TGWTG. Outside of Linkara being a halfway reasonable person who has had a few really good videos, the rest of the site is all about who can ham the most, yell the loudest, and plagiarize unfunny things the most.

What? I'll not comment on his videos being good, because its about personal taste. (My personal taste says that their very, very bad.) But outside of that? If you've heard anything from the people who have worked with him you'd know that behind the camera is an insane person to work with who is basicly a premadona.

That said? Sage and Snob are the talented ones on the site, and they don't yell or plagiarize.