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But the question was about whether notebooks or netbooks were better. Now, I like the idea of a netbook. Small, able to be carried about easily - I can't see why university students would want anything else for actual college work. I've tried lugging about my laptop through college - it's a gargantua compared to an ASUS Eee PC, not helped by the fact that I haven't been able to hack in a wireless connection to Trinity College's network. However, I'd rather have that larger screen and slightly lesser cost compared to a netbook, and so I chose notebook, less because I'd ever want it for games, and more because an old one can be picked up quite cheaply.
Again, I can speak from both sides here. 2.5 of my 5 years total at uni, I carried with me a fairly large Acer Travelmate, and while I loved it dearly (and still do! Desk-bound though it now may be) it was a pain to lug, and required an investment in a whole new backpack complete with laptop area.

Not so the Eee. That thing I could practically carry on its own, or just chucked into a small backpack with its own carry-case around it for protection. It ran all the presentations my lecturers had, and while it wouldn't run all the software we needed to run, that's what uni lab computers are for.

The only failure of the Eee was that QUT's wireless network at the time was in the transition between exclusively VPN and exclusively PEAP-authenticated, with the VPN to be phased out very rapidly - and the VPN being the only method offered for Eee users to connect. And despite my efforts, I could never get wpa_supplicant to play nicely :(
 

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BlueMage said:
RAKtheUndead said:
But the question was about whether notebooks or netbooks were better. Now, I like the idea of a netbook. Small, able to be carried about easily - I can't see why university students would want anything else for actual college work. I've tried lugging about my laptop through college - it's a gargantua compared to an ASUS Eee PC, not helped by the fact that I haven't been able to hack in a wireless connection to Trinity College's network. However, I'd rather have that larger screen and slightly lesser cost compared to a netbook, and so I chose notebook, less because I'd ever want it for games, and more because an old one can be picked up quite cheaply.
Again, I can speak from both sides here. 2.5 of my 5 years total at uni, I carried with me a fairly large Acer Travelmate, and while I loved it dearly (and still do! Desk-bound though it now may be) it was a pain to lug, and required an investment in a whole new backpack complete with laptop area.

Not so the Eee. That thing I could practically carry on its own, or just chucked into a small backpack with its own carry-case around it for protection. It ran all the presentations my lecturers had, and while it wouldn't run all the software we needed to run, that's what uni lab computers are for.

The only failure of the Eee was that QUT's wireless network at the time was in the transition between exclusively VPN and exclusively PEAP-authenticated, with the VPN to be phased out very rapidly - and the VPN being the only method offered for Eee users to connect. And despite my efforts, I could never get wpa_supplicant to play nicely :(
Portability was never a problem with mine. I already had a backpack left over from high school that had a laptop area-thing and weight means nothing to me. My backpack in high school after the first month, never went below 50lbs and I had to carry the thing down 2 flights of stairs in the morning and up 2 flights of stairs in the afternoon because it was the only way to get to my room.

Edit 50lbs=22.6796kg
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
crimson5pheonix said:
BlueMage said:
RAKtheUndead said:
But the question was about whether notebooks or netbooks were better. Now, I like the idea of a netbook. Small, able to be carried about easily - I can't see why university students would want anything else for actual college work. I've tried lugging about my laptop through college - it's a gargantua compared to an ASUS Eee PC, not helped by the fact that I haven't been able to hack in a wireless connection to Trinity College's network. However, I'd rather have that larger screen and slightly lesser cost compared to a netbook, and so I chose notebook, less because I'd ever want it for games, and more because an old one can be picked up quite cheaply.
Again, I can speak from both sides here. 2.5 of my 5 years total at uni, I carried with me a fairly large Acer Travelmate, and while I loved it dearly (and still do! Desk-bound though it now may be) it was a pain to lug, and required an investment in a whole new backpack complete with laptop area.

Not so the Eee. That thing I could practically carry on its own, or just chucked into a small backpack with its own carry-case around it for protection. It ran all the presentations my lecturers had, and while it wouldn't run all the software we needed to run, that's what uni lab computers are for.

The only failure of the Eee was that QUT's wireless network at the time was in the transition between exclusively VPN and exclusively PEAP-authenticated, with the VPN to be phased out very rapidly - and the VPN being the only method offered for Eee users to connect. And despite my efforts, I could never get wpa_supplicant to play nicely :(
Portability was never a problem with mine. I already had a backpack left over from high school that had a laptop area-thing and weight means nothing to me. My backpack in high school after the first month, never went below 50lbs and I had to carry the thing down 2 flights of stairs in the morning and up 2 flights of stairs in the afternoon because it was the only way to get to my room.

Edit 50lbs=22.6796kg
Oh, I remember the problems I had with my bag at secondary school myself, my bag being a more reasonable 20lbs which I could run with, sometimes even at sprint pace. My bag's still heavy enough though, closer to 10-15lbs at the moment, and my problem is more related to size and awkwardness than sheer weight problems, because that addition of a laptop makes it somewhat difficult to do the things that I do, like running up stairs two at a time, jumping the last few stairs of a staircase, et cetera. It restricts my shoulder movement, which makes all the difference, sometimes.

Also, wpa_supplicant: Horrible. So many problems with it myself, which has led to me giving in and downloading a Debian wireless manager for KDE. I'll try again with my laptop soon, because I'm sick of having a laptop that I can't use at college, despite the facilities being available.
Well that sucks. Because I don't have those kind of problems. I can climb stairs 3 at a time with my high school backpack on, I'm used to it. I could run at nearly full speed with it on. It doesn't affect me at all except I have to lean forward a little bit to keep my center of gravity right.
 

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ameatypie said:
Lets see here..... Im looking to spend around $1800NZD ($1000 or so USD) on a Notebook for school next year. I already have a fair idea what i am gonna get (Asus: Duel core 2.66GHz, 4GB RAM, 1GB Graphics, 2x 320GB HDD) but i feel like getting your advice. So advice please!
There, good.... un-derailment question?
Seems a bit overpowered for a school laptop. Are you going to be using this laptop for resource intensive applications like AutoCAD? If not then drop the graphics card. 4GB is excessive, but don't worry too much about that, it can be if you want it to be. Drop one of the hard drives. If you really need that much porn, you can get an external HDD and keep it in your room. Doing that will improve your battery life drastically.
 

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NZ prices are probably much higher than the US, so I can't say whether the notebook is a bargain or not. I live in Asia myself. Do you have a link for that notebook? It seems alright (It's probably overkill on the hard drives, though. Two hard drives for a notebook? That's double the juice you need to power two notebooks right there, which will definitely impact battery performance.) apart from the lack of a graphics card. I would opt to get a model with a single hard drive (320GB is ample and you can use an external drive or usb stick in the future) and use that money on a model with graphics card.
It does have a graphics card - a beefy 1GB as well. I was very surprised when i saw that. But anyway - so go for a cheaper model with a single hard drive to save on the juice? Sounds like a good idea actually...

Even the CPU, which is 2.66GHz, is probably more than you really need. Most of today's visually demanding games are more GPU-bound anyhow so the only thing you lose with less CPU speed is a few seconds here and there for game loading times. Your average browsing activities and office application use will be unaffected. If you are going to use the notebook mainly on battery, keep in mind your CPU will normally be throttled down (underclocked) so that battery life is kept at a maximum which means you will rarely fully utilize all that extra clock speed you paid extra money for.
I plan to keep my CPU at its intended clock speed - battery life is important, but sacrificing 5 or even 10% of it for a slightly swifter laptop is worth it i think.

For your reference, last month I bought my wife a 2GHz Core Duo notebook with 250GB HDD, 2GB 667MHz RAM, 1280x720 display, DVD burner, Wifi, Bluetooth, built-in webcam, Vista Basic and an ATI Radeon HD3470 for USD720 (plus as a bonus not one, but two backup utilities). It's no speed demon but it's responsive and snappy for web browsing and office productivity - just what the old lady needed - and I don't have any problems playing Source engine-based games on this notebook when she's not using it.
Thats not too bad a laptop - although i think i would personally going for 4GB of ram in something like that. I find laptops with 2GB of RAM to still be a little sluggish.
 

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crimson5pheonix said:
ameatypie said:
Lets see here..... Im looking to spend around $1800NZD ($1000 or so USD) on a Notebook for school next year. I already have a fair idea what i am gonna get (Asus: Duel core 2.66GHz, 4GB RAM, 1GB Graphics, 2x 320GB HDD) but i feel like getting your advice. So advice please!
There, good.... un-derailment question?
Seems a bit overpowered for a school laptop. Are you going to be using this laptop for resource intensive applications like AutoCAD? If not then drop the graphics card. 4GB is excessive, but don't worry too much about that, it can be if you want it to be. Drop one of the hard drives. If you really need that much porn, you can get an external HDD and keep it in your room. Doing that will improve your battery life drastically.
yep lol is a little overkill i guess - but i do plan to use it for gaming as well some. School is its primary application (I am 14 (not 24 as it says on my profile) and am going to a private boarding school next year. Will be away from home for up to 3 weeks at a time) But gaming is also a want. oh and btw - it's not for porn :D




well, not ALL of it anyway.......
 

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ameatypie said:
crimson5pheonix said:
ameatypie said:
Lets see here..... Im looking to spend around $1800NZD ($1000 or so USD) on a Notebook for school next year. I already have a fair idea what i am gonna get (Asus: Duel core 2.66GHz, 4GB RAM, 1GB Graphics, 2x 320GB HDD) but i feel like getting your advice. So advice please!
There, good.... un-derailment question?
Seems a bit overpowered for a school laptop. Are you going to be using this laptop for resource intensive applications like AutoCAD? If not then drop the graphics card. 4GB is excessive, but don't worry too much about that, it can be if you want it to be. Drop one of the hard drives. If you really need that much porn, you can get an external HDD and keep it in your room. Doing that will improve your battery life drastically.
yep lol is a little overkill i guess - but i do plan to use it for gaming as well some. School is its primary application (I am 14 (not 24 as it says on my profile) and am going to a private boarding school next year. Will be away from home for up to 3 weeks at a time) But gaming is also a want. oh and btw - it's not for porn :D




well, not ALL of it anyway.......
Well, still keep a small HDD on your laptop for the OS and a second HDD for all your data. If you can spring for it, get an Alienware (and here me out people), you can press a button and turn off the graphics card and underclock the parts to increase battery life, then you can increase all the parts when you get back to a power outlet. Also you can have the keyboard change colors :D
 

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Well, still keep a small HDD on your laptop for the OS and a second HDD for all your data. If you can spring for it, get an Alienware (and here me out people), you can press a button and turn off the graphics card and underclock the parts to increase battery life, then you can increase all the parts when you get back to a power outlet. Also you can have the keyboard change colors :D
Alienware? Your kidding..... i dont have an additional 1800 to spend on my already exsisting 1800 to get the same thing with a colourful keyboard. lol :D I guess i could do what you suggested - but no matter what the HDD, it usually sucks a very similar amount of power right??
 

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ameatypie said:
Well, still keep a small HDD on your laptop for the OS and a second HDD for all your data. If you can spring for it, get an Alienware (and here me out people), you can press a button and turn off the graphics card and underclock the parts to increase battery life, then you can increase all the parts when you get back to a power outlet. Also you can have the keyboard change colors :D
Alienware? Your kidding..... i dont have an additional 1800 to spend on my already exsisting 1800 to get the same thing with a colourful keyboard. lol :D I guess i could do what you suggested - but no matter what the HDD, it usually sucks a very similar amount of power right??
Unless your getting SSDs, it's going to draw tons of power. HDD involve moving parts and getting parts to move will kill your batteries quick.
 

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ameatypie said:
This is true..... But then, i guess i only really need one HDD. 200GB would be enough
More than enough. Mine is 140GB and I have FLCL, Deathnote, Cowboy Bebop, Gundam 00, porn, and a few emulators with games.
 

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honestly while aienware makes fine computers the rather large extra price tag for the "name" and a a few admittedly neat but not necessary features coupled with the pretty lousy customer service compared to Dell or Toshiba its not really worth it in my mind. I can't tell you how much of a fight my roommate has to put up with them sometimes.
 

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dangerousdave_42 said:
honestly while aienware makes fine computers the rather large extra price tag for the "name" and a a few admittedly neat but not necessary features coupled with the pretty lousy customer service compared to Dell or Toshiba its not really worth it in my mind. I can't tell you how much of a fight my roommate has to put up with them sometimes.
Toshiba maybe, but Dell no. They are the computer hell pit. There are demons that quiver just hearing the name "Dell". Those things are pieces of garbage that only survive by extremely low prices for bulk projects like business and government. I had Dells all through high school and they never worked for more than a month. My friends and family had Dells that all died quickly. And their customer service sucks, though that may be more do to the fact I can only speak English.
 

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crimson5pheonix said:
Those things are pieces of garbage that only survive by extremely low prices for bulk projects like business and government.
They were fine, like, six years ago. But they've pretty much slipped ever since.

-- Alex
 

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Alex_P said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Those things are pieces of garbage that only survive by extremely low prices for bulk projects like business and government.
They were fine, like, six years ago. But they've pretty much slipped ever since.

-- Alex
I've never seen a good Dell. Except when a friend of mine stuffed fireworks into his old one and set it off. That was a good Dell.
 

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Darth Mobius said:
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And why do kids who aren't in college seriously think they'll take their gigantic 16" laptop all around campus?
Because they are jealous of my 17" widescreen laptop that I always carry around.
How long does the battery last?