The Trump Who Stole Christmas. Trump tanks Stimulus Talks, No COVID-19 Relief= Millions Lose Access to Food, Shelter and Medicine

[Secondhand Revenant]

I don't support anything, I'm just asking questions without the "benefit" of seeing everything through "orange-man-bad" tinted glasses.

It takes two to negotiate.

No, you're not just asking questions. Very explicitly not, and also it leads to a specific angle, you're not actually inquiring to figure anything out, you only ask questions in such a way that you're arguing with anyone who doesn't support your conservative hero

 

[Houseman]

No, you're not just asking questions.

Okay, since you are not assuming good faith, I'm walking away from these negotiations.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Okay, since you are not assuming good faith, I'm walking away from these negotiations.

You literally aren't though, provably so

But I suppose reality and truth are negotiable to you

 

[Shadyside]

This election is even worse than 2016.

 

[lil devils x]

Wait, can we talk about how he just took people who are struggling financially hostage, as an election promise???

Yea, and notice how he put " hardworking Americans and business owners" Because in his mind those who lost their jobs due to the Pandemic lay offs and who were sick and still trying to heal aren't included there at all because the unemployed will STILL be left out even if he wins. To him, they aren't hardworking even if they were working 3 jobs prior to the pandemic.. they don't exist anymore in his eyes.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Trump thinks we can all just get "small million-dollar loans" from our fathers to tide us over.

 

[lil devils x]

This election is even worse than 2016.

What did they expect letting this scum bag in office in the first place? Notice how the unemployed were not included in his promised stimulus if he wins? He has no intention of including them at all here. He LOVES to make people homeless remember?

Trump in 2007: 'I'm Excited' for Housing Market Crash

Donald Trump counseled Trump University students to take advantage of the housing bubble as an investment opportunity.

www.nbcnews.com

He sees this as a good thing, not bad..
The GOP just want to welfare for the rich and make the poor die tbh.

 

[lil devils x]

Trump thinks we can all just get "small million-dollar loans" from our fathers to tide us over.

And if you can't then you don't matter to him and he hates you because you are " dirty and poor" and he despises the poor.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/articles/2018-02-15/president-trumps-budget-proposal-is-devastating-to-the-poor

Trump Has A New Solution for Poverty: Pretend Poor People Don’t Exist

A proposal to redefine “poverty” would throw potentially millions of low-income people out of government-assistance programs.

www.thenation.com

Trump Hates the Poor

Trump's budget proposal has something to hurt almost everyone, but it's a perfect storm for the poor.

ips-dc.org

Miles Taylor: Trump Wanted To Trade 'Dirty, Poor' Puerto Rico For Greenland

“Could we swap Puerto Rico for Greenland because, in his words, Puerto Rico was dirty and the people were poor?" said Taylor.

crooksandliars.com

 

[lil devils x]

I would think that walking away from the negotiations is a way of fixing it. Instead of wasting time, you can do other things, and then when the other side has a more reasonable offer, they can come crawling back.

Works all the time in car dealerships, or so I've been told.



Neat. Do you have a source on that? I know nothing about why these numbers were chosen.

You usually post all sorts of links and copy-pastes from articles.

Yea we did that months ago for the first stimulus.. It is buried here somewhere but we have slept since then..
That was the reason why the GOP passed it in the first place.

 

[Houseman]

I remember from the first stimulus, I got a check for ~1K.
Nothing about weekly checks. But maybe I haven't been eligible because I'm not suffering any hardship?

Yea we did that months ago for the first stimulus.. It is buried here somewhere but we have slept since then..
That was the reason why the GOP passed it in the first place.

Are you saying that "walking away" was the reason it was passed, or an eviction crisis was the reason it was passed?

 

[Houseman]

@lil devils x
Wait, hold on, isn't there already a moratorium on evictions until December 31st?

The New Eviction Moratorium: What You Need to Know (Published 2020)

A Trump administration order could allow many renters to avoid eviction through Dec. 31. We answer renters’ questions here.

www.nytimes.com

Or is this just a suggestion that states don't have to follow?

 

[lil devils x]

@lil devils x
Wait, hold on, isn't there already a moratorium on evictions until December 31st?

The New Eviction Moratorium: What You Need to Know (Published 2020)

A Trump administration order could allow many renters to avoid eviction through Dec. 31. We answer renters’ questions here.

www.nytimes.com

Or is this just a suggestion that states don't have to follow?

It has no teeth, they are still evicting people because there is no enforcement. We had a thread on that a while back where our local lawyers weighed in. It isn't stopping evictions at all.

 

[lil devils x]

Millennials and Genx pay a higher percentage of their income for housing + they have been denied the ability to have savings. So in states where the state only pays 50% of their income, they can't pay any of their other bills at all, so they have been juggling only paying part of their bills/food/ rent this entire time. The $600 allowed them to barely make their bills so anything less was making it so the evictions would happen anyhow and they still would not be able to get another apartment because 1) no job + 2) they won't rent to people with an eviction on their record so they are forcing them into homelessness. People are supporting families on these unemployment incomes and like around here they are paying $1200+ in rent then they have to pay electric, water, car payments, car insurance, health insurance, trash, sewer.. so even with their unemployment they are not making their other bills and have to juggle them not to have their electric or water shut off. If they lose their current housing they will not be able to even find another place that will rent to them with no job, so they will be homeless.

Millennials will spend 45% of income on rent before age 30

As rent prices continue to rise, a new study shows Millennials are paying about 45% of their total income toward rent, and pay close to $100,000 toward rent before they turn 30. Here’s how that compares to the generations before them, and what it means for the next generation.

www.housingwire.com

COVID-19 and the financial impact on millennials

A UAB professor said as many Americans are dealing with substantial negative financial impacts from the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the hardest hit groups of people may be millennials.

www.wbrc.com

‘Tidal Wave' of Evictions Feared as Extra $600 Unemployment Benefits End

Legal advocates are warning of a potential ‘tidal wave’ of evictions as renters find themselves unable to make ends meet amid COVID-19.

www.nbcdfw.com

Workers Weigh In On The End Of $600 Unemployment Benefit, Eviction Crisis Looms In San Diego County, This Weekend In San Diego Art Events

The extra $600 a week unemployment benefit under the federal CARES Act has helped over two million Californians make ends meet. Now that it's ending, nonprofits and the state look to help fill the gap. We hear from two San Diegans on how the end of the extra benefit will impact their...

www.kpbs.org

As $600 weekly unemployment benefits end, a wave of evictions is expected in Connecticut

With the federal moratorium on evictions and enhanced $600-a-week unemployment benefits both expiring Friday, Connecticut housing advocates are expecting to see a flood of eviction notices. “…

www.courant.com

The controversial $600 unemployment aid debate, explained

That extra aid has become a major sticking point in negotiations over another big aid package.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[Agema]

Millennials and Genx pay a higher percentage of their income for housing + they have been denied the ability to have savings.

Fuck Millennials, it's their problem. If they wanted money, they should have been born earlier.

 

[lil devils x]

I remember from the first stimulus, I got a check for ~1K.
Nothing about weekly checks. But maybe I haven't been eligible because I'm not suffering any hardship?



Are you saying that "walking away" was the reason it was passed, or an eviction crisis was the reason it was passed?

The $600 was for unemployment because states only pay 50% of your previous income which most people can't keep a roof over their head with that due to millennials and gen X paying a higher percentage of their income in housing. It is still based on what baby boomers paid and their ability to save. The same isn't true for gen x and Millennials so they become homeless because 1) no one will rent to you with no job + eviction on your record.

 

[lil devils x]

Fuck Millennials, it's their problem. If they wanted money, they should have been born earlier.

And so many of millennials and gen x don't even have the option to move back in with parents anymore so they just become homeless now.

 

[lil devils x]

@lil devils x
Wait, hold on, isn't there already a moratorium on evictions until December 31st?

The New Eviction Moratorium: What You Need to Know (Published 2020)

A Trump administration order could allow many renters to avoid eviction through Dec. 31. We answer renters’ questions here.

www.nytimes.com

Or is this just a suggestion that states don't have to follow?

"Despite all of this, Houston-area housing court judges are moving forward with evictions.

With 600 eviction cases on Harris County court dockets this week, renters, landlords and judges are continuing to grapple with how to navigate the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention national eviction moratorium that went into effect over two weeks ago."

The Virginia Poverty Law Center told WFXR’s sister station on Thursday that people in the commonwealth are still being evicted.

Houston Evictions Move Forward Amid Flooding, COVID-19 And A Federal Moratorium | Houston Public Media

“Texas treats housing as a commodity. And when you treat housing as a commodity more so than an actual right, a guaranteed right, these are the collateral consequences.”

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

As evictions resume in Texas, unemployed renters have few options

While cities and legal aid agencies are setting up resources for tenants, many judges explained that they won't be able to consider loss of employment in eviction cases.

www.texastribune.org

Neighborhoods at risk for Covid see disproportionately high eviction rates - Local News 8

When Umu Conteh first learned she had tested positive for Covid-19 this summer, the nursing assistant was terrified for her two young daughters. But the virus was only the start of her troubles: Her illness left her out of work for two months, forcing her to cut back on food and clothing...

localnews8.com

Evictions are happening despite CDC order; Here’s what Virginia lawmakers are doing about it

RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — With another month of rent around the corner, Virginia lawmakers are still debating the best way to stop people from losing their homes without overburdening landlords.…

www.wfxrtv.com

30 days to move: Renters are being evicted despite federal ban

A U.S. federal moratorium bans rental evictions during the pandemic, but eviction filings are still accelerating. To be protected, renters need to declare their rights, but many don’t know their rights.

www.csmonitor.com

 

[meiam]

It takes two to negotiate. Casting blame on one side for not agreeing with a proposal seems silly, to me, is all.

You indeed need 2 to negotiate, the person who walked away is getting the blame. Trump is the one who said no more negotiation until election, not Pelosci. Hence Trump is getting the blame. Straightforward.

 

[Houseman]

You indeed need 2 to negotiate, the person who walked away is getting the blame. Trump is the one who said no more negotiation until election, not Pelosci. Hence Trump is getting the blame. Straightforward.

By that logic, Pelosi walked away from 1.6 trillion, didn't she? I'm assuming she's in charge of the other side.

It's like if you want $200 bucks for something and I want it for $20. Do I get to get mad at you for refusing to negotiate? Or is the fault my own for going too low?

 

[Trunkage]

By that logic, Pelosi walked away from 1.6 trillion, didn't she? I'm assuming she's in charge of the other side.

It's like if you want $200 bucks for something and I want it for $20. Do I get to get mad at you for refusing to negotiate? Or is the fault my own for going too low?

I'm pretty sure the 1.6 trillion went to poor people, while the rest that the Republicans wanted went to businesses. So your analogy doesn't work. (I dont think the Dems were asking for 1.6 trillion but I cant remember the number off the top of my head.)

A better analogy would be a pig trough. And only letting the big fat pig eat and making sure the hundred others ones were banned from eating