The truth about swine flu and the vaccine

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Piecewise

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So...ok people are idiots. Chances are that they're well meaning idiots but idiots none the less. Lets get a few things straight right off the bat for the foilhats around here.

1.The vaccine is not going to kill you. Nor will it take over your mind, cause cancer, inflame your brain tissue or turn you into a mindless consumer slave bent on buying as many Centrifugal Bumble-Puppy sets as possible.

2.The big scary list of side effects are not all going to effect you, in fact chances are that none of them will. People, for whatever reason, tend to look at the possible side effects as though they are a list of what WILL happen, not what possibly could in a tiny percentage of people. Basically, look over the list of things that may make you more likely to have side effects (the main one is a allergy to eggs) and chances are you will be fine. The actual percentage of people who experience truly dangerous (and even then usually only temporary) side effects is well below a 1%.

3.If you're scared of needles then get the mist. It's more effective and in no way more dangerous. It's required for many health care workers so that should let you know how well it works. It's true that there is a higher chance of you feeling like you have a cold for a day or so after, but the actual chance of more dangerous side effects is no greater then the shot.

4.Those at risk are actually not just the very young and very old, in fact the old seem to fair better with this sickness then adolescents and 20 somethings. One of the reasons that this flu is getting the frankly stupid amount of media coverage is because it's actually killing off the young and popular rather then just infants and those in the midst of second infancy. As someone within the health care system I can tell you that the fatal cases we see are usually somewhere from elementary school kids to late 20s or even early 30's. Death is caused by sudden and violent onset of pneumonia, sometimes being fatal IN LESS THEN A DAY. Allow me to repeat that. Some of the fatalities wake up with a mild cough and are dead by dinner. And, once again, these are people who are young, healthy and normally very fit.

5.Despite the above point being completely true it's also important to remember that this is not the god damn plague. The WHO's current estimates are that out of over 622482 infected the fatalities number at least 7826. Those of you with calculators will know that this is a little more then 1%. Alot of these numbers are estimates (the number of both cases and fatalities are probably both understated but in the end most likely work out to about the same thing)but these trends have been seen since the first recorded cases. Now, this may not seem like a lot, but think of it this way. Say you go to work or school with roughly 5000 people; statistically, if they all decided to not to get vaccinated, roughly 50 people would die. So, while it's not the end of the world like many news stations seem to think, it is far from nothing.

6.Comparing it on a purely statistical average, the chance of dangerous or long lasting side effects of the vaccine vs the statistical chance of dying due to the disease, we can see that it makes more sense to get the vaccine, especially if you're in the at risk demographic. It's not like not getting one will be a death sentence, but why not get one just to be safe? They're free in several locations and only 10 or 20 bucks if you don't feel like waiting in line.

In the end, use your brain people. Don't wholesale believe anything that the news or bloggers tell you. In general, the news will always blow things out of proportion and the Internet will always be controlled by the uneducated and the conspiracy theorists. Do the research yourself and don't trust anything that doesn't cite credible sources. That is all.
 

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Mazty said:
Swine flu is nothing more than a bad winter flu at a different time of year, and that's from a medical conference a friend attended over summer.
But yeah, people are being ridiculous over the vaccine. Do they really think 'the man' is out to kill them by giving them a lethal vaccine?
Actually it's a little more complex the just a "bad winter flu". As someone who's seen first hand both normal flus and this one I can tell you that the people who die of this one die faster and younger. Its not anything close to the plague but writing it off as just a winter flu is either ignorant or dishonest. A 1% death rate in people of these ages is pretty much unheard of for flu.
 

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SikOseph said:
Waiting in line? With a bunch of other at-risk people? Hmmmm...
Is it any more dangerous then going to school or work with a bunch of other at risk people?
 

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Mazty said:
Swine flu is nothing more than a bad winter flu at a different time of year, and that's from a medical conference a friend attended over summer.
But yeah, people are being ridiculous over the vaccine. Do they really think 'the man' is out to kill them by giving them a lethal vaccine?
Its a conspiracy by Jenner when he discovered a vaccine for small pox :p then Pastur carried it on with further advancement and don't get me started on Florey and Chain :p.
But yes people are completely over reacting, a small point of a percentage are allergic to the componments used in vaccines but as your normally in the doctors or the hospital when you have it, well i suppose its the best allergy to have haha.
edit: oh and its nice to see a thread by someone who hasn't read a silly article that isn't even backed empircally and say :O its going to kill us all, don't have the vaccine grumble grumble grumble
 

Jay Cee

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I've had swine flu, and a very sever case at that.

It's really nothing to worry about and is just such a symbolic example of how susceptible the members of our cretinous species are to the media's influence.
 

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BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS AN EVIL COMMUNIST VACCINE MADE BY CHAIRMAN OBAMA TO MAKE US ALL ACCEPT THE NEW ORDER OF BOLSHEVIK DEMOCRATISM
 

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Piecewise said:
1.The vaccine is not going to kill you. Nor will it take over your mind, cause cancer, inflame your brain tissue or turn you into a mindless consumer slave bent on buying as many Centrifugal Bumble-Puppy sets as possible.
How would you know that it does not cause long-term side effects?
It hasn't been tested on humans before you know.

Piecewise said:
2.The big scary list of side effects are not all going to effect you, in fact chances are that none of them will. People, for whatever reason, tend to look at the possible side effects as though they are a list of what WILL happen, not what possibly could in a tiny percentage of people. Basically, look over the list of things that may make you more likely to have side effects (the main one is a allergy to eggs) and chances are you will be fine. The actual percentage of people who experience truly dangerous (and even then usually only temporary) side effects is well below a 1%.
If this was true, why would the drug companies be granted legal immunity?
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html

Piecewise said:
3.If you're scared of needles then get the mist. It's more effective and in no way more dangerous. It's required for many health care workers so that should let you know how well it works. It's true that there is a higher chance of you feeling like you have a cold for a day or so after, but the actual chance of more dangerous side effects is no greater then the shot.
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news166.htm

Piecewise said:
6.Comparing it on a purely statistical average, the chance of dangerous or long lasting side effects of the vaccine vs the statistical chance of dying due to the disease, we can see that it makes more sense to get the vaccine, especially if you're in the at risk demographic. It's not like not getting one will be a death sentence, but why not get one just to be safe? They're free in several locations and only 10 or 20 bucks if you don't feel like waiting in line.
I did the math, you are more likely to die from crashing in your car on the way to get the flu vaccine, then to die from the flu itself.


And why wasn't this strain of flu included in the normal flu shot?
 

Piecewise

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Its one of those things though, why not get it? Chances are that the swine flu is going to hang around and maybe even mutate again, which some countries have already claimed has happened. Isn't it better to gain at least a partial immunity now rather then wait for the possibility of it actually becoming something like the 1918 flu?
 

The_ModeRazor

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Already got the vaccine, haven't died yet.
Then again, I am immune to everything.
Even Chuck Norris.
 

LeonLethality

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I got the vaccine, I'm fine no side effects so yeah, I think I am safer than before and if not I am healthy and it was free so no downside
 

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Piecewise said:
Mazty said:
Swine flu is nothing more than a bad winter flu at a different time of year, and that's from a medical conference a friend attended over summer.
But yeah, people are being ridiculous over the vaccine. Do they really think 'the man' is out to kill them by giving them a lethal vaccine?
Actually it's a little more complex the just a "bad winter flu". As someone who's seen first hand both normal flus and this one I can tell you that the people who die of this one die faster and younger. Its not anything close to the plague but writing it off as just a winter flu is either ignorant or dishonest. A 1% death rate in people of these ages is pretty much unheard of for flu.
I´m sorry, if my friend who haves leuquemia and was the first prescribed case of swine flu in her hospital while being treated for her leuquemia with quimiotherapy wich in turn makes you much more succeptible to desease and infection survived the swine flu and the leuquemia then I dont see swine flu as worthy of my attention as say "Colera" (wich haves much more death ratio in the world)

even if there is a 1% chance that something bad might happen with that vaccine, I will not take it simply because its not needed, I would rather catch the flu and get my chances at getting better than take a shot that I think is not worthy
 

willsham45

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I have heard of no vaccine, nore a need for it. For that reson why would I need it?

Im fact I have not heard much of the pig flu for a long time now. Get the odd flyer on the bus saying blow your nose and that is about it.
 

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Piecewise said:
Its one of those things though, why not get it? Chances are that the swine flu is going to hang around and maybe even mutate again, which some countries have already claimed has happened. Isn't it better to gain at least a partial immunity now rather then wait for the possibility of it actually becoming something like the 1918 flu?
I don't even know how to go about getting it. Just seems really unnecessary to me, I've never met anyone with normal flu, let alone swine flu. I'll just wash my hands and take my chances, if I do end up getting swine flu, well, I guess I'll be spending a week in bed... bummer.