The truth about swine flu and the vaccine

[Phyroxis]

Yeah, Thimerosol is great for kids. Shoot 'em up!

Are you thinking of Thalidomide?

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

My ex got swine flu, karma is a wonderfull gal.

 

[Piecewise]

How would you know that it does not cause long-term side effects?
It hasn't been tested on humans before you know.

Because the process been used before? Should we delay the release of all drugs for a few decades just to be extra sure?

If this was true, why would the drug companies be granted legal immunity?
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html

Because people will sue them for everything? Do you honestly expect, amid this panic the media is stirring up, that everyone would be calm and rational? I've seen people try to sue vaccine companies for everything from mercury poisoning to cancer. Its just to prevent the companies and courts from being bogged down beneath the weight of a few thousand spurious lawsuits. Its nothing different then the papers you sign before surgery that pretty much make surgeons untouchable if something goes wrong.

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news166.htm

You may want to find a credible source before posting such things. Posting that source is like using an extreme vegan site as a credible source against farming.

I did the math, you are more likely to die from crashing in your car on the way to get the flu vaccine, then to die from the flu itself.

Really? A 1% chance of dying in a car crash every time you go somewhere? I'd sure like to know where you got that info.

 

[Pendragon9]

I'm sure the vaccine is perfectly healthy, thing is, I just don't really care about swine flu.

Same here.

Also, if more than a hundred people die from an illness, it's dangerous. And I'm not risking a vaccine that has a side effect of paralyzation. I don't care if it's 1%. That 1% could be me!

 

[Piecewise]

Swine flu is nothing more than a bad winter flu at a different time of year, and that's from a medical conference a friend attended over summer.
But yeah, people are being ridiculous over the vaccine. Do they really think 'the man' is out to kill them by giving them a lethal vaccine?

Actually it's a little more complex the just a "bad winter flu". As someone who's seen first hand both normal flus and this one I can tell you that the people who die of this one die faster and younger. Its not anything close to the plague but writing it off as just a winter flu is either ignorant or dishonest. A 1% death rate in people of these ages is pretty much unheard of for flu.

I´m sorry, if my friend who haves leuquemia and was the first prescribed case of swine flu in her hospital while being treated for her leuquemia with quimiotherapy wich in turn makes you much more succeptible to desease and infection survived the swine flu and the leuquemia then I dont see swine flu as worthy of my attention as say "Colera" (wich haves much more death ratio in the world)

even if there is a 1% chance that something bad might happen with that vaccine, I will not take it simply because its not needed, I would rather catch the flu and get my chances at getting better than take a shot that I think is not worthy

I'm sorry but the fact that you spelled Chemotherapy and Leukemia as "leuquemia" and "quimiotherapy" (spanish, I know) makes me not want to take you seriously

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

Really? A 1% chance of dying in a car crash every time you go somewhere? I'd sure like to know where you got that info.

This is assuming that everyone has swine flu right? Just like that thing you were on about in the OP, 50 people out of a 5000 person workplace/school would die, that's under the pretense of everyone there having swine flu, right? That's just not realistic though is it? I've never met anyone with regular flu, let alone swine flu, so the chance of everyone at my college getting it, I'd say that's pretty slim, ay?

 

[Piecewise]

I'm sure the vaccine is perfectly healthy, thing is, I just don't really care about swine flu.

Same here.

Also, if more than a hundred people die from an illness, it's dangerous. And I'm not risking a vaccine that has a side effect of paralyzation. I don't care if it's 1%. That 1% could be me!

Less then one percent, in fact probably less then 1% of 1%. Exactly how is a fractional percentage chance of bad side effects more scary then a 1% chance of death?

 

[Piecewise]

Really? A 1% chance of dying in a car crash every time you go somewhere? I'd sure like to know where you got that info.

This is assuming that everyone has swine flu right? Just like that thing you were on about in the OP, 50 people out of a 5000 person workplace/school would die, that's under the pretense of everyone there having swine flu, right? That's just not realistic though is it? I've never met anyone with regular flu, let alone swine flu, so the chance of everyone at my college getting it, I'd say that's pretty slim, ay?

Depends. Its hard to say how spread it is in your area. I know that in the hospitals I work some of them have almost no cases while others have dozens. For me, the reality of seeing an athletic 23 year old man suffocate on his own fluids is enough to make me want to get the vaccine. A better question is, why not?

 

[ryai458]

I like how at the end s/he is saying don't believe everything the media is saying the blow it out of proportion and don't believe people on the interent because they are miss informed, this is coming from someone on the interent, I find it ironic.

 

[Piecewise]

Swine flu is nothing more than a bad winter flu at a different time of year, and that's from a medical conference a friend attended over summer.
But yeah, people are being ridiculous over the vaccine. Do they really think 'the man' is out to kill them by giving them a lethal vaccine?

Actually it's a little more complex the just a "bad winter flu". As someone who's seen first hand both normal flus and this one I can tell you that the people who die of this one die faster and younger. Its not anything close to the plague but writing it off as just a winter flu is either ignorant or dishonest. A 1% death rate in people of these ages is pretty much unheard of for flu.

I'm pretty sure the world experts know a little more than you, plus they had the figures to prove it.

I'm pulling my data from the WHO website, so I don't know who is more credible then that. Do the experts have a name? If I can track them down and actually look at what they say then thats another story but right now all I have is their word via your friend's word via your word.

 

[WiwuX]

1.How would you know that it does not cause long-term side effects?
It hasn't been tested on humans before you know.

2.If this was true, why would the drug companies be granted legal immunity?
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html


3.http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news166.htm


4.I did the math, you are more likely to die from crashing in your car on the way to get the flu vaccine, then to die from the flu itself.

1.2. Fear mongering, stop it.

3. That someone has chosen to sue someone over something proves nothing.

4. http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
So if you drive the average amount for 50 years (reasonable assumption), your chances of dying in a car are roughly 1 in 100.

I don't know how you're counting.

 

[Piecewise]

I like how at the end s/he is saying don't believe everything the media is saying the blow it out of proportion and don't believe people on the interent because they are miss informed, this is coming from someone on the interent, I find it ironic.

It is rather ironic isn't it? But mine I at least try to go by what the WHO and other reputable health organizations say. Feel free to look up the info yourself though, in fact I recommend you to. Just make sure you're not falling prey to anyone's stories without proof.

 

[Worgen]

the main worry with swine flu is that it will evolve into something much more deadly like the bird flu, which is really fucken deadly but fortinatly pretty contained.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

I'm sure the vaccine is perfectly healthy, thing is, I just don't really care about swine flu.

Same here.

Also, if more than a hundred people die from an illness, it's dangerous. And I'm not risking a vaccine that has a side effect of paralyzation. I don't care if it's 1%. That 1% could be me!

Less then one percent, in fact probably less then 1% of 1%. Exactly how is a fractional percentage chance of bad side effects more scary then a 1% chance of death?

Going by your numbers 600,000 people in the UK are going to die of swine flu. Now, I'm sure you're well read, but this BBC article places the prediction at closer to 19,000, that's closer to 0.003% than 1%.

Predictions that 65,000 people could die from swine flu in the UK this winter are unlikely to be realised, latest figures suggest.

Government scientific advisers have revised the figure to produce a worst-case scenario of 19,000 deaths.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8236768.stm

 

[MrDarkling]

Had it, got over it, Fine.
There nothing much to worry about when it comes to swine flue except for younguns and old folk.

 

[Amnestic]

My immune system is a beast. It could take on Swine Flu, Nerd Flu, Dog Flu and Monkey Flu all at once with one white blood cell tied behind its back.

Would it be prudent of me to get the vaccine? Probably. Am I going to? Not unless someone knocks on my door and offers it to me.

 

[Dawntheif]

I had swine flu, was rather annoying, although am happy to say i am infact not dead. Although i did also infect half my collage class >.>

 

[HentMas]

Swine flu is nothing more than a bad winter flu at a different time of year, and that's from a medical conference a friend attended over summer.
But yeah, people are being ridiculous over the vaccine. Do they really think 'the man' is out to kill them by giving them a lethal vaccine?

Actually it's a little more complex the just a "bad winter flu". As someone who's seen first hand both normal flus and this one I can tell you that the people who die of this one die faster and younger. Its not anything close to the plague but writing it off as just a winter flu is either ignorant or dishonest. A 1% death rate in people of these ages is pretty much unheard of for flu.

I´m sorry, if my friend who haves leuquemia and was the first prescribed case of swine flu in her hospital while being treated for her leuquemia with quimiotherapy wich in turn makes you much more succeptible to desease and infection survived the swine flu and the leuquemia then I dont see swine flu as worthy of my attention as say "Colera" (wich haves much more death ratio in the world)

even if there is a 1% chance that something bad might happen with that vaccine, I will not take it simply because its not needed, I would rather catch the flu and get my chances at getting better than take a shot that I think is not worthy

I'm sorry but the fact that you spelled Chemotherapy and Leukemia as "leuquemia" and "quimiotherapy" (spanish, I know) makes me not want to take you seriously

ok then, disregard a point because I tryed and failed to translate two words I have never ever used under any context in english, its ok, I don´t really mind