The truth about swine flu and the vaccine

[The Hairminator]

This thread is relevant to my interests.
Good job, OP.

 

[kannibus]

Yeah I got the shot myself. But then free drugs? Who the hell am I to refuse?

 

[MiodekPL]

I've beed through it already. So I'm naturally vaccinated!

 

[TheSeventhLoneWolf]

Havn't more people died from normal flu to swine flu?

 

[Rathy]

I really don't think getting the vaccine is worth it. I don't bother with any flu vaccine though. No issue with the process, no paranoia, its just people and their paranoia over how the media originally projected the Swine flu as the death strain. In reality, it kills about the same crowds as the flu though, and is basically a slightly more virulent strain that is just a bit more resistant to the outside environment, yielding a longer flu season and a larger number of cases. I have had 2 friends that have had H1N1, and they basically had the run of the mill flu in their cases.

Basically, its that normal at risk crowd that does need the vaccines. If you aren't in that crowd, treating it like the normal flu isn't that bad. And if the virus does mutate, you have some protection, but not from what is likely to be a more virulent strain, as the vaccines will have no way to protect against it until we produce a new variation of the vaccine. Not adding much(still some) benefit to the current one now.

 

[coldshadow]

swine flu turned to utter choas because of the media. making 3 types of views.
view 1: omg the plague.
view 2: bah, its media hype PAY NO ATTENTION TO IT.
and view 3: it is a potential pandemic and we have to be cautious.(more informed)

unfortunately most people belong to group 1 or 2 and dont react accordingly.

also conspiracy theories do not help.

 

[coldshadow]

My immune system is a beast. It could take on Swine Flu, Nerd Flu, Dog Flu and Monkey Flu all at once with one white blood cell tied behind its back.

Would it be prudent of me to get the vaccine? Probably. Am I going to? Not unless someone knocks on my door and offers it to me.

If someone knocks on your door and offers it, are you sure you want to take it from that guy?

 

[Jark212]

All my co-workers from work think theirs this whole conspiracy around the Swine Flu and the Vaccine... I'm personally worried about The Ukraine outbreak...

 

[Captain Blackout]

So...ok people are idiots. Chances are that they're well meaning idiots but idiots none the less.

5.Despite the above point being completely true it's also important to remember that this is not the god damn plague. The WHO's current estimates are that out of over 622482 infected the fatalities number at least 7826. Those of you with calculators will know that this is a little more then 1%. Alot of these numbers are estimates (the number of both cases and fatalities are probably both understated but in the end most likely work out to about the same thing)but these trends have been seen since the first recorded cases. Now, this may not seem like a lot, but think of it this way. Say you go to work or school with roughly 5000 people; statistically, if they all decided to not to get vaccinated, roughly 50 people would die. So, while it's not the end of the world like many news stations seem to think, it is far from nothing.

Not only are people idiots, but many of them are intentionally so. That's right, many people you will run across are idiots ON PURPOSE. I would love to discuss the phenomenon but we have a particular issue here. You armed the intentional idiots with the statement I high-lighted. One of the things I learned in computer science, logic, and foundational maths was this: It is often better to look for upper or lower limits rather than precise numbers. Why? Because upper and lower limits are often easy to nail down without error, and because precise numbers can be exceptionally hard to get at, and the intentional idiots will use that fact against you in their fear-mongering. So, a better statement would be:

Say you go to work or school with roughly 5000 people; statistically, if they all decided to not get vaccinated, roughly up to 50 could die, and 1% of those who get the flu will die.

There are other , probably better ways of phrasing what I re-wrote for you, but you seem intelligent and I strongly suspect you get the concept.

 

[Sparrow]

Yeah-- no. If I get Swine Flu, I'm not going to die. I have no underlying conditions, and I'm healthier than a damn horse.

Ahem, anyway. I'd quite like to know your sources. Also note that people do not take kindly to the "I'm right, you're wrong and no I won't tell you why" routine.

 

[jboking]

I'm sorry but the fact that you spelled Chemotherapy and Leukemia as "leuquemia" and "quimiotherapy" (spanish, I know) makes me not want to take you seriously

Death is caused by sudden and violent onset of pneumonia, sometimes being fatal IN LESS THEN A DAY.

I'm sorry, but the fact that you used "Then" when you should have used "Than" makes me not want to take you seriously.

Seriously though, I haven't been vaccinated because they are a little scarce in my area and there are those would could use it more than I could(the pregnant, nurses, docotors, teachers)

(There is also the small situation that my girlfriend caught the swine flu and apparently while she was still carrying it but not facing the symptoms we met up and my memory of that day involved quite a bit of kissing. I didn't catch the swine flu. A few months later two people in my house also caught the swine flu and I had to take care of both of them. I cleaned out sick buckets, got them food, and held their hands when they felt in pain. Never caught the swine flu. There is something wrong here, or maybe it's that the chance of catching it combined with the chance of dieing from it, for me at least, is astronomically low.)

 

[se7ensenses]

http://www.infowars.com/images/grants.jpg
http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-vaccines-contain-live-h1n1-virus/
http://www.infowars.com/canadian-doctor-h1n1-vaccination-a-eugenics-weapon-for-mass-extermination/

...harmless indeed.

 

[Raregolddragon]

Sorry you are not going to trick me.

 

[Seldon2639]

I've had swine flu, and a very sever case at that.

It's really nothing to worry about and is just such a symbolic example of how susceptible the members of our cretinous species are to the media's influence.

Um... Clearly you didn't have a very severe case of it, then. It being nothing to worry about is dispositive of someone having a severe case, given that a "severe" case consists of pneumonia, respiratory distress, and often death.

the main worry with swine flu is that it will evolve into something much more deadly like the bird flu, which is really fucken deadly but fortinatly pretty contained.

Interestingly, a study from the NIH has indicated that the more people get vaccinated, the slower the flu is to mutate

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/oct2009/niaid-29.htm

It was an international conference held in the US over summer, that's all I know. Choose to believe it or not, not my concern, but with organisations like the WHO and the IPCC, when you take a closer look and listen to what they say, it's a different story. Why? Funding. Doom and gloom makes more money.

That's the Mazty I know and... Um... Yeah.

So, a conference which comes out with figures which support your conclusion (the data from which you don't have available) is automatically valid and trustworthy. Data coming from the WHO and NIH which contradict your conclusions are due to funding. The thing is, WHO funding isn't done on a per-disaster basis, nor is the NIH. Both basically get a bloc grant at the beginning of the fiscal year.

http://www.infowars.com/images/grants.jpg
http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-vaccines-contain-live-h1n1-virus/
http://www.infowars.com/canadian-doctor-h1n1-vaccination-a-eugenics-weapon-for-mass-extermination/

...harmless indeed.

Someone, dear god, tell me this site is satire. I mean, please.

Say you go to work or school with roughly 5000 people; statistically, if they all decided to not get vaccinated, roughly up to 50 could die, and 1% of those who get the flu will die.

There are other , probably better ways of phrasing what I re-wrote for you, but you seem intelligent and I strongly suspect you get the concept.

Except your statement really isn't accurate, statistically speaking. The 1% estimate is an average (likely a mean, but I'm not certain), with the actual upper and lower bounds being above and below respectively. Thus, while the average may be 50 or 1%, the distribution of probable outcomes would push the maximum up and the minimum down.

If the minimum is 25 (or .5%) and the maximum is 75 (or 1.5%), the "rough estimate" would be 50 (or 1%). To misrepresent the average estimate as being a maximum value creates bad logic.

There's a different response between "up to fifty would die" and "fifty is the likely number to die, but up to seventy-five would"

 

[Seldon2639]

I really don't think getting the vaccine is worth it. I don't bother with any flu vaccine though. No issue with the process, no paranoia, its just people and their paranoia over how the media originally projected the Swine flu as the death strain. In reality, it kills about the same crowds as the flu though, and is basically a slightly more virulent strain that is just a bit more resistant to the outside environment, yielding a longer flu season and a larger number of cases. I have had 2 friends that have had H1N1, and they basically had the run of the mill flu in their cases.

Basically, its that normal at risk crowd that does need the vaccines. If you aren't in that crowd, treating it like the normal flu isn't that bad. And if the virus does mutate, you have some protection, but not from what is likely to be a more virulent strain, as the vaccines will have no way to protect against it until we produce a new variation of the vaccine. Not adding much(still some) benefit to the current one now.

Um... You missed something about the swine flu. It's not the "normal at risk crowd" that's at a higher risk from swine flu, it's groups which are normally safe. The younger groups are more at risk from swine flu than older groups. Pregnant women are still at risk, so are those with compromised immune systems, but the fear from H1N1 is that people in our age group are at an unusually (and significantly) higher risk.

Anecdotes aren't real evidence, because for every "my buddy got it, and he bounced back, no sweat" story, there's a "my friend, a healthy twenty-five-year-old, got it and died of pneumonia". Stick to statistics and evidence, would you kindly?

 

[Captain Blackout]

Say you go to work or school with roughly 5000 people; statistically, if they all decided to not get vaccinated, roughly up to 50 could die, and 1% of those who get the flu will die.

There are other , probably better ways of phrasing what I re-wrote for you, but you seem intelligent and I strongly suspect you get the concept.

Except your statement really isn't accurate, statistically speaking. The 1% estimate is an average (likely a mean, but I'm not certain), with the actual upper and lower bounds being above and below respectively. Thus, while the average may be 50 or 1%, the distribution of probable outcomes would push the maximum up and the minimum down.

If the minimum is 25 (or .5%) and the maximum is 75 (or 1.5%), the "rough estimate" would be 50 (or 1%). To misrepresent the average estimate as being a maximum value creates bad logic.

There's a different response between "up to fifty would die" and "fifty is the likely number to die, but up to seventy-five would"

You're absolutely right, and in the process I think you completely missed my point. Re-read the part in bold, please.

 

[Rathy]

Um... You missed something about the swine flu. It's not the "normal at risk crowd" that's at a higher risk from swine flu, it's groups which are normally safe. The younger groups are more at risk from swine flu than older groups. Pregnant women are still at risk, so are those with compromised immune systems, but the fear from H1N1 is that people in our age group are at an unusually (and significantly) higher risk.

Anecdotes aren't real evidence, because for every "my buddy got it, and he bounced back, no sweat" story, there's a "my friend, a healthy twenty-five-year-old, got it and died of pneumonia". Stick to statistics and evidence, would you kindly?

By at risk crowd, I mean those who deal with the complications and who it is most dangerous for. Possibly not the best wording on my part. The Swine flu has a relatively low fatality rate in its most prevalent crowd, which is only so prevalent there for being the highest contact crowd. On the other hand, its still most dangerous in the normal crowd, that being pregnant women, the elderly and the young, compared to what it does to the younger adult crowd.

 

[Pimppeter2]

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