The Unsolved Mysteries Of 40K: A Good Old Discussion

[Rajin Cajun]

What is the difference between Gork and Mork?

One of them is cunningly brutal while the other is brutally cunning. i.e.:

Mork hits you when you aren't looking and Gork hits you harder when you are.

...or was it the other way round?

Or is it both?

 

[Rajin Cajun]

The Lastest fluff puts the Imperium in the time of ending as the Golden Throne is malfuncitoning and unless they find an STC or some similary powerfull artifact from the Dark Age of Tech they will be destroyed.

Woah woah woah, time of ending? Since when and what has the golden throne been malfunctioning? I've completely missed that happening...

It is rather recent addition to the fluff after they retconned the Star Child theory.

Interesting... and when and in what did they do this?

Rather recently I can't remember exactly I will have to do some digging. It had to do with some internal conflict in GW about some not liking the idea of it.

 

[[Gavo]]

Question. Even with mechanical implants, how the hell can a single Space Marine be thousands of years old and keep their hair?

 

[iain62a]

]Question. Even with mechanical implants, how the hell can a single Space Marine be thousands of years old and keep their hair?

"In the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, there is only affordable hair replacement treatment"

 

[pigeonreaper]

I've got a mystery- what's the deal with Roboute Guilleman? Are his wounds really healing? If so, how? In fact, what's happened with all the other missing Primarchs?

 

[Rajin Cajun]

I've got a mystery- what's the deal with Roboute Guilleman? Are his wounds really healing? If so, how? In fact, what's happened with all the other missing Primarchs?

All the loyalists primarchs are either dead or missing. Guilleman is permanently in stasis as far as I know and would die if he wasn't so no he is not really healing though I have heard some claims he is. As to the Traitor Primarchs or as I call them the Real Loyalists are pretty much all Daemon Lords except for Horus who at the last second got killed by the Emperor.

 

[johnman]

Ahh its been so long since i wallowed in the vast waters of the 40k universe.
I can see the tau failing, they are very vunerable to the tryanids, but then again they can easily resist chaos as they have very few pychers.
The Eldar will fail too, they have always been dying and they are among my least favourite races, they worship the same gods as chaos, but with different hats on and that makes them the good guys. And supposing they have amazing acient tech at their hands, how can the imperial guard easuly outgun them?

And who exactly is abbadon the Dispioler? I never really followed Chaos, blood angles were much more interesting.

 

[blackcherry]

One of the captured fallen, during torture, mentioned that he carries the remains of the dark angels primarchs sword, and that should he ever reforge it, something along the lines of the 'redemption of the DA' will occur, whatever that is. It was also mentioned that he knows some dark secret of the DA other than the civil war that players know about. This has led people to speculate that perhaps the part of the chapter that rebelled were actually loyal to the Imperium, whilst the current DA chapter, at least in its command, are actually chaos aligned and have been since the HH.

Hope it helped in some way.

I knew the part with the lions blade. But the part about the Dark Angels leader may be allied to chaos is interessting. I should read the codex one day. I only have the Blood Angels and Core Rulebook and that was from 3th edition.

But thanks for the info!

Its ok. To find half this info, you have to consult pretty much anything but imperial codecies. The chaos codex from 3rd edition has more info than anything from the imperial perspective. Which thinking from a metagame point of view, with the codex being on what is commonly known about the DA (the whole civil war is unknown to pretty much everyone bar the dark angels and some high ranking inquisitors in the Imperium), makes sense.

 

[Pandalisk]

the Necrons arent really even in control of their actions (isnt that they were double crossed on a deal with a god, now they do what he says?)

They were promised immortality and the ability to get rid of The Old Ones because they were jealous of them, they got what the wanted but it wasnt as they had hoped, when they were turned into the necrons they found themsleves bound to the will of the c'tan


The Tau are probably the less evilest race in the galaxy,Imperials are more evil due to their fanaticism and brutality plus their xenophobia...

Tau dont silently do away with other races that wouldn't be seen as tactically advantageous..
they are assimulated into the tau workforce, gaurdsmen and the like are the main race this happens too, captured and put into reeducation camps untill they renounce the emperor and surve the greater good instead

most people of the imperium are elimanated because of their resistance or because they wont accept the tau leadership, and some are experimented on in concetration camps (like hitler's nazi germany) so if anything there not evil there just a communistic society.. kinda like china

and vespid are willing combatants there wouldn't be any need for brainwashing... and the kroot are mostly under tau leadership but some are just mercaneries for hire

And whats the deal with farsight anyhow?
and how does he have Necron Tech?

 

[blackcherry]

Ahh its been so long since i wallowed in the vast waters of the 40k universe.
I can see the tau failing, they are very vunerable to the tryanids, but then again they can easily resist chaos as they have very few pychers.
The Eldar will fail too, they have always been dying and they are among my least favourite races, they worship the same gods as chaos, but with different hats on and that makes them the good guys. And supposing they have amazing acient tech at their hands, how can the imperial guard easuly outgun them?

And who exactly is abbadon the Dispioler? I never really followed Chaos, blood angles were much more interesting.

Tau actually have been added to that they have so little warp presence (the kroot are more psychic than the whole tau race!) that chaos has little to no interest in them. Abaddon the Despoiler is just the chaos forces' big bad guy, who has been elevated to the mustache twirling status by some bad writing.

GW whip him out whenever they have a big campaign and are always going on about how much of a threat he is to the 40K universe, but like everything in the 40K verse, the story moves at such a snails pace that he rarely achieves anything.

Hope that answered some questions for you.

 

[blackcherry]

The Lastest fluff puts the Imperium in the time of ending as the Golden Throne is malfuncitoning and unless they find an STC or some similary powerfull artifact from the Dark Age of Tech they will be destroyed.

Woah woah woah, time of ending? Since when and what has the golden throne been malfunctioning? I've completely missed that happening...

It is rather recent addition to the fluff after they retconned the Star Child theory.

Interesting... and when and in what did they do this?

Rather recently I can't remember exactly I will have to do some digging. It had to do with some internal conflict in GW about some not liking the idea of it.

They have just introduced this in the current edition of 40K (5th?), which has been out for a year of so. Its in the rulebook, but has yet to be actually picked up upon by anything else in the background. I think it was to try and answer a lot of 40K fans complaining about how the 40K fluff never advances and is merely stagnant, with a lot of questions still remaining unanswered(I think that many fans never realised that this was the point)

EDIT: sorry, double post

 

[pigeonreaper]

I've got a mystery- what's the deal with Roboute Guilleman? Are his wounds really healing? If so, how? In fact, what's happened with all the other missing Primarchs?

All the loyalists primarchs are either dead or missing. Guilleman is permanently in stasis as far as I know and would die if he wasn't so no he is not really healing though I have heard some claims he is. As to the Traitor Primarchs or as I call them the Real Loyalists are pretty much all Daemon Lords except for Horus who at the last second got killed by the Emperor.

I realise they're all missing, dead or turned to Chaos, but what I meant to ask was what happens if one or more of the missing Primarchs returns?

 

[johnman]

Hope that answered some questions for you.

Thanks, i always had some werid idea that Abadon use to be some Primarch, or Horuses ***** or somthing. As i said before, i never really explored chaos's story line other than the betrayals

 

[opiwankenobi]

And who exactly is abbadon the Dispioler? I never really followed Chaos, blood angles were much more interesting.

Abbadon was part of the Mournival, the advisory council of four captains of the Luna Wolves, second in command only to horus himself. He is the only one of the four who survived the heresy.

Thanks, i always had some werid idea that Abadon use to be some Primarch, or Horuses ***** or somthing.

In short that was true during the heresy.

 

[Neosage]

Druchii are sadistic, they use torture and murder for art and pleasure. Skaven are just scheming little buggers all though I will admit some of them most definatley are evil (infact most races can have good guys and bad guys in.) Also on which page does it say Orcs are from spores?

That doesn't automatically make them evil, for the most part druichi society is pretty relaxed.
Skaven society on the other hand, is a brutal caste system that turns out a far higher body count then every other evil race combined.

I suppose it is because Skaven do tend to fight ALOT more with there own kind, but in terms of actual cruelty I would say Druchii plus the fact they feel all races are inferior to them, they started alot of the bloodiest wars in warhammer history and they wear other people's skin and sit on chairs of paralysed slaves and stuff.

 

[opiwankenobi]

And whats the deal with farsight anyhow?
and how does he have Necron Tech?

There is an interestig article on Farsight in the Lexicanum, although it does not really anser many questions. If you 're interested: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Farsight

 

[johnman]

And who exactly is abbadon the Dispioler? I never really followed Chaos, blood angles were much more interesting.

Abbadon was part of the Mournival, the advisory council of four captains of the Luna Wolves, second in command only to horus himself. He is the only one of the four who survived the heresy.

Thanks, i always had some werid idea that Abadon use to be some Primarch, or Horuses ***** or somthing.

In short that was true during the heresy.

Dam know i want to get my figures out of the attic now. But i dont dare mainly because will end up wasting more money and drege up more of my past that i would rather remain hidden.

 

[Kikosemmek]

Are the Tyranids the last great Bio-Weapon against the Necrons?

Funny you should say that. When I first imagined a hive fleet landing on a Necron tomb world to 'refuel' I began to see the potential for what could be the most vicious warfare in WH40K. On second thought, though, why would they fight?

The Necrons exist to end all life which harbors souls, or 'life-force.' Their agenda is to go from one place to another and quite simply murder everything. The Tyranids are interested in assimilating biomass to their swarm, and they travel to strengthen, eat, drink, and evolve themselves for the glory (perhaps vanity) of the Hive Mind.

What interest would it serve either the Necrons or the Tyranids to fight? The Tyranids are pretty much soulless beasts, bred and ruled by instinct and obedience to the Hive Mind, while the Necrons are metallic things lacking any organic bodies (with the exception of Pariahs, but those are a mere splinter in the Necron machine). I would pose that if they meet, both of these races would ignore each other, or perhaps strike up a partnership: they both roam around and kill everything- the Tyranids can eat and drink the bodies of the slain while the C'tan get to feed on the souls of all that die.

Should something like this happen, the whole of W40K universe is well and truly fucked.

 

[dekkarax]

I've got a mystery- what's the deal with Roboute Guilleman? Are his wounds really healing? If so, how? In fact, what's happened with all the other missing Primarchs?

All the loyalists primarchs are either dead or missing. Guilleman is permanently in stasis as far as I know and would die if he wasn't so no he is not really healing though I have heard some claims he is. As to the Traitor Primarchs or as I call them the Real Loyalists are pretty much all Daemon Lords except for Horus who at the last second got killed by the Emperor.

I realise they're all missing, dead or turned to Chaos, but what I meant to ask was what happens if one or more of the missing Primarchs returns?

Well, Leman Russ and Vulkan are supposed to return for the last battle with Chaos.