The Unsolved Mysteries Of 40K: A Good Old Discussion

[Rusty Bucket]

On the point of the Golden Throne starting to break down, there is the theory that the Emperor would re-incarnate anyways, but would still take time for him to grow up, which would leave the human parts of the webway unprotected, im thinking there might be a Horus Cloning coming up soon, and that he will be the Horus who was alive in the last few seconds of his life when he relised his mistake.

I think One of the unknown Primarchs will in some way be linked to the Blood Ravens, as they have no clue to their heritage.

I thought it was the Blood Angels that had the unknown heritage problem? Or am i just getting very confused here?

 

[pigeonreaper]

Could anyone tell me whats going on with Eldar?

I haven't had anything to do with Warhammer of any kind for a good few years, and the Eldar were always my favorites.

They haven't changed much, they're still trying to create a new god to fight slaanesh, they had a hand in the creation of the tau and eldrad sacrificed himself, might still be alive but trapped in the warp though.

I haven't heard about them helping out the Tau. They go together well. Well, at least to me, The Eldar and the Tau are the only two 'good' races. The Dark Eldar on the other hand... man, they screwed things up for the Galaxy.

"Who created this demon-god of pleasure? Come on, confess."
(Dark Eldar raise their arm sheeplishly)
"Seriously? I mean, really? It tore a hole in the universe. You just wiped out a good two thirds of your entire race. What were you thinking?"
"We're sorry. Won't happen again."

I'm not really sure any of the races are good at all, as someone else said, that's what makes the 40k universe so spectacularly bleak. Eldar will glady sacrifice trillions of human lives to save a handful of their own, and though the Greater Good sounds noble enough, the things the Tau do to those who refuse it are most certainly not.

 

[sqwalnoc]

what is the Emperor's name? I reckon it's Dave

 

[Fudj]

On the point of the Golden Throne starting to break down, there is the theory that the Emperor would re-incarnate anyways, but would still take time for him to grow up, which would leave the human parts of the webway unprotected, im thinking there might be a Horus Cloning coming up soon, and that he will be the Horus who was alive in the last few seconds of his life when he relised his mistake.

I think One of the unknown Primarchs will in some way be linked to the Blood Ravens, as they have no clue to their heritage.

I thought it was the Blood Angels that had the unknown heritage problem? Or am i just getting very confused here?

No that Was Sanguinius he was killed by Horus Just before the the end of the Horus Heresy

 

[Chris^^]

just to be incredibly pedantic, Chaos itself does not live in the Eye of Terror, the majority of the chaos marines do, but Chaos itself exists everywhere.
The Eye of Terror is simply one manifestation of its immense power and a tear in the fabric of reality that facilitates easy acces for daemonic forces.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

On the point of the Golden Throne starting to break down, there is the theory that the Emperor would re-incarnate anyways, but would still take time for him to grow up, which would leave the human parts of the webway unprotected, im thinking there might be a Horus Cloning coming up soon, and that he will be the Horus who was alive in the last few seconds of his life when he relised his mistake.

I think One of the unknown Primarchs will in some way be linked to the Blood Ravens, as they have no clue to their heritage.

I thought it was the Blood Angels that had the unknown heritage problem? Or am i just getting very confused here?

No that Was Sanguinius he was killed by Horus Just before the the end of the Horus Heresy

Ahhh yes, i remember now. Blood Angels are the cool ones, the ones that go all insane in the middle of fights.

 

[Fudj]

Yeah i think its called the Black Rage, they can only be controlled by a Chaplin then, although there is at least one Angel that can control it.

 

[GloatingSwine]

I haven't heard about them helping out the Tau. They go together well. Well, at least to me, The Eldar and the Tau are the only two 'good' races. The Dark Eldar on the other hand... man, they screwed things up for the Galaxy.

"Who created this demon-god of pleasure? Come on, confess."
(Dark Eldar raise their arm sheeplishly)
"Seriously? I mean, really? It tore a hole in the universe. You just wiped out a good two thirds of your entire race. What were you thinking?"
"We're sorry. Won't happen again."

Ah, see, you have the Eldar all wrong there.

The Dark Eldar are the ones that have carried on acting like all the Eldar used to, because once they'd created the demon-god of pleasure, they had to keep going in order to feed it, so it's attention didn't turn to them.

The rest of the Eldar are the ones that decided to go all Vulcan to try and hide from it and deny it their juicy juicy warp souls.

 

[GloatingSwine]

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Ahhh yes, i remember now. Blood Angels are the cool ones, the ones that go all insane in the middle of fights.

Pfft. Black Templars run away towards the enemy. Literally. Fail a break test and they have to charge.

 

[Draco Ardel]

Whatever happened to the fifth Chaos god Malaal? If I remember, he hated the other Chaos gods.

I also recall there was a race that used to be in the universe that reproduced by raping women or something.

also

Squats

That is all

 

[Rusty Bucket]

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Ahhh yes, i remember now. Blood Angels are the cool ones, the ones that go all insane in the middle of fights.

Pfft. Black Templars run away towards the enemy. Literally. Fail a break test and they have to charge.

Got to love Black Templars. Mind you, they have like, 20,000 members, so they can afford to go a bit stupid every now and then. Still can't beat the Iron Hnads though; "The Machine is strong. We must purge the weak, hated flesh and replace it with the blessed purity of metal. Only through permanence can we truly triumph, only through the Machine can we find victory. Punish the flesh. Iron in mind and body. Hail the Machine!" Why do most of the Space Marine chapters seem completely insane?

 

[pigeonreaper]

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Ahhh yes, i remember now. Blood Angels are the cool ones, the ones that go all insane in the middle of fights.

Pfft. Black Templars run away towards the enemy. Literally. Fail a break test and they have to charge.

That's ridiculous, insane, and [i/] awesome.[/i]

 

[Sgt Doom]

This thread makes my head hurt, in a good way
IT IS A GOOD PAIN

A question (I have not finished Dawn of War 2 so forgive me if they answered this at the end of it): What's up with the Blood Ravens' history? What's their darkest secrets? Who is their Primarch?

As far as I know, that's just a chapter the game's devs pulled out of their arse, so all the info available on them is in the games.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

"Who created this demon-god of pleasure? Come on, confess."
(Dark Eldar raise their arm sheeplishly)
"Seriously? I mean, really? It tore a hole in the universe. You just wiped out a good two thirds of your entire race. What were you thinking?"
"We're sorry. Won't happen again."

LOL!
I always thought the Chaos Space Marines and the Dark Eldar were controleld by the same evil force.

 

[glycerene clown]

mmmmmm.... lore...

Not really a mystery, but just to put it out there cos it's my fave snip of obscure lore and i'm surprised it hasn't come up yet:

Inquisitor rulebook... on about the 3rd page it is suggested that the emperor wasn't quite as "mortally wounded" as fox news would have had the imperial citizens believe...

(btw i hope this is still canon.. I've been hearing GW have been neglecting their "specialist games" of late and Inquisitor might not be tied in to the main plots anymore, which would be a damn shame)

Anyway.. 3 random characters are having a quiet chat in the emperor's throneroom shortly after the Horus heresy (i reckon 1 or more of the high lords of Terra), in not so many words conversation basically runs like:

1- "so ...he's not actually comatosed then?"
2- "umm..no...we could probably wake him up actually..what'd'ya reckon?"
1-"hmmm...probably best not to... if he comes back shit will kick off again if theres any question over whether it's really him... believe it or not the proles are worshipping him as a god already. And also...well we'd look pretty damned unprofessional for telling everyone he was beyond help.. "
2- "yeah you're probably right..best leave it for now..."

at this point a female 3rd party interjects and goes

3-2 WTF!?...you guys are dicks!.....the people must be told!", storms off..

am guessing said 3rd party got a lovebite from an eversor assasin before she made it out of the throneroom

Anyway.. cracking thread. Has filled in alot of gaps for me..

 

[pigeonreaper]

Hmph. I had hoped this thread might spring back into life. Alas not. In an attempt to restart, another mystery!

Blood Ravens. What's the story behind them? No knowledge of Primarch, founding, or succession. Any ideas? I wondered if they perhaps originated from a group of marines in one of the Traitor Legions who [i/]didn't [/i] fall to Chaos. This would explain the lack of knowledge of their origins (they deliberately ensured the records were destroyed to remove links to their now excommunicated Legion). In the confusion following the Heresy, they simply emerged as a new Chapter. I think the Chaos leaders in some of the Dawn of War games hinted at some sort of Chaos connections. Anyone got another suggestion?

 

[teh_gunslinger]

Hmph. I had hoped this thread might spring back into life. Alas not. In an attempt to restart, another mystery!

Blood Ravens. What's the story behind them? No knowledge of Primarch, founding, or succession. Any ideas? I wondered if they perhaps originated from a group of marines in one of the Traitor Legions who [i/]didn't [/i] fall to Chaos. This would explain the lack of knowledge of their origins (they deliberately ensured the records were destroyed to remove links to their now excommunicated Legion). In the confusion following the Heresy, they simply emerged as a new Chapter. I think the Chaos leaders in some of the Dawn of War games hinted at some sort of Chaos connections. Anyone got another suggestion?

That makes some sense about the Blood Ravens.
I'm currently reading the BR books, but it's hard going as I find the author somewhat lacking. But it does bring me to this: what is the relation of the various books to the canon? I imagine that there is a order like in Star Wars with the fluff being at the top, but where do the books stand?

 

[BigKingBob]

Hmph. I had hoped this thread might spring back into life. Alas not. In an attempt to restart, another mystery!

Blood Ravens. What's the story behind them? No knowledge of Primarch, founding, or succession. Any ideas? I wondered if they perhaps originated from a group of marines in one of the Traitor Legions who [i/]didn't [/i] fall to Chaos. This would explain the lack of knowledge of their origins (they deliberately ensured the records were destroyed to remove links to their now excommunicated Legion). In the confusion following the Heresy, they simply emerged as a new Chapter. I think the Chaos leaders in some of the Dawn of War games hinted at some sort of Chaos connections. Anyone got another suggestion?

That makes some sense about the Blood Ravens.
I'm currently reading the BR books, but it's hard going as I find the author somewhat lacking. But it does bring me to this: what is the relation of the various books to the canon? I imagine that there is a order like in Star Wars with the fluff being at the top, but where do the books stand?

I thought it was hinted that they are actually a successor chapter of the Thousand Sons, made after the heresy from stored geneseed? That would go some ways to explain their hints at chaos heritage and the abundance of psykers in their ranks...

+++EDIT+++
Another mystery for you all. Just who is the black and white space marine on the black and white bike???

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/general-discussions/15010-black-white-space-marine.html

 

[Jaywebbs]

I have one question, which I actually registered only to ask this question, but is there anything remaining of the Imperial Truth?

I never actually figured why the Lectitio Divinitatus gained popularity over the Imperial Truth considering that Primarch Logar fell to chaos in the Horus Heresy. Does this mean that the Ecclesiarchy is a tool of Chaos and by extent all parts of the Imperium?