The USA, Soccer and The World Cup

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Riff Moonraker

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The USA and soccer a bit of a no-show for most Americans in the 20th Century. However in this World Cup the USA has been put through the soccer ringer, you've had wrongly disallowed goals, last minute saviour goals, actually playing well and getting into the final elite 16.

The Question to all you Americans out there, has this World Cup specifically perked your interest in the possibly the greatest sport ever, or do you feel soccer is getting bigger in the USA...because you team is class, and this is coming from an English guy...

EDIT: Yes it is FOOTBALL, but we gotta start em off easy, I'd like to see what happen if the USA got into FOOTBALL they make good spectacle
I'm glad to see them doing well, and I used to play soccer as a kid, but my interest is in football. I'm well aware that across the pond you folks call it football, but in the states, football uses a pigskin, and has a quarterback. :) I prefer watching the NFL anyday, but thats just my preference. I do think interest has been steadily going up for the sport, though, and thats a good thing.
 

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D Bones said:
It's popular in the USA every 4 years. That's about it. Other than that, American Football all the way. Rightly so, the NFL is the superior sport.
Of course it is. It just the rest of the world that's crazy who find the NFL boring. Bloody foreigners.

Let's hope germanys indifference to the english benefit us. The u.s.a topping the group give you guys a great chance on reaching the semis.
 

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Good for them I suppose. I root for American teams no matter what it is, but I just can't watch soccer. It's boring as fuck. I'd put it on the same level as NASCAR, but at least with that there is a chance for an explosion. I know! Put landmines on the soccer field! Now that I'd watch.
 

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Football. It's football. And dude you're english why are you calling soccer! I doubt they have has much interest as other countries.
"Soccer" is actually an English term, shot for "Association Football".
 

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First of all, allow my to make a bit of social commentary as someone who never really got into any team sports (probably because most of the people I knew growing up who WERE into team sports were jerks who picked on me in gym class).

A: Americans say Football = Soccer and American Football (i.e. America's idiotic bastardization of Rugby) = Football more as a matter of convenience than anything else. You say Football (meaning Soccer) in the U.S., and you automatically have to disambiguate. Nevermind if Soccer "deserves" to be called Football; in the U.S., it's never going to happen.

B: My roommate from Nigeria has a theory as to why Football (Soccer, that is. See what I mean?) was slow to catch on in the US, and that was because the low scores and the frequency of ties make it a less exciting game. My theory is that it's more a statement of America's decadence since it's difficult to gamble on a game that has a high probability (if the teams are any good) of ending in a nil-nil tie, and that it doesn't make much economic sense to promote Football since there's very little specialized equipment to be sold.

In American Football, if you want to play NFL regulation, you have to at least fabricate a pair of goalposts and set them in the ground in such a way that they won't fall over (a pretty hefty construction feat for such a large and poorly-balanced frame structure, mind you), and if you don't want your skull broken or your ribs shattered or your nutsack pummeled during play you have to buy expensive helmets, armor for every square inch of your body, spandex trousers to keep all that cumbersome padding in place, a mouth guard, and if you feel like being able to outrun or outmaneuver the competition I hope a good pair of cleats is on that shopping list of yours. Tack on gloves to keep the ball from slipping out of your hands all the time and a custom-printed uniform on to that and the overall cost is probably around $200 a player for consumer-grade kid-sized gear and up to $1000 a player for the custom-fitted adult-sized stuff.

The all-important ball is reduced to nothing more than a line-item, and when you consider that a typical American Football team (from little-league to National-league) will probably have at least one-and-a-half to double the number of players on it as they field at any given time, that's easily one to twenty-thousand dollars of sporting equipment present at every single game, and the more advanced you get, the higher your equipment costs. Any American kid hoping to play seriously for most of his youth will probably need more money put aside for equipment replacement than for his college fund.

Compare to Football, all you need is a $15-$30 USD ball. That's it. You can play in bare feet and mark out the goal lines in the dirt with some sticks if you have to. Even at the top levels, the only things you really need are cleats, shin-guards, goalie gloves, and two big nets to put on either side of the field (both of which can be properly secured to the ground in the time it takes to get just one of AmFoot's uprights upright).

As an aside, Rugby has probably about the same equipment needs as Football, which also explains why Americans don't like it more (though not as much as the fact that Rugby is AmFoot's older, smarter, more refined brother who could still kick his loud-mouthed, bratty sibling's ass every single day of the week if he wanted to).

So in other words, America is backwards from the rest of the world with respect to Football because American Football is the only sport that's stupid and wasteful enough for us to really get into and because the spartan, athletic, non-contact nature of Football doesn't appeal to the typical American slob's penchant for high production values with little actual depth and lots of physical violence.

And to remove all ambiguity, I am an American, and while I do like my country pretty well I think a lot of the people who live here and a lot of the things we do here are fucking stupid. American Football epitomizes many of these problems, from the high costs of single-purpose equipment, to the fits of unrestrained violent contact so intense they have to pause the game for three minutes after every play to let the player's brains reset, to how the winning teams always thank God for their victories while the losing teams always blame themselves.

Sorry for the tl:dr post, but I hope it's at least informative.
 

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I really don't understand why so many of my fellow Englishmen apparently care about how popular Football is in America.

Who cares? Let them play Handegg I say, they can leave the beautiful game to the more sophisticated nations (and England).

I don't care about Americans calling football soccer (we cam up with that, it comes from the game being called Association football), what I don't understand is why they call their drug crazed interpretation of Rugby football.
 

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I for one hate "American football"! You don't even use your feet?!
Also, you don't play with a ball.

My theory is that US people don't like Football, because other countries are also good in it.
If they just stick to Baseball, Basketball and American Football, everything's fine for them.

I actually like Basketball and American Football is okay (though I find it kinda weird that half of the people just run against each other and wait)
But Baseball is just unawesome. It's even less interesting than Tennis.
 

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I prefer American football because if you've actually played it it's a very surprisingly intelligent sport - it comes down to individual mindgames. I can understand why people don't like the stop/start nature, but it makes it a "tactical" sport as opposed to a "strategic" one like basketball or soccer.

That said, watching the world come together for the World Cup is an absolutely fascinating experience, and I certainly don't DISLIKE soccer.
 

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Dyme said:
My theory is that US people don't like Football, because other countries are also good in it.
If they just stick to Baseball, Basketball and American Football, everything's fine for them.
What about the Olympics? As I recall, America doesn't win every event, and in Vancouver, America didn't even win the most gold medals.
 
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Bah! all this childish bickering. Can we simply not like a sport without having to insult it?

Anyways it's really exciting to see the US get this far. I honestly don't think it's going to get severely popular solely because it has to compete with other more popular sports. I kinda wish rugby would get more face time in the US as well but it probably won't for the same reason.
 

Riff Moonraker

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why is it called football?
Its funny you posted this comparison... That number 22 in the pic on the right is more of an athlete than the one on the right any...day...of..the...week. Double deuce was my absolute favorite football player ever!
 

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well, I've always been a fan of soccer. I've played it all my life and have the utmost respect for soccer players. The MLS is a joke in my opinion and I don't get the oppurtunity to watch many good soccer matches except for when the World Cup rolls around every four years. So, I guess you could call me a fan, but it's not my favorite sport due to lack of exposure. Baseball is where it's at.
 

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I played the game for 11 years. I'm as interested in it as I'll ever be. It's an entertaining game to play and watch with or without the US playing well.
 

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I dunno. Soccer just doesnt seem exciting enough. Not a lot happens, and they basically just kick the ball back and forward to their team mates to count down time on the clock.

As for Gridiron, dear god that's boring! No game that calls it's self "football" should take so bloody long to play! I understand that it's "like playing chess on a field" but dear god, they shouldnt be stopping every minute, or changing teams when they loose or gain possession. At least in soccer there's always something happening.

Rugby Union has a lot of potential. But only if Australia gets over this Rugby League bullcrap. I dont really think America has room for another major sport to pop up. ie: Union. I just dont think America would embrace it. And they'd never touch League.
And AFL has about as much chance in America as Gaelic Football. Absolutely none.

But the thing about Rugby League in Australia is that it will always be a Mickey Mouse sport. The main problem with it is that it has a salary cap. This is because it's pretty much only played in Australia. Sure, the Poms and the Kiwi's play it a bit, but not as much as us.

Hmm. It's 3am and I dont really know where i'm going with this. In short, NFL crap, Soccer acceptable. And cage fighting is the only real man's sport out there.

*As an Australian I am qualified to comment about all sports. This is because we're the greatest sporting nation on Earth. We have a small population, and we win pretty much everything. Unless it's a winter sport. We dont get much snow in the desert.*
 

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Only ½ American here, and I've never rooted for the US (men's) team in the World Cup---always rooted for England. I played the sport for years and still fanatically follow Inter and my POS English team-Sheffield Wednesday.

My favorite part about this "epic victory" is noticing how many bandwagon jumpers there are now for the sport. I'm an avid Mike & Mike in the Morning viewer/listener, along with a reader of many sports blogs, and I was/am absolutely disgusted with how much gushing I've been hearing/reading over the US's advance to the next round--those guys, among other reporters/bloggers/journalists are acting as if this is the Second Coming when we ALL KNOW that 2 weeks after the World Cup is over, soccer/football will be all but forgotten by everyone but people who play the game in the US. They talked more about this game[footnote]yet still a hell of a lot less than the yawnfest known as the NBA draft[/footnote] than the TRUELY epic match yesterday--The Isner v Mahut match in Wimbledon, which will FOREVER be more memorable than the US advancing to the round of 16--which they were projected to do anyway, ffs! I will only see that win as a true victory if it means that soccer becomes a bigger sport in the US, but after all these years of MLS (and a few versions of the women's league), I don't see the US as EVER being a big soccer/footie country.


tl;dr: Americans only care cos the men won. As soon as they lose, Americans will once again forget about footie.
 

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Nemu said:
Only ½ American here, and I've never rooted for the US (men's) team in the World Cup---always rooted for England. I played the sport for years and still fanatically follow Inter and my POS English team-Sheffield Wednesday.

My favorite part about this "epic victory" is noticing how many bandwagon jumpers there are now for the sport. I'm an avid Mike & Mike in the Morning viewer/listener, along with a reader of many sports blogs, and I was/am absolutely disgusted with how much gushing I've been hearing/reading over the US's advance to the next round--those guys, among other reporters/bloggers/journalists are acting as if this is the Second Coming when we ALL KNOW that 2 weeks after the World Cup is over, soccer/football will be all but forgotten by everyone but people who play the game in the US. They talked more about this game[footnote]yet still a hell of a lot less than the yawnfest known as the NBA draft[/footnote] than the TRUELY epic match yesterday--The Isner v Mahut match in Wimbledon, which will FOREVER be more memorable than the US advancing to the round of 16--which they were projected to do anyway, ffs! I will only see that win as a true victory if it means that soccer becomes a bigger sport in the US, but after all these years of MLS (and a few versions of the women's league), I don't see the US as EVER being a big soccer/footie country.


tl;dr: Americans only care cos the men won. As soon as they lose, Americans will once again forget about footie.
Man, I loved that Isner v Mahut match. Mahut was by far the fittest out of the two, I'd say. (Also, he played a 20 something fifth set to qualify)

Anyway, back to Footbowwwll. I despise the word "Soccer"...
Nah, it's a fad, just like baseball was tried to be introduced to the rest of the world, and was popular for a while, but died out again.

Anway, I'm more of a Rugby guy, and the thing I hate most about Football, is that almost every match there'll be someone who moans and groans and thrashes about on the floor, realises no-one cares, and gets straight back up.
Or they slow down the whole game, but the re-play showed nothing actually happened >.>
So, it's a miracle I've watched this far into the WC.
 

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Jark212 said:
No, Soccer (football for you over the pond) is certainly not growing, and if it is it will only be temporary...
You have a game in which you can only kick the BALL with your FOOT.

You have a game in which an EGG is rammed into your ARMPIT/HAND and kicked only some of the time.

Which one do you logically call football?
Which one do you logically call handegg?

Aside from the obvious sillyness im dissapointed in England and think the US wont be interested in football. They find handegg far more interesting, its a cult following, a single event will not push it out.