Can I just say there are no redundant courses out there imo. The idea of going on to univeristy is to SPECIALISE in a subject YOU ARE interested in. Those that go for a degree just because it opens up better prospects rather than a subject which interests them are going to have one tough ride.
The Useless Arts?
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I personally love creating Digital Art and photography. I dont do it for Fame or Wealth, its osmething I simply enjoy. But when I show it (on DeviantART) not for attention but mearly show my friends what i'm able to do (because Im sure as hell no god) I commonly get bombarded with some random people who think "Your a nobody. your not funded like myself. drop the Camera and GTFO"
Or simply, "I hate competition, stop making it harder for my more rich, well funded life you 1900 Film Camera User"
Which sadly was almost what someone said.
This snobbery over courses is pretty silly.
I hate telling people what I'm studying because when I say "computer games technology", they always go "Oh, so you play games and stuff?"
Yes, I pay a shitload of student tuition fees, train fares and living expenses so I can wake up at 6am in the morning to play games all day.
Someone once told me he was studying Computer Science and laughed at me for studying CGT becuase "A hard-nosed" science would beat out my "artsy" degree and he'd be getting job offers by the buckeload and I'd be the one with the mcjob.
What he didn't know was that my course teaches an enormous amount of 3D realtime maths and physics and an intense amount of programming in industry-relevant libraries like OpenGL and shader language (Cg).
3 years later, I'm almost finsihed my honours, got a job offer from a company in Dundee and have experience with Cg and OpenGL and all he has done is some shit with Visual Basic and Pascal.
No degree is what it appears to be.
I hate telling people what I'm studying because when I say "computer games technology", they always go "Oh, so you play games and stuff?"
Yes, I pay a shitload of student tuition fees, train fares and living expenses so I can wake up at 6am in the morning to play games all day.
Someone once told me he was studying Computer Science and laughed at me for studying CGT becuase "A hard-nosed" science would beat out my "artsy" degree and he'd be getting job offers by the buckeload and I'd be the one with the mcjob.
What he didn't know was that my course teaches an enormous amount of 3D realtime maths and physics and an intense amount of programming in industry-relevant libraries like OpenGL and shader language (Cg).
3 years later, I'm almost finsihed my honours, got a job offer from a company in Dundee and have experience with Cg and OpenGL and all he has done is some shit with Visual Basic and Pascal.
No degree is what it appears to be.
"What do you do, with a B.A. in English? Four years of college, and plenty of knowledge, have earned me this useless degree!" - Avenue Q.
Personally, I'm still in high school. And I'm aiming to do a dual Fine Arts/Law degree, which requires a 99.5+ UAI. I'm considering then going into copyright law focusing on the defense of artist's work, because it's severely underrepresented.
And pays rather well =)
Personally, I'm still in high school. And I'm aiming to do a dual Fine Arts/Law degree, which requires a 99.5+ UAI. I'm considering then going into copyright law focusing on the defense of artist's work, because it's severely underrepresented.
And pays rather well =)
Meh Im an art appreciator myself merely as a hobby would love to do it as a course someday but I hounestly think all students need a dose of reality. If you think your going out of college/uni fresh faced into a well paying job heh good luck, experiance is always a higher priority for employers. Been working since i was 17 aswell as juggeling three years worth of college, may go back and put in the work for a master degree someday but financial security/a paid off home are much more important to me, rather live stable and happily in a meh job than go back to eating beans and toast in a shared flat as a student.
Basically this,whyhalothar said:
After being fighting the side for "Video games as art" for about 4 years now how could anyone, on a video game based forum no less, argue that art is useless.
as shown above this snippet from Scott McCloud's book "understanding comics: the invisible art" shows how a definition of art is difficult to reach, hell, he spends a good portion of the early book trying to answer that very question. but almost all things are art. from the way a symphony plays a classical tune to when you're bored and tap your fingers on the desk. The greatest painting by a renowned master of the arts to the picture of sponge bob my 6 year old sister drew me at the weekend.Scott McCloud (1993) said:
To tell people to stop wasting time on art is to say, lets stop all technological, medical and scientific progress and go out and to f*ck and eat instead.
art is what made humanity the great civilization it is, without it we'd still be naked, hunting animals with out bare hands (weapon crafting and simple clothing design could be considered art)
I know a lot of people will look past yet ANOTHER wall of text in this page, but to say art is a waste of time, ironically, is a waste of time. We NEED art as a society to keep from being the monosyllabic naked cave dwellers that we once were. (as the spoken language could eb considered art)
Funny, I like both of those. That is, both are images I would gladly hang on my wall. I don't get why there always has to be an 'either this or this', why can't we have both? Sometimes one can have the cake and eat it too.Dark42 said:ExactlyEldritch Warlord said:Dark42 said:and
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Excuse me, but don't misread my comment. I was saying AT LEAST that art was engaging through colour/pattern/etc, i.e. the stuff that interests human brains and takes more effort to achieve that getting a canvas or 3 and hanging them on a wall. Art elitist bullshit be damned, blank canvas', a room with a bulb that flashs on...off...on...off, and a bed with the artists 'little black book' written all over it are not art.Erana said:your understanding of art is over a century out of date.Dark42 said:
Wait-Doug said:At least that example of Modern art has pattern, colour, and looks interesting... this doesn't:
Why the Hell do you think that art is all about looking pretty?
The above work that you liken to feces has already served its purpose-
proving that you'd consider a blank canvas art just because it is a canvas mounted in a museum.
I mean, seriously, you're a pawn of the artist.
You people keep complaining about something that you don't even make an effort to understand. You're being just as bad as the people who blame art for criminal acts.
Put some blood effort into making it engaging 'artists'.
I really can't bash the arts seeing as I used to be a Cinema major. I think one of the problems is, people will start in something but never finish it/lose interest.
Stop calling me a fool and at least pick up a damn book.
I keep trying to explain to yall that art doesn't have to be about beauty, but have meaning.
The fact that you keep obseessing over art saying, "This isn't art," proves that the artist achieved their goal; you're thinking exactly what they wanted you to think.
I keep trying to explain to yall that art doesn't have to be about beauty, but have meaning.
The fact that you keep obseessing over art saying, "This isn't art," proves that the artist achieved their goal; you're thinking exactly what they wanted you to think.
Repeatly saying "THIS IS ART AND YOUR STUPID" isn't proving its art. If anything, I'm more convinced that the 'cream' of art is full of bullshiter out to just get more cash for themselves, safe in the knowledge people will accept anything as 'art'.Erana said:
Well the class is christian faith, so they only teach about christianity, and I already did the whole religion thing, it wasnt for me, once you start questioning everything you realize that's its all a man made contraption to control the masses, some might see it differently but in my 24 years alive researching different religions that's my opinion.Erana said:
Ah, well, yeah, but you have a better understanding of other Christian religions, right?Vault boy Eddie said:
For example, over on this side of the pond, we all have to do a "Religious Education" course along side all the others. This gives us a small education into alot of faiths (for example, I recall being taught about Jews, Christians, Mulsims, Hindus, and probably a few others that I've forgetten) as well as making us think about moral judgement issues - I don't recall being pushed in any one direction - for example, we had to have debate on abortion, and take turns on the pro-life/pro-choice.
I'm surprised that I've been told Americans don't have this on grounds of the seperation of church and state - is this true?
What is the point of being on a gaming site if you are going to insult video games?Erana said:So... Art has to cater to your needs?Eldritch Warlord said:Art that does not aspire to be fun and/or nice to look at is probably crappy or propaganda.Erana said:your understanding of art is over a century out of date.Dark42 said:
Wait-Doug said:At least that example of Modern art has pattern, colour, and looks interesting... this doesn't:
Why the Hell do you think that art is all about looking pretty?
The above work that you liken to feces has already served its purpose-
proving that you'd consider a blank canvas art just because it is a canvas mounted in a museum.
I mean, seriously, you're a pawn of the artist.
You people keep complaining about something that you don't even make an effort to understand. You're being just as bad as the people who blame art for criminal acts.
It's fine to have a message, but first and foremost should be something that makes me want to hear it.
I'm sorry, but some people have different tastes. Just because you don't get into it means that it is useless.
Really, though. Look who'se talking. A bunch of gamers.
Video games have done far less for society than art has, and yet "art" it being called the useless one. Games are built on hedonism, one mother of all uselessness.
I mean, look whose calling the kettle black.
Funny. I don't think the intent was to criticise videogames. I think the people who are bashing art are being called hypocrites, when they themselves are most likely gamers, and in any topic relating to gaming, they'd be up in arms to defend it.gof22 said:What is the point of being on a gaming site if you are going to insult video games?Erana said:So... Art has to cater to your needs?Eldritch Warlord said:Art that does not aspire to be fun and/or nice to look at is probably crappy or propaganda.Erana said:your understanding of art is over a century out of date.Dark42 said:
Wait-Doug said:At least that example of Modern art has pattern, colour, and looks interesting... this doesn't:
Why the Hell do you think that art is all about looking pretty?
The above work that you liken to feces has already served its purpose-
proving that you'd consider a blank canvas art just because it is a canvas mounted in a museum.
I mean, seriously, you're a pawn of the artist.
You people keep complaining about something that you don't even make an effort to understand. You're being just as bad as the people who blame art for criminal acts.
It's fine to have a message, but first and foremost should be something that makes me want to hear it.
I'm sorry, but some people have different tastes. Just because you don't get into it means that it is useless.
Really, though. Look who'se talking. A bunch of gamers.
Video games have done far less for society than art has, and yet "art" it being called the useless one. Games are built on hedonism, one mother of all uselessness.
I mean, look whose calling the kettle black.
A notion just reading some of the posts in here I tend to agree with. Just as there is nothing science has not touched in this world, so to is there nothing art has not touched, you can have one without the other, but science without creativity is sterile. Art without technique is a heaping mess. Personally, picking sides in this kind of argument is one of the most idiotic things I can think of. I'll take both thank you.
This is ridiculous and pointless discrimination.
Yes, its still discrimination. I study art, you don't think its worthwhile, fuck you! But don't try and call me useless to society, just keep your opinions to yourself.
Oh, you don't like modern art. So fucking what? Are they directly (or indirectly for that matter) harming you in any way? No, you just consider them a petty annoyance and feel the need to make a thread about it?
Fucking. Pathetic.
Yes, its still discrimination. I study art, you don't think its worthwhile, fuck you! But don't try and call me useless to society, just keep your opinions to yourself.
Oh, you don't like modern art. So fucking what? Are they directly (or indirectly for that matter) harming you in any way? No, you just consider them a petty annoyance and feel the need to make a thread about it?
Fucking. Pathetic.
Art does influence culture, which is good. Except most people are into celebrities instead of focusing on culture.GothmogII said:Funny. I don't think the intent was to criticise videogames. I think the people who are bashing art are being called hypocrites, when they themselves are most likely gamers, and in any topic relating to gaming, they'd be up in arms to defend it.gof22 said:What is the point of being on a gaming site if you are going to insult video games?Erana said:So... Art has to cater to your needs?Eldritch Warlord said:Art that does not aspire to be fun and/or nice to look at is probably crappy or propaganda.Erana said:your understanding of art is over a century out of date.Dark42 said:
Wait-Doug said:At least that example of Modern art has pattern, colour, and looks interesting... this doesn't:
Why the Hell do you think that art is all about looking pretty?
The above work that you liken to feces has already served its purpose-
proving that you'd consider a blank canvas art just because it is a canvas mounted in a museum.
I mean, seriously, you're a pawn of the artist.
You people keep complaining about something that you don't even make an effort to understand. You're being just as bad as the people who blame art for criminal acts.
It's fine to have a message, but first and foremost should be something that makes me want to hear it.
I'm sorry, but some people have different tastes. Just because you don't get into it means that it is useless.
Really, though. Look who'se talking. A bunch of gamers.
Video games have done far less for society than art has, and yet "art" it being called the useless one. Games are built on hedonism, one mother of all uselessness.
I mean, look whose calling the kettle black.
A notion just reading some of the posts in here I tend to agree with. Just as there is nothing science has not touched in this world, so to is there nothing art has not touched, you can have one without the other, but science without creativity is sterile. Art without technique is a heaping mess. Personally, picking sides in this kind of argument is one of the most idiotic things I can think of. I'll take both thank you.
Yea they teach a bit of everything in history classes, religion wise, but not enough so ive taken it upon myself to research, and what ive found is that, basically all religions have the same stories, same stories in the bible you will find in hinduism books AND the koran, not only that but jesus appears in the koran, just not in as big a role as in the bible. And on the church and state thing, since im not actually IN the US I couldnt answer that one but in Puerto Rico since its the same model yes there a separation, but not so that you would notice.Doug said: