When people love it, they love it with a passion and try to pursue it. I'm a former art major, and after realizing that I would get a degree only to figure out that it would be rendered useless in the "real world" I decided to step back into reality and quit school for awhile. I'll eventually go back, I've just stepped off the beaten path for awhile, trying to figure things out. Coming to the realization that getting an art degree was a lost cause (for some) really shook my world up. Now I don't really know what to do.
But yeah, I started asking myself why I want to PAY for something that is just going to end up a hobby, or just a side thing. I realized that I needed another plan, I'm just not sure what that is yet.
To tell people to stop wasting time on art is to say, lets stop all technological, medical and scientific progress and go out and to f*ck and eat instead.
You're forgetting something: Those who study sciences can still create art, while those who study the arts can't easily do science.
You see, not every piece of information can be useful. I've wasted my time on many, many occasions, writing articles and reviews. On some occasions, I've written things about subjects so pedantic that they're essentially useless. I recognise them to be useless.
you miss-understand: art, by popular definition, is basically useless, but it can breed creative genius. think way back in time to the creation of fire, i don't think the first caveman to rub two sticks together really expected anything to happen. but art breeds progress.
I'm not saying that artists can be scientific, that was far from the point, but artists can be creative, and that creativity can breed wonderful creations, and that happen chance can allow for great scientific advances.
Don't sit there and try to write on a Forum of this website that an Art's degree is entirely useless, because it's so hypocritical it's laughable. You think this website or the new "Genre Wars" was designed by someone with a science degree?
Let me ask you a few questions: What sort of person do you suppose developed the space program, or the computer, or the Eiffel Tower? That last one is quite notable, considering that it's considered a work of art, but it's also a fantastic example of engineering. Efficient engineering can be just as artistic as the works of a trained artist, and more practical at the same time. I like art for art's sake, but frankly, I prefer well-designed engineering.
I suppose, however, there is an irony in the fact that when I'm finished, I'll have a B.A. with a moderatorship instead of a B.Sc.
I didn't say architecture or engineering didn't involve art, and i know that the person who made the Eiffel Tower had a spark of creative brillance, but without that artistic creative spark, every building in every country in every part of the world would look exactly the same because what would be the point in them being different besides maybe in minor layout changes, when it would just waste time and money on something that could be spent more efficiently. Ascetics means nothing to those who focus purely on the scientific, but what a dull and monotone world would that be?
Art has two categories
REAL ART: art that is fun to look at has no purpose other then to look pretty.
MODERN ART: totally useless pointless boring pieces of crap that can literally be pieces garbage, that it totally over priced and is only bought by rich people that have far too much money.
Did you even try to consider the higher meaning of that PHOTO, not a painting. A blank slate, an empty life, life is meaningless, a criticism of society in itself. If you don't even want to try to attempt to understand something fully that your going to talk about, don't talk about, go to your next thread
How about 'stop making an excuse for a bunch of idiots looking at a blank canvas and drawing meaning from it'. Look up at the night sky. Look at the vastness of everything. And then remember, +99.99% of everything is void space - even you, and me.
See, I do have a handle on such things. But, and he's the key part, art is something that invokes an emotional reaction, thought, or other idea through a medium. Does this mean a blank canvas is art? Possibly, possibly. Does it mean its worth oodles and oodles of cash, and to be shown as a 'national treasure'? Fuck no.
The 'art elite' are so far up there own arses there going to suffocate. Artist are meant to try and make us think. These pretenous arseholes seem to think they can do the job with a blank canvas, a room where the bulb goes on and off, and a bed with the names of all the guys the artist sleep with on them.
And you know what? Outside of their little world of selling garabage as art, we see scenes like this:
Glasgow art fair:
Melbourne street:
See, this is more likely art to engage with people. Thats what art has to do to work. Just showing people an ordinary or pretenous thing, calling it art, and asking for shit loads of money isn't art.
Anyone interest, I can recommend "Not Quite Art", a short series I found a few months ago by accident (yeah, Yahtzee is in an episode and hence how I first found it).
I never said it was THAT good of art, i myself didn't particularly like it, i was just playing devil's advocate to prove my point that there is a larger audience to consider then yourself, regardless of what we personally would like. The flaw with freedom of speech is that people who take a simple picture can get paid way more then it's and people who sit in a dead end desk job doing real work get paid not nearly as much. i hate those people too, ALOT. But i'm arguing the point that art, the good and the bad, isn't useless. You and someone else you know my not like the art, but because of that first amendment, there's really not much we can do about it.
I absolutely love The Arts, especially Performing Arts. I do a Maths degree but that's because it was my best subject, and I just happened to enjoy it. I was never given the option to do a Drama GCSE and I couldn't take Art because I happen to specialise in only one area of traditional Art (Encaustic, for anyone interested, though I also dabble in 3D Landscapes through digital rendering).
However, I have always been extremely creative and am involved in my university's Film Making Society and Theatre Group, I make some art pieces on occasion (they're on my DA profile, if you want to know, just search 'Trivun'), and I hope to turn my indie game development interest into a proper career. I'm also interested in learning to play the drums. So these Arts that you talk about, OP, are not redundant and useless, by all means. In fact, they are a great source of enjoyment for many like myself, whether or not they hold any hope of a career or fame.
That's not really fair. Perhaps art doesn't require as much rigorous study as the "hard sciences" do, but that doesn't mean a scientist who has no artistic education can become a great artist. Just like an artist with formal training in his or her field cannot walk into a laboratory and conduct an experiment without prior education. He or she can do the best with what they already know, but in the end, only through education and training can a person truly understand what it is they're doing.
I've taken fine art classes and if you think its an easy out, you're wrong. I myself am studying graphic arts and I think its far from unimportant. Art is very important to the way we see society; ads, movies, VIDEO GAMES, television, architecture-- that shit doesn't just pop into existence, you know.
You can always get a job somewhere in there as long as society is as entertainment centric as it is now. I don't know about the performing arts but commercial art has quite a bit of potential. The only field that seems to be a lot of BS in my art department is sculpture where you buy a box and flashlight, put the flashlight inside the box and call it a sculpture.
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