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ducktapemax

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AbstractStream said:
The roles are reversed and it's just fantastic XD
actually i think Gray thinks this is how reds personality normally is. i don't think there is a role reversal per say.
 

BENZOOKA

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The Hobbit has it right. You should be at least 50 before going on an adventure.

Even then, you'll probably forget to take your cane, hat and handkerchief with you.
 

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So Pokemon is based on Conrad's The Duel? I was waaaay to old for Pokemon at the time but I love Ridley Scott's The Duelists.
 

PunkRex

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Scrotum? The only Oak besides the Prof ive met is Cuntface...

Grenge Di Origin said:
*picks up megaphone*
Okay, everyone on this site? I just want to clear things up. This is not, and I repeat, NOT Ash. This is RED, the only person who could run Gary Motherfucking Oak into the ground. Observe:
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-redvsash.jpg
Are we all clear on this?
...good. Return to your duties.
*puts down megaphone*
PREACH! Ash annoyed the hell out of me as a kid, he knew NOTHING about Pokemon and pulled stupid battle tactics that made no sense out of his pok'e'hole. Im surprised he knew what a Pikachu was...
 

marche45

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Foolproof said:
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Grey Carter said:
take up professional poaching.
Poaching? Since when is kidnapping something that is fully sentient and shows intelligence, then forcibly lobotomizing it to make it unquestioningly loyal to you referred to as "poaching"?
Its not lobotomizing,your just tagging it.
Besides,i am fairly certain its been stated that pokemon like fighting.
 

orangeapples

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Grenge Di Origin said:
*picks up megaphone*
Okay, everyone on this site? I just want to clear things up. This is not, and I repeat, NOT Ash. This is RED, the only person who could run Gary Motherfucking Oak into the ground. Observe:
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-redvsash.jpg
Are we all clear on this?
...good. Return to your duties.
*puts down megaphone*
Ash is quite an accomplished trainer and far above "mediocre".

top 16 of the Indigo Conference. A competition that had over 200 competitors. and has since ranked top 8 in the Silver Conference, top 8 in the Ever Grande Conference and top 4 of the Lily of the Valley Conference. Also of note is that Ash is both a champion of the Orange League and the Kanto Battle Frontier.

Ash has completely humiliated that squad of Team Rocket for so long Giovanni didn't want anything to do with them. Jesse James and Meowth didn't become competent until after they stopped trying to annoy Ash for Pikachu. Ash also did the same against Butch and Cassidy. Ash doesn't have to stop Team Rocket because TR isn't really doing much evil to the world. He did however stop Team Magma/Aqua and Team Galactic. Red did neither of those.

Ash has caught more than 10 pokemon in his career.
Caterpie
Pidgeotto
Bulbasaur
Charmander
Squirtle
Primape
Krabby
Muk
Tauros
Snorlax
And that was just Kanto
He's added over 20 pokemon since then.

Gary and Ash aren't even in the same competition anymore. Gary has decided to become a pokemon researcher, while Ash continues to travel as a trainer. Both are learning more about pokemon and respect each other. Far from "doesn't even care for him."

It is 2012; your "facts" are 14 years behind the times.

Also, if you're gonna use a picture of Red, use official art, not some fanart done to idolize Red:


and since I'm here:

Ultimate Pokemon Trainer? according to what? Canonically, Red's only obtained 7 pokemon:
Pikachu
Charmander
Squirtle
Bulbasaur
Snorlax
Eevee
Lapras
That's worse than how Ash canonically does in the same region.

Lone Wolf is another way of saying "no friends". He doesn't even call his mom.

First Pokemon Master ever? How so? He was League Champion, but then lost that position to Lance. Did Red catch all of the pokemon? Does Red know everything there is to know about pokemon? I doubt it because some punk 10 year old kid comes along and beats him sending Red crying to the last pokemon center he visited.

His Rival is *****? far from it. When Blue loses to Red, what does he do? He remarks about how his pokemon will do better nest time. What does Red do when he loses to Blue? He faints and has to get rushed back to the last pokemon center he visited. And lets face it, the only reason you are able to beat Blue so easily is because you played the game a bunch of times. When you were first going on your adventure, he wiped the floor with you.
 

Metalix Knightmare

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REALLY should've switched the roles there. Honestly, I'd have been happy to never see that twit after the S.S.Anne fight. I honestly thought he was stalking me after awhile.
 

marche45

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Foolproof said:
Absolutely nothing in the game supports the idea that its not lobotomizing them.

Think about it - when they're wild, Pokemon try to kill you. They attack humans on sight, and are instinctually driven to do so. But as soon as its caught, a Pokemon does a complete 180.
Not all the time.Pokemon over a certain level can refuse to take commands if you haven't proven yourself(earned badges) and Ash's charizard straight up refused to take his commands.

Ah, but if it was lobotomization, it would be reflected in their intelligence being diminished. But it is. Why do they think they "can't remember more than four things" - including something as natural as "BITE"? Maybe their intelligence is dimminished by the process.
Do wild pokemon even know more then 4 moves?


But maybe I'm thinking of it wrong - a Pokemon is honorable, and will only go to a trainer that proves their strength. Except they don't, not in any way - pokemon will run, teleport, even kill themselves to get away from a trainer. How is that a test of strength?
Playing hard to get?Pokemon are clearly still free to not obey you.

But even beyond that, look at what happens when you throw the ball. Are they content with your strength? Or are they still struggling in their balls, trying desperately, desperately, to get out, to escape a life of brainwashed servitude to a fucking kid?
They get turned into energy,so nothing really happens in there.

Yes, the humans say the Pokemon like battling. The humans say a lot of things to justify doing terrible, terrible acts.
Clearly,since they attack on sight they do like to fight.
 

marche45

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Foolproof said:
marche45 said:
Foolproof said:
Absolutely nothing in the game supports the idea that its not lobotomizing them.

Think about it - when they're wild, Pokemon try to kill you. They attack humans on sight, and are instinctually driven to do so. But as soon as its caught, a Pokemon does a complete 180.
Not all the time.Pokemon over a certain level can refuse to take commands if you haven't proven yourself(earned badges) and Ash's charizard straight up refused to take his commands.
No, that only works with trades. If you caught them, they will do whatever you want no matter the level.

Ah, but if it was lobotomization, it would be reflected in their intelligence being diminished. But it is. Why do they think they "can't remember more than four things" - including something as natural as "BITE"? Maybe their intelligence is dimminished by the process.
Do wild pokemon even know more then 4 moves?
No way of knowing without capturing them. Better question - could a single living organism survive knowing only four things?


But maybe I'm thinking of it wrong - a Pokemon is honorable, and will only go to a trainer that proves their strength. Except they don't, not in any way - pokemon will run, teleport, even kill themselves to get away from a trainer. How is that a test of strength?
Playing hard to get?
Suicidally hard to get, including blowing themselves up. Thats what you do to escape a fate worse than death.

But even beyond that, look at what happens when you throw the ball. Are they content with your strength? Or are they still struggling in their balls, trying desperately, desperately, to get out, to escape a life of brainwashed servitude to a fucking kid?
They get turned into energy,so nothing really happens in there.
Because it would be impossible to rewire an organism if you digitized it. Just like how I can't edit this post EDIT: Oh wait, I can.

Yes, the humans say the Pokemon like battling. The humans say a lot of things to justify doing terrible, terrible acts.
Clearly,since they attack on sight they do like to fight.
Except they don't attack each other on sight, just humans. Read what I said about how if fighting were natural, Zubats would be extinct.

And don't claim they breed too fast, the games clearly state that every single Pokemon breeds at the exact same rate, with the exact same amount of offspring.
Fair enough,still proves they don't have to obey their masters.They also(again) seem to enjoy your company

Its 4 attack moves,with other pokemon who know 4 attack moves.I think it can survive.

Pokemon faint in battle.Unless something specifically states they will die(like charmander's fire going out) they won't die.That or i guess them being eaten(if pokemon eat each other.)
Besides,it looks like zubat could have a speed advantage,with the flight and all.

I don't recall the pokeball rewiring pokemon's mind,disobeying traded trainers for instance.

Maybe they fight each other?They don't have to fight other species.
 

marche45

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Foolproof said:
No, they have to obey their original masters. Original. After that, you have to instill fear in Pokemon that have been traded to you.

These attack moves include their primary means of sustenance (Dream Eater, Bite, Leech Life).

Yes, "faint". A fainting that they never wake up from without using a highly expensive curio, a sacred relic, or a highly advanced machine that flashes. When actual fainting wears off in about an hour or so, and would realistically be no more debilitating than going to sleep.

Rewired to mindlessly, slavishly obey their original masters. Original being the key word.

So they fight only their own species....except humans, whom they also attack.
If they could be rewired to obey someone at all,then it should be simple to do that for another person.

Pokemon in the wild need those attacks.Captive pokemon get fed pellets.

Maybe they could be nursed back to health?Dunno,its either that or their are a shit ton of zubats in every cave.

Again,why can't they be rewired once more?

The difference being that the pokemon have presumably learned to live together in harmony,while you are an intruder.Or they could see the fact that you are human and thus weak make you easy prey.
 

ksn0va

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orangeapples said:
Grenge Di Origin said:
*picks up megaphone*
Okay, everyone on this site? I just want to clear things up. This is not, and I repeat, NOT Ash. This is RED, the only person who could run Gary Motherfucking Oak into the ground. Observe:
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-redvsash.jpg
Are we all clear on this?
...good. Return to your duties.
*puts down megaphone*
Ash is quite an accomplished trainer and far above "mediocre".

top 16 of the Indigo Conference. A competition that had over 200 competitors. and has since ranked top 8 in the Silver Conference, top 8 in the Ever Grande Conference and top 4 of the Lily of the Valley Conference. Also of note is that Ash is both a champion of the Orange League and the Kanto Battle Frontier.

Ash has completely humiliated that squad of Team Rocket for so long Giovanni didn't want anything to do with them. Jesse James and Meowth didn't become competent until after they stopped trying to annoy Ash for Pikachu. Ash also did the same against Butch and Cassidy. Ash doesn't have to stop Team Rocket because TR isn't really doing much evil to the world. He did however stop Team Magma/Aqua and Team Galactic. Red did neither of those.

Ash has caught more than 10 pokemon in his career.
Caterpie
Pidgeotto
Bulbasaur
Charmander
Squirtle
Primape
Krabby
Muk
Tauros
Snorlax
And that was just Kanto
He's added over 20 pokemon since then.

Gary and Ash aren't even in the same competition anymore. Gary has decided to become a pokemon researcher, while Ash continues to travel as a trainer. Both are learning more about pokemon and respect each other. Far from "doesn't even care for him."

It is 2012; your "facts" are 14 years behind the times.

Also, if you're gonna use a picture of Red, use official art, not some fanart done to idolize Red:


and since I'm here:

Ultimate Pokemon Trainer? according to what? Canonically, Red's only obtained 7 pokemon:
Pikachu
Charmander
Squirtle
Bulbasaur
Snorlax
Eevee
Lapras
That's worse than how Ash canonically does in the same region.

Lone Wolf is another way of saying "no friends". He doesn't even call his mom.

First Pokemon Master ever? How so? He was League Champion, but then lost that position to Lance. Did Red catch all of the pokemon? Does Red know everything there is to know about pokemon? I doubt it because some punk 10 year old kid comes along and beats him sending Red crying to the last pokemon center he visited.

His Rival is *****? far from it. When Blue loses to Red, what does he do? He remarks about how his pokemon will do better nest time. What does Red do when he loses to Blue? He faints and has to get rushed back to the last pokemon center he visited. And lets face it, the only reason you are able to beat Blue so easily is because you played the game a bunch of times. When you were first going on your adventure, he wiped the floor with you.
Does Red appear in the anime?
 

Ljs1121

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I kinda feel bad for Blue.

Not as bad as I did when I murdered his Raticate, but still.