The very first time you went "this is bullsh*t!" after an ending of something.

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Probably Monty Python and the Holy Grail. My dad loves that movie, so I saw it at a really young age, and still remember being really put off by how it ended.
Fox12 said:
The first one that really pissed me off was Mass Effect 3. I've never been so invested, and so let down. Also, any ending that somehow manages to undue the character development, or which sets everything back to the ending. The worst ones are the ones that give all the characters amnesia.
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I remember getting the game on release, and beating it in a day or two. I was among the first wave of people to experience the ending, and it wasn't until after the first weekend that I saw the responses really start to flare up. I knew it was coming.

Like you, I wasn't angry at first. I didn't know what to make of it. Given how invested I'd been just ten minutes ago, I mostly felt sort of numb. I didn't feel much of anything. It was surreal. I just sat there for a few quiet moments before getting up, turning the tv off, and going to bed. And with that my love affair with Mass Effect was just sort of over. I don't even like going back and playing the old games. I'm just done with Bioware.
So MUCH so these two. I felt genuinely cheated out of a film with the Holy Grail's ending and the ending to ME3 genuinely hurt. I cannot even play the game after finding out what happens.
Holy Grail ended on a bit of a mess. I'm willing to let it go, though, since they redeemed themselves with the genius ending to Life of Brian. One of my favorite film endings ever.
The sad truth of Holy Grail is they ran out of money for the ending, so they patched in the police subplot to build up the anti-climax. I was disappointed in it the first time too but I think subsequent viewings helped improve my feelings on it.
 

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SupahEwok said:
Fox12 said:
Saulkar said:
Chanticoblues said:
Probably Monty Python and the Holy Grail. My dad loves that movie, so I saw it at a really young age, and still remember being really put off by how it ended.
Fox12 said:
The first one that really pissed me off was Mass Effect 3. I've never been so invested, and so let down. Also, any ending that somehow manages to undue the character development, or which sets everything back to the ending. The worst ones are the ones that give all the characters amnesia.
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I remember getting the game on release, and beating it in a day or two. I was among the first wave of people to experience the ending, and it wasn't until after the first weekend that I saw the responses really start to flare up. I knew it was coming.

Like you, I wasn't angry at first. I didn't know what to make of it. Given how invested I'd been just ten minutes ago, I mostly felt sort of numb. I didn't feel much of anything. It was surreal. I just sat there for a few quiet moments before getting up, turning the tv off, and going to bed. And with that my love affair with Mass Effect was just sort of over. I don't even like going back and playing the old games. I'm just done with Bioware.
So MUCH so these two. I felt genuinely cheated out of a film with the Holy Grail's ending and the ending to ME3 genuinely hurt. I cannot even play the game after finding out what happens.
Holy Grail ended on a bit of a mess. I'm willing to let it go, though, since they redeemed themselves with the genius ending to Life of Brian. One of my favorite film endings ever.
The sad truth of Holy Grail is they ran out of money for the ending, so they patched in the police subplot to build up the anti-climax. I was disappointed in it the first time too but I think subsequent viewings helped improve my feelings on it.
That makes sense. Apparently the only reason they finished Life of Brian was because one of their wealthy contacts gave them a million dollars. In their words because "I think he just wanted to see it."

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Hmm.

First one would probably be Neon Genesis Evangelion, but I say that only because I watched it very young (I think I was about eight or nine years old when it was airing on SBS). I just had no goddamn idea what I was watching; I thought it was a cool robot show, and then someone's getting mind-raped and someone else gets tentacle-exploded and then everything is drawn in crayon. My parents really shouldn't have been letting me stay up that late.

A few years later I rewatched the series and saw End of Evangelion, and it still puzzled the bejesus out of me, but it didn't prompt that "this is bullshit!" reaction. A lot of the pseudo-philosophical complexity has lost its luster as I got older, but I watched it again a few years ago and it's still a great show. It gets a lot of hype backlash, I think.

Oh! I have another example. The end of the Frozen Throne expansion for Warcraft 3. It just kind of stopped with Arthas mind-melding with the Lich King. I was watching that cinematic and thinking "he's going to throw it off, kill the Lich King or himself or whatever" and then it's just "nope, he's an evil necrogod now." That was the first time I remember going "Oh dang, the bad guys won. Oh dang, I am the bad guys!"
It probably doesn't help that a lot of people went into Neon Genesis expecting Transformers, and what they got was James Joyce's Ulysses. I've seriously spent more time analyzing End of Eva then I have any literature book I've read. And I analyze a lot of literature. It makes sense after a while, but the thing is crazy intricate.
 

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It probably doesn't help that a lot of people went into Neon Genesis expecting Transformers, and what they got was James Joyce's Ulysses. I've seriously spent more time analyzing End of Eva then I have any literature book I've read. And I analyze a lot of literature. It makes sense after a while, but the thing is crazy intricate.
I actually think if you go into Evangelion expecting anything other than a mecha series, it loses its punch. I've spoken to a lot of anti-fans who were told to watch it because it's amazing and deep, went and watched it, and went "meh?"

If you go into it with an awareness of 80s-90s mecha anime cliches, it's a brilliant deconstruction of the genre. If you go into it expecting Being and Time and what you got instead was the illegitimate Japanese love-child of Finnegans Wake and the Book of Revelation, you might be let down.

Finding "X meets Y" analogies for Evangelion is actually kind of fun. It's...Gundam as written by Sigmund Freud! It's...Oedipus Rex meets Mazinger Z! It's...a nativity play, with giant robots! It's...Hamlet piloting an Imperial Titan!
 

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Fox12 said:
It probably doesn't help that a lot of people went into Neon Genesis expecting Transformers, and what they got was James Joyce's Ulysses. I've seriously spent more time analyzing End of Eva then I have any literature book I've read. And I analyze a lot of literature. It makes sense after a while, but the thing is crazy intricate.
I actually think if you go into Evangelion expecting anything other than a mecha series, it loses its punch. I've spoken to a lot of anti-fans who were told to watch it because it's amazing and deep, went and watched it, and went "meh?"

If you go into it with an awareness of 80s-90s mecha anime cliches, it's a brilliant deconstruction of the genre. If you go into it expecting Being and Time and what you got instead was the illegitimate Japanese love-child of Finnegans Wake and the Book of Revelation, you might be let down.

Finding "X meets Y" analogies for Evangelion is actually kind of fun. It's...Gundam as written by Sigmund Freud! It's...Oedipus Rex meets Mazinger Z! It's...a nativity play, with giant robots! It's...Hamlet piloting an Imperial Titan!
All of those sound awesome. How could you be let down by the love child of Finnegan's Wake and the Book of Revelations? Even if it isn't good, it's sure to be interesting.

I agree, though. It's better to be pleasantly surprised. I think it was designed to be that way the first time it's watched.
 

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Its just because it was 2 really bad experiences... but I hate when things have gone on too long and end. The worst endings for me are Babylon 5 which went a season too long and X-Files which went 3 or 4 seasons too long. You can't overstay your welcome and go out well. Fringe went about 3 seasons too long, Dexter at least a season too long, Lost at least a season too long... the things they have in common 1: went on too long and 2: had what were generally considered bad endings. Go further back, St. Elsewhere... ditto. Basically, tell your story and then end it. That's the only way to do it right. Again maybe its just me but the anime I like... 12 to 25 or so episodes. Anime I'm 50-50 on, anime with 25 to 50 or so episodes. Anime I hate or don't even bother with, anime with 50 or more episodes. Just tell a story. And then end.
 

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Kyrian007 said:
Its just because it was 2 really bad experiences... but I hate when things have gone on too long and end. The worst endings for me are Babylon 5 which went a season too long.
Problem with B5 was it was planed for five seasons, then the network made it clear they were only going to get four, so they crammed all the important stuff into season four.... then they were told they were getting season 5 after all, which meant they were left filling out a whole season with all the meat of it already used up.

The final episode was fantastic though.
 

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I can't remember the title, but it was a warhammer fantasy short story that is set up as 'kid meets cute elf girl, they flirt, cute elf girl gets kidnapped by horrible monster, kid heads out to rescue her' story which is pretty note for note on the cliche, except because this is warhammer and everything is Grimdark, by the time the evil monster is defeated the elf girls been killed and eaten, and the kid realises everything's grimdark and he has to be a stoic badass and...

I can take bleak endings (heck, about the only positive think I will say about MD Geist is the ending is jaw dropping in its bleakness, but still make sense) but it didn't really earn it. Just Grimdark for Grimdarks sake (and I really don't like the whole disposable woman cliche, even back then)
Ever read Drachenfells, that was a good one - I liked the ending of that one - http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/576834.Drachenfels_Warhammer_

Dexter's ending annoyed me. Greatly.
 

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Anything by David Cage. Actually, I can't think of the first, there are seas of untold games, films, stories that have shit endins. Loved the ending to the Myst film, that was a true "aw hell no!" ending. No matter how bad you think things are, they can always get worse. No film has dared that particular idea before as far as I'm aware. The ninja turtles Michael bay remake had some cringeworthy boss fight with terrible costume and choreography, but still not first. I think the whole matrix original film bullshit of "love brings people back from the dead by dramatic kissing" kind of shat on any good will at the time. But then I watched Steven seagull movies before that and am pretty sure my subconscious is currently blocking all their terrible endings.
 

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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. I absolutely hate the way that show ended. It was out of nowhere and completely at odds to the previous tone of the series. It was like getting a delicious three course meal and at the end when the waiter asks if everything was satisfactory he pours a bottle of cheap wine over you. Utterly frustrating and a great way to ruin the whole experience along with a nice suit.
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Yeah, but go where? Even as little kids we understood that pool shouldn't be an inconvenience to a god, because that's why Hercules got out literally a few seconds earlier.
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You do recall that the difference between the two was that Hercules wasn't being dragged into the depths by the damned souls that Hades had pissed off right?
 

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bastardofmelbourne said:
Fox12 said:
It probably doesn't help that a lot of people went into Neon Genesis expecting Transformers, and what they got was James Joyce's Ulysses. I've seriously spent more time analyzing End of Eva then I have any literature book I've read. And I analyze a lot of literature. It makes sense after a while, but the thing is crazy intricate.
I actually think if you go into Evangelion expecting anything other than a mecha series, it loses its punch. I've spoken to a lot of anti-fans who were told to watch it because it's amazing and deep, went and watched it, and went "meh?"

If you go into it with an awareness of 80s-90s mecha anime cliches, it's a brilliant deconstruction of the genre. If you go into it expecting Being and Time and what you got instead was the illegitimate Japanese love-child of Finnegans Wake and the Book of Revelation, you might be let down.

Finding "X meets Y" analogies for Evangelion is actually kind of fun. It's...Gundam as written by Sigmund Freud! It's...Oedipus Rex meets Mazinger Z! It's...a nativity play, with giant robots! It's...Hamlet piloting an Imperial Titan!
I was super lucky with Evangelion in that I saw it on its initial broadcast in Australia, and aside from the trailers on SBS I had no hype. I was probably part of the problem after it was finished the first time since it was a big shift to what I was used to from animation when I was 13. That said my love has led me to rewatch it a few times and luckily for me instead of hating it I still love it but for totally different reasons. And when I tell anyone to watch it, I generally say that "I can't say if you'll like it or not, but it will be memorable if you get all the way through".

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Kyrian007 said:
Its just because it was 2 really bad experiences... but I hate when things have gone on too long and end. The worst endings for me are Babylon 5 which went a season too long.
Problem with B5 was it was planed for five seasons, then the network made it clear they were only going to get four, so they crammed all the important stuff into season four.... then they were told they were getting season 5 after all, which meant they were left filling out a whole season with all the meat of it already used up.

The final episode was fantastic though.
Sleeping in Light is one of the most perfect endings to a television show ever produced. And the beauty of it is, you can skip right to it after the end of Season 4 (which is what it was meant to be anyway) without having to suffer through Byron, that fucking twat or the almost total ruination of Lyta Alexander. Thank God for Londo and G'Kar who manfully try to elevate proceedings at every turn though.
 

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I hate to be the guy going after easy targets, but yeah. The original Mass Effect 3 ending pissed me off. Not as much as some, and the EC ending did fix a lot of my problems with the ending to go from "terrible" to "eh", but man, that original ending...
to be honest my initial reaction was along the lines of checking to see what had happened because my game had obviously glitched and i was missing a lot of cut scenes, etc

but the first time i actually went WTF over an ending was the original syndicate, you get an amazing mood setting intro cut scene, fight your way through 50 missions to world domination and for your trouble you get.. the credits
 

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The ending to id's much overhyped Rage. I was already fed up with the fact that 95% of the game's focus was on looking pretty whilst lacking in content to a near offensive degree, but that anticlimactic ending (a couple waves of standard enemy fodder followed by a button push to set off the end cutscene) was little more than the devs shaking the last bit of piss out their dick and onto my face. It was a polished turd of a game with a just plain shit ending.

And Battlefield 4 in general. I know the multiplayer is probably great (now,) but I game primarily for single player experiences, and as buggy as the multiplayer was for MONTHS after launch, it was an even bigger insult to experience the piss-poor excuse for an single player campaign from such a big AAA publisher and developer. Writing sucked, AI sucked, pacing sucked; it was basically just a bunch of set-piece moments strung together with outdated ?go here and kill all the mens? gameplay and AI partners hollering the protagonist?s name every 14 seconds for 5 hours.
 

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When I beat Metal Gear Solid 2, and realized that the team behind that game were completely batfucking insane. That they were so far up their own asses that they had no idea about what narrative structure is at all, and just spewed crazy all over the game and then shipped it out to the world to consume.
 

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MiskWisk said:
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. I absolutely hate the way that show ended. It was out of nowhere and completely at odds to the previous tone of the series. It was like getting a delicious three course meal and at the end when the waiter asks if everything was satisfactory he pours a bottle of cheap wine over you. Utterly frustrating and a great way to ruin the whole experience along with a nice suit.
That's what stopped me from buying the box set after seeing it on the Sci-Fi channel. It's like the writer of Evangelion (I know he's mentally better now) stepped in, threw all the writers out of the room and locked himself in while having a bomb strapped on to him.

I can't think of a first, but I would have to guess A Wind Named Amnesia. It was cynical, writer(s) were up their own asses fuck humanity type ending. If you need more info, look no further and watch Bennett the Sage, he summed my feeling really well when I saw it back when I was 15 in 2005.

Shaman King (manga version) had a similar ending, and made me stop reading manga More so shounen manga, but I felt no effort to read any manga no matter how good it is. Even more so if the series goes on long just for money purposes and the story just trudges along not advancing in any way. in general. The fact there was a 5 year hiatus, only to get a fuck you of an ending left a horrible taste in my mouth. I don't know what made the author become misanthropic, but go fuck yourself buddy. I am not sympathizing wih, liking, nor showing any respect for your boy-toy overpowered villain who gets a way with murdering over thousands of people. The only punishment he got was a slap and some embarrassment from his mother.

The ending to Viewtiful Joe 2 irked me a bit, because we never got a VJ 3. Before anyone starts, Double Trouble on the DS does not count. While a good game, VJ 2 ended on a sequel hook, so we never find out where the mysterious black film came from. Capcom disbanded Clover Studios, and the rest was history.

Other mentions are Halloween 2 (Remake, both cuts), Blade Runner (Theatrical Cut), TMNT II: Secret of the Ooze, Vanquish, Devil May Cry 2 & DmC: Wuboot, Streets of Rage 3 (US version on Easy Mode [the Japanese's Normal Mode])and Ninja Warriors (SNES).
 

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For me it was Xenoblade Chronicles X. I don't know about the rest of you but that game had a sort of quality arc: The game seemed to get better the closer you got to getting your Mech, it plateaued a bit before raising up until you get the flight mods for your mechs. Then it seems like after that point the plot just gets...weird. By the end I was happy for the game to be over but the post credits scene just made me feel like the whole game was a waste of time.

Halo 2 was another massively bullshit ending but apparently Halo 5 ends in more or less the same way. Not sure if it has a cliff-hanger like 2 but it still ends with you playing as someone who isn't Master Chief.

The VERY FIRST time I had that feeling though...Blair Witch Project. My experience with that movie is being about 10 or 11 when it launched in theaters. My Dad rented the movie and I watched about 15 minutes of it before I started fast-forwarding it. I got to the end and watched the house bits and that was just it. I tried re-watching Blair Witch but I just can't get into it. It's like The Road to me: Nothing happens, I disengage then I get annoyed when they start screaming names and how "fucking scared" they are. Even now people talk about how great that movie is but to me it's like Duke Nukem Forever; There's an absurd amount of build-up towards something that seems like it'll never actually happen...then the thing happens and it's utterly underwhelming. Say what you want about Blair Witch 2, at least stuff happens in it.
 

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Oh, I got another one! The Sopranos. that ending could have been made out of nearly ANY other moment in the series. When I first saw it I thought it was utter crap.

Also, Serenity. I was enjoying the (more) subtle stories in Firefly. The film felt like a stupid club upside the head.
 

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The final Harry Potter novel, just felt like it shit the bed and then the epilogue happened. Bother. That. Nonsense.
 
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When Ash beat Brock by setting off the sprinklers and then used the water to electrocute Onix. Even at my young age, I thought it was bullshit. Especially since Brock had just decided to be merciful, so that Pikachu wouldn't be hurt. Looking back, you can see how shitty of a trainer Ash is throughout the series, but as a young kid, this was the first time something like that stood out to me.
I haven't seen that show in years, but I still remember two things - the first with the fight vs Lieutenant Surge where Pikachu somehow stood on it's tail to do *insert badly written explanation here* and not get hurt by Raichu's attacks, and the second being "hit the horn, Pikachu!" against a Ryhorn. I can't remember if Ash had Squirtle by that point or not so I can't say whether or not he could have called out Squirtle for the type advantage, but even then, that was really stupid.
 

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I'm not sure about the first time, but the Prestige got a fairly loud bullshit reaction from me. After expecting some kind of fiendishly clever explanation for how Hugh Jackman's teleportation trick worked, the film just resorts to an actual teleportation machine.
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It is a cloning machine, not a teleportation machine. He had been literally killing himself by drowning (pure agony), just to one-up Bale, and become famous. It doesn't teleport him at all.
It teleports the clone into an empty box though. The real issue is that it's a ridiculous device in a very serious film about plausible illusions.

I mean, Hugh Jackson doesn't even need to kill himself. Once he's got one clone, he could just do the trick the same way as Bale.
He can't do what Bale did. He has to do magic that's BETTER than Bales. If he does the same as Bale, the audience won't be impressed, they want the bigger better show. The ability to appear anywhere in the theatre means he truly can do the impossible and impress them with something

It teleports one of the TWO of them into a box filled with water, with a locked lid that cannot be opened from the inside, so that they can drown.

I "think" you may have missed the point of the whole movie and the moral implications/sacrifice that it talks about during the entire beginning to be a world class magician.

Let alone that the sheer drive of vengeance/jealously mingled with the desire for power/to be the best magician in the world between Bale and Jackman makes Jackman actually develop Quantum clone tech through Tesla. Impractical teleporation as there are two of you. That he was willing to be one of the two Jackman's who drowns horribly each night to be "the best" and stick it to Bale. Let alone that he then sets up Bale for a fall when Bale visits the stage to learn the secret and is arrested with the drowned body.

I think the machine, while fantastical, isn't that outrageous. I liked that it's Tesla they use to build it. With all the mystery and some of the claims he said he could do, I can suspend my disbelief that the machine is built.

It's ending is REALLY, REALLY dark... Jackman should have listened to Tesla (wonderful David Bowie) and destroyed it. Tesla realised the awful implications. Great movie, but not a happy one at all.