The Walking Dead Episode 5: No time Left. Your thoughts? [SPOILERS]
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He traded supplies the group needed for their continued survival to the bandits for "protection". Many members of the group, most particularly Lily, viewed this as a betrayal. Ben knew they would view it as a betrayal, which is why he did it without telling anyone. That's pretty close to the literal definition of selling someone out. You can argue Ben had good intentions, but this was Ben's cowardice manifesting itself in a particularly damaging way. He was indirectly responsible for Carley, Katjja and Duck's deaths, and quite directly responsible for Charles' death.charge52 said:
oh man. oh freakin man. this game. this game is one of my favorite games ever, so amazing! episode 2 made me come close to throwing up, and episode 5 is leaving me in a depressed heap of tears. after i let clemy off me and told her to keep her hair short, and remember me, i cried all the way through the credits. i was about to shut the game when i saw.. clem? i froze in my chair and stood with blank eyes at what was happening. what.. the...fuuuuuuu. WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE? WHY DIDNT SHE GO TO THE TRAIN? AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH come on telltale, geez. that night i was up 2 hours thinking about who those people were, omid and christa? cant be, they would have been at the train. right? who is it? But this morning i had an appiphany while showering. telltale has confirmed that a season two... sooo what if one of those people are the new protagonist? hoolly sheeet! i realy hope that this is right, but i dont want clemy to have the same bond as she did with lee, that would make it kinda dumb. But i beliave in telltales abilities at being heartless and yet still appeasing to fans at the same time. The other idea i would like to happen is maybe playing as clemy? its probably not going to happen, but it would be cool. although it would take away that aspect of the game were your maternal instinct kicks in and you parent the crap out of it. just my ideas, if you have any thoughts about the after credits on ep 5 PLEEASE please reply.
Too short and too many implausible things. Aside from that, it was pretty good. The writing is always great, as are the characters. Definitely my game of the year overall.
None of these ruined it, but they didn't make a whole lot of sense really.
Again. This doesn't ruin the game, but it does make little point in replaying to see how things turn out differently.
1) The physical activity of Lee if you chose to remove his arm. Some of those things would be hard enough to do as a healthy young adult, let alone a severely injured guy who is not on any pain medication (he would have hit his arm several times which would have been agonising).
2) Almost every time that somebody had to jump or climb, none of them moved to help each other. They all let each other climb up on their own. Considering the heights they were at, that's just insane. You'd be nearby to give them a helping hand and drag them up.
3) It would be impossible for a nine year old girl of Clementine's size to drag somebody Lee's size and weight into that building, simply impossible. It'd be hard enough for an average grown adult, especially as it'd be dead weight.
2) Almost every time that somebody had to jump or climb, none of them moved to help each other. They all let each other climb up on their own. Considering the heights they were at, that's just insane. You'd be nearby to give them a helping hand and drag them up.
3) It would be impossible for a nine year old girl of Clementine's size to drag somebody Lee's size and weight into that building, simply impossible. It'd be hard enough for an average grown adult, especially as it'd be dead weight.
None of these ruined it, but they didn't make a whole lot of sense really.
I think this is the other problem.Glasgow said:
Knowing that what you do tends to lead to the same thing happening each time tends to suck any replay value out of the game. Saving one person just means they die later anyway. If they are a choice over another person, they will die at the same point later, regardless of which one you saved.
Again. This doesn't ruin the game, but it does make little point in replaying to see how things turn out differently.
Just a correction, he didn't trade supplies for protection, he traded some of Lilly's medicine(which I doubt she needed), and he traded it so that the bandits would stop attacking them(which can be interpreted as protecting I guess). In reality regardless of what he had done, the bandits would have broken the groups defenses eventually, and probably before Kenny fixed the RV. The most danger he put anyone in would be the fact that he wasn't paying attention on guard because he was convinced the bandits would leave them alone.BloatedGuppy said:
You can say he sold you out, but attempting to save the group isn't really something worth dropping off a tower and letting him get turned into a walker(which I remind you was his greatest fear).
I couldnt make Clementine shoot me, I kept myself in denial throughout the entire ending stretch!
"I can't die, we will be together, like family!"
"I am sure the arm-cutting worked, the loss of blood and physical toll is what is making me weaker, not the bite!"
Just because we didn't see Lee die (yes I know he fainted near the end but he was just exhausted...), I will stay in this state of denial until we ever see Lee's corpse, or his walker form in the later seaspns.
One question though, what happens if you let Omid and Christa cross the dangerous sign first, before Lee decides to go on a rampage?
"I can't die, we will be together, like family!"
"I am sure the arm-cutting worked, the loss of blood and physical toll is what is making me weaker, not the bite!"
Just because we didn't see Lee die (yes I know he fainted near the end but he was just exhausted...), I will stay in this state of denial until we ever see Lee's corpse, or his walker form in the later seaspns.
One question though, what happens if you let Omid and Christa cross the dangerous sign first, before Lee decides to go on a rampage?
This is one of the two pieces of interactive fiction that have ever caused me to seriously break down into a blubbering mass of tears and I have fuck all shame admitting it.
Well done Telltale, I await Season 2 eagerly.
Well done Telltale, I await Season 2 eagerly.
i wrote up a response to this but i decided why even bother. it wont matter anyways.charge52 said:
Ben didn't do it to help them. If he had, then I would have spared him because as it was, the bandits could have overrun the camp at any time but only didn't because they were getting supplies. So the camp being overrun was a foregone conclusion either way.charge52 said:
But Ben did it because the bandits claimed they had his friend, and if he wanted his friend back, then he'd have to steal the supplies for them. For that, he died because he put the life of one person that he knew probably wasn't alive above the lives of everyone else in the camp.
How did him giving bandits supplies put their life on the line? His deal, whether it was his intention or not, was the only reason the bandit's weren't raiding the camp. Hell, when the bandit's did raid, they said it was because they backed out of the deal, and the only deal made was between them and Ben. Not to mention, how the hell is trying to save a friend a crime punishable by death? Hell, it's kind of expected that Ben would put the life of a friend over the lives of the group, because the only act of kindness the whole group has given him was if Lee gave him food. That's it. Other than that, to him we're just some people with food to spare for a kid. Now tell me, who do you expect him to care about more, a friend, or members of a group that hate him.Kopikatsu said:
Oh, and if you want to change it to "but he caused the raid that killed D&k and D/C", don't bother. Because it was Lilly's fault that D&K died. The bandit leader was about to negotiate with Lee when she shot him, which attracted the walkers that bit Duck.
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Also I should mention that the supplies he gave the bandit's were from Lilly's secret stash. He gave them supplies most of the group didn't even know they had. He didn't give the bandit's vital supplies, he gave them drugs Lilly shouldn't have had. So don't give me that stupid "He gave them supplies the group needed" shit, because it simply isn't true.
I bought the entire set of episodes last week, the day before ep5 came out. Right up until the end of ep4 I was thinking this is going to end with a decision where either Lee or Clem gets to live.
As a game it sucked pretty hard but as a piece of interactive story telling it was amazing.
Then Lee gets bitten right at the end of ep4 and right then and there I knew it was over, right through ep5 I knew by the end Lee was gonna be dead or a walker but despite this it didn't mean that last scene with Clem and Lee had any less impact. I chose to let Clem end it for Lee. Saying that how tragic was it when Lee and Clem were trying to escape and Clem turns and sees her mother as a walker only for her to then have to kill her adopted father a few moments later to stop him from becoming the same thing?
As a game it sucked pretty hard but as a piece of interactive story telling it was amazing.
They didn't have unlimited supplies, and Ben was sneaking off with what Lee and Kenny had been risking their lives for weeks. The fact that the Bandits would have overtaken the camp anyway just makes it worse because the scenario would have played out the same, just they would have been better off since they would have had all the supplies they'd gathered instead of just what was left over. Lilly said very clearly that her own stash was the best medicine that they had. Just because she was keeping them separate doesn't mean that she was hoarding it all. Not that it matters much either way.charge52 said:
It doesn't matter how Ben felt about the situation, the group was the only thing that was keeping him alive, and he betrayed them based on what was obviously a lie. He showed that he didn't care about them, so I don't see why I should care about him. Honestly, I wanted to leave his ass with Lilly on the side of the road but the game wouldn't let me (Actually, I was kind of pissed that the game didn't let me wrestle the gun away from Lilly and then shoot her). He was a danger to have around. There is no such thing as second chances during an apocalypse.
I didn't like it. The plot implausibilities just piled on and took me out of the experience. Also, when Episode 3 was coming out I made another save file so I could go through making different decisions and see the different results. However, doing so exposed how shallow it really was. Your decisions really do not matter. You might get slightly different dialogue but that's it. The differences all railroad out sooner or later. It doesn't matter who you save and how you treat everyone. It all ends up the same. And when the only real gameplay element there is besides just walking places is making decisions, having the choices not matter was a death knell for me, because once the curtain is lifted it colors your perceptions of it. It's hard me to be impressed by good story in a game when the gameplay contribution is no minimal. It's basically a movie where you choose to walk around a bit and sometimes hit a button. I'd be okay with this to an extent, but the events leading up to the admittedly effective ending were so dumb that it ruined it for me.