The War Z releases. Receives immediate hate and accusations of fraud.

[Rawne1980]

Stop it. The fact that your even defending this travesty is absurd.

Where the fuck did I defend War Z?

Point out the exact part in my post where I defended War Z ... go on, i'll wait.


No, nothing?

Didn't think so....

What I did was nit pick your argument about something being free which, while the mod is, you can't play it without owning ArmA 2 which not everyone who plays DayZ did before the mod came out (in fact DayZ increased ArmA 2 sales by a pretty large margin).

WarZ is an absolute fucking shambles and I can't see it lasting longer than 6 months.

But thanks for linking that vid, I heard TB was doing it and i've been waiting all day to watch the bugger.

 

[Windcaler]

The developers should be ashamed for releasing such a game and claiming it was a finished product. I could understand if they took the minecraft route and made people buy into an alpha/beta before releasing the final product for more money but thats not what happened. Thats not even mentioning the double whammy scam of forcing people to pay and having microtransactions on top of it

Valve should also be ashamed for not testing games like this before they allow it to go on their service. There really should be a screening process to make sure a game works before they allow it on their service but thats not going to happen. They're making 30% off each sale, why should they care about the quality of a game as long as they get their money?

 

[spartandude]

Oh good god ok I'm done. I actually bothered to check the forums and this just went from scam to TOTAL ROBBERY!

Copy and paste LEAGUE OF LEGENDS terms of agreement?

People getting their WarZ and STEAM accounts banned from only speaking about WarZ?

and the worst part of all...THE GUY THAT MADE WARZ, MADE FUCKING BIG RIGS...THE GAME THAT'S CONSIDERED THE WORST GAME EVER MADE! And now apparently, the guy is already running away and is heading to make BIG...FUCKING...RIGS...2! That's right ladies and gentleman, the critically acclaimed worst game ever...is getting a sequel.

This is complete and utter hum bug. What's even worse about this is WarZ is the TOP SELLER on STEAM!

please use more capital letters, i might then understand what your saying

anyway yes valve deserves some blame for not checking what was being advertised (but considering in one of your previous posts you made a false accusation you do come across as some one who just hates valve)

and my god did the devs fuck up, as someone said earlier im surprised they dont work for EA

DOES THIS HELP? I COMPLETELY DISREGARDED PEOPLE THAT CAN'T READ NORMAL SIZED TEXT SO FORGIVE ME IF I DIDN'T USE ENOUGH BIG TEXT.

What's the false accusation? Enlighten me because the only one that seems to be making the false accusation is you.

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Kinda shows also how pathetic STEAM is at times with their cute little "green light" or whatever system. They approve scams like this and don't green lit actual games.

this had nothing to do with green light so either you did no research into the issue or you decided to take an opportunity to rant about steam, and while they are in they wrong here it would be nice if you would make the correct argument as to why they are

and thank you, with capital letters i can easily read the first sentence of your post, it just makes you look silly to be perfectly honest

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

Yet we need Greenlight to get some good games onto steam. It is really shocking that these devs have been allowed to release an unfinished and blatantly misleading game for sale. I sincerely hope steam offers refunds to people who have bought this game and takes this game down from their service as it reflects bad on them too for allowing this on steam in the first place. Perhaps its time Valve to tighten up its policy on what checks are done on games that are on steam to ensure they are sold as advertised and also bring more transparency to the selection criteria that games must meet when applying to steam.

As for developers themselves I am appalled by what appears to be an attempt to make a quick cash grab riding on the coat tails of DayZ's success. But what is the most grating is that they appear to have though they could get away with this by exploiting the no returns policy of steam to sucker people who bought the game before word got out (although most people in the uk and eu will likely be able to get refunds thanks to consumer legislation). Screw these guys.

 

[SlaveNumber23]

Honestly, The War Z is an improvement on DayZ, they are both mechanically terrible games full of bugs and frustrating character movement/controls. I'd love it if some competent developers were to make their own DayZ style game, there is a ton of potential but it is squandered by poor execution.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

Yet we need Greenlight to get some good games onto steam. It is really shocking that these devs have been allowed to release an unfinished and blatantly misleading game for sale. I sincerely hope steam offers refunds to people who have bought this game and takes this game down from their service as it reflects bad on them too for allowing this on steam in the first place. Perhaps its time Valve to tighten up its policy on what checks are done on games that are on steam to ensure they are sold as advertised and also bring more transparency to the selection criteria that games must meet when applying to steam.

As for developers themselves I am appalled by what appears to be an attempt to make a quick cash grab riding on the coat tails of DayZ's success. But what is the most grating is that they appear to have though they could get away with this by exploiting the no returns policy of steam to sucker people who bought the game before word got out (although most people in the uk and eu will likely be able to get refunds thanks to consumer legislation). Screw these guys.

I'm not saying Greenlight should be abolished and thrown away. That would be silly. However, the system should allow the public/gaming community to majority vote on ANY game they deem that is good and should be on STEAM. Not STEAM deciding for themselves what games they deem acceptable (like WarZ apparently) and then throw them up to the STEAM users. In a nutshell, the current Green Light system works as well as the US Government election process.

It really is appalling to see this. And will continue to exist if these sheep- I MEAN people buy these clearly unfishined, buggy mess games like War Z.and Valve/STEAM will do nothing about it because it makes them money.

As I was saying Valve really needs to bring greater transparency to the whole Steam application process, both Greenlight and the traditional method of applying. As when we have things like War Z and that 2012 game get on Steam while games like Mutant Mudds can get rejected makes it look like Valve does not do any basic quality assurance on products on their store, which I feel reflects really badly on the them and digital distribution in general. I would rather have games rejected left, right and centre on steam if they don't meet strict quality requirements, than the current system of apparently throwing darts blindfolded at a board selection process.

 

[Javarock]

On another note, I found this game not off of steam but on the website. Where they said it was an Alpha game. So unlike the people who bought it off steam, and are complaining due to lack of knowledge regarding the game itself, I suppose I can understand.

Other then that, going in to the game thinking it was an Alpha build, I've had a very enjoyable time. I've played with friends and generally enjoyed myself. Sure you die a lot from other players, and there's microtransactions. But none of the Microtransactions are essential to any part of the game...

 

[ohnoitsabear]

What this controversy shows me is that Steam's approval process isn't nearly adequate. Even if Valve doesn't actually make the games or decide what gets put on a game's store page, they are entirely responsible for anything they sell on their service. As such, it should be there responsibility to make sure a game works and doesn't have any false advertising on the store page, and it is there fault if a game gets on Steam that doesn't work and has blatant false advertising.

As I was saying Valve really needs to bring greater transparency to the whole Steam application process, both Greenlight and the traditional method of applying. As when we have things like War Z and that 2012 game get on Steam while games like Mutant Mudds can get rejected makes it look like Valve does not do any basic quality assurance on products on their store, which I feel reflects really badly on the them and digital distribution in general. I would rather have games rejected left, right and centre on steam if they don't meet strict quality requirements, than the current system of apparently throwing darts blindfolded at a board selection process.

Also, this. A developer repeatedly getting emails back from Valve saying that their game wasn't approved and to not ask for an explanation isn't being helped. It would be nice if Valve posted their exact guidelines for what it takes to be on Steam so developers can know what to do to get on the service, and so consumers can know what standards every game on Steam needs to meet. Of course, there is the very real possibility that there isn't exact approval guidelines, which would be a serious problem that would need fixing sooner rather than later.

 

[getoffmycloud]

Stop it. The fact that your even defending this travesty is absurd.

Where the fuck did I defend War Z?

Point out the exact part in my post where I defended War Z ... go on, i'll wait.


No, nothing?

Didn't think so....

What I did was nit pick your argument about something being free which, while the mod is, you can't play it without owning ArmA 2 which not everyone who plays DayZ did before the mod came out (in fact DayZ increased ArmA 2 sales by a pretty large margin).

WarZ is an absolute fucking shambles and I can't see it lasting longer than 6 months.

But thanks for linking that vid, I heard TB was doing it and i've been waiting all day to watch the bugger.

But by using your argument I can say a free to play game like tribes ascend isn't free to play because you have to buy a PC to play it.

 

[Rawne1980]

But by using your argument I can say a free to play game like tribes ascend isn't free to play because you have to buy a PC to play it.

No, that's not even the same train of though.

DayZ cannot be played without ArmA 2 because it is an ArmA 2 mod. Quite a lot of people bought ArmA 2 just to play DayZ.

Saying "well you can't play any F2P game without a PC" is way off. We're talking games and that's bringing in hardware and being slightly pedantic.

 

[major_chaos]

Why? Why do great games like S.P.A.Z and Mutant Mudds get rejected and amazing games like Shante and La-mulana have to claw their way though that godawful greenlight thing but shit like this and revelation 2012 get a free pass? At first with Greenlight and certain things getting rejected I wondered if valve was just greedy and didn't want to waste store page space with anything that wouldn't sell a certain amount, but with what does get through no problem I'm starting to think whoever is in charge of approval is crazy.

 

[getoffmycloud]

Well Tribes ascend can't be played without a PC cause its a PC game so it is the same train of thought. But if you don't want to talk hardware then you still need an operating system to run a free to play game and you would have paid for that.

 

[Javarock]

Well Tribes ascend can't be played without a PC cause its a PC game so it is the same train of thought. But if you don't want to talk hardware then you still need an operating system to run a free to play game and you would have paid for that.

The point your wrong at is this: People will buy ARMA 2 to play DayZ.

The point your arguing is : People will buy a Computer to play Tribes Ascend.

I'm sure someone in the world has done that, however generally people who buy ARMA 2 are paying to play DayZ

Someone who buys a computer to play tribes ascend, is doing the same thing.

 

[Laughing Man]

Love the Steam hate this game is generating. The thing is I don't understand it.

I saw this game pop up yesterday on my Steam advert thingy, I thought ooo that looks like it might be alright. I went to the Store page and read the info there. I then went to google and typed War Z in, 20 minutes later I had read enough about the Alpha and Beta and the 'Full Game' to happily close the page and save myself £9.99

Steam is a store, just because buying games is as easy as clicking one button doesn't mean that Valve should do your thinking for you, if YOU bought this game it is YOUR fault for not finding out more before hand, it's not like the Steam store prevented you from going elsewhere and finding out a bit more about it first, it didn't force you to buy it.

Okay the Steam store misrepresents the game and yeah that's wrong but you're using a service connected to internet their is no excuse for why you didn't spend five minutes looking in to the game, if you bought this game purely on what the Steam page says, you are an idiot.

Hating Steam for this game is stupid, hating Steam because it is being sold on Steam is stupid however given the general backlash what happens next may give legitimacy to the hate, Valve need to either pull the game or rework the page to represent the content of the game and it has to offer a full refund to anyone who bought the game while the incorrect info was up, if they don't do that THEN hate Steam for selling the game but hating it because you stupidly bought it before doing even five seconds of research on something that wasn't Steam, that's idiotic.