The Wii Really Annoys Me Because...

[DraftPickle]

Let Grandma have her bowling? lol The guy at the top saying that stuff about what fun is, whilst proving me semi-wrong, kinda hit the nail on the head. This thread hasnt been too bad actually. A lot of interesting people on the internet. I think that the Wii has the market space to make a true revolution in gaming and they have done it before (no not motion sensing) why not do it again, instead their just piling on craploads of shovelware and Mario.

 

[GuerrillaClock]

You don't see games like Hannah Montana, Bratz or Barbie on the 360 or PS3. Well you do occasionally, but not nearly in the kind of numbers that they exist on the Wii. For every Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes or Lost Wind there are least 100 crappy Kim Possible-type games.

Did you even read my post? The sole reason those crapfest games exist is because the Wii is selling so well. What company wouldn't want to jump on the bandwagon? The best solution to Hannah Montana, is, surprisingly, not to buy it. As I said, the fact lots of shovelware exists on the Wii doesn't detract from the many enjoyable experiences to be had on it. Some of the best gaming experiences this gen have come on the Wii, and no amount of shovelware will change that. You are a glass-half-empty person, aren't you?

Not a fashion statement for the elitists. A statement from the elite.
But frankly, it's my right to hate and I will go against anyone calling me out for it.

"Statement from the elite"? Well, aren't you the cool kid. I forgot Wii haters are in the upper echelon of society while the pond scum sit and play Boom Blox.

And no, I don't dispute your right to hate the Wii, but looking at your posts it seems the only real reason you hate it is that you aren't talented ("elite", perhaps?) enough to code for it. It's like a child hating snakes and ladders because he never wins. Do try to expand your horizons, and grow up.

 

[Lukeje]

Especially considering that it shares most of It's titles with cell-phones.

Most? Source please?

 

[I3uster]

Interesting that I am a raging fanboy when I try to defend the wii, but when i just insult it with things like "It shares most of its titles with cellphones" (dont take that personal, just an example), I am one of the cool elitists who are being completely onjective

wierd huh?

 

[DraftPickle]

Elitism sucks end of. Back to the Wii and how it stacks up against the other two consoles and PC if you wish. Just to broaden it a bit why do "Fanboys" defend their respective consoles so much?

 

[GuerrillaClock]

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Your argument falls spectacularly flat when it is revealed that quite a lot of Wii games (at least, the good ones) have controls that work quite well. This is because some people enjoy taking the hard route in work, sweating over things, overcoming obstacles, and it usually pays off in the end quality of the product. The Wiimote DOES work in the right hands.

I'm not calling you elitist because you hate the Wii, I'm calling you elitist because all your posts imply that you, the Lord Of All Games with your spectacular AAA titles, are somehow better than the rest of us mindless simpletons who actually enjoy the Wii's quality titles.

Now, I have no idea about your budget constraints when designing said AAA games, but good game companies (in fact, this doesn't just apply to game companies) overcome obstacles. Controls don't work for you? Well, others have made them work just fine, so it's your responsibility to produce quality, not the Wii's. A good game was never created easily. If you aren't willing to push yourself or your dev team to overcome such obstacles like any decent developer would then that's your prerogative, but your case smacks of a workman blaming his tools.

 

[carlosvader77]

It's a big market for everyone. Plus, if you love your PS3 or XBox360 why would you care how much the Wii sells? The Wii has it's market, so does the 360 and the PS3. On another note, each console could learn from each other. One example of the potential of the Wii in terms of innovation is Pro Evolution Soccer 2008, I played it on other systems (along with FIFA) and the controls are way better on the Wii. The control you have on your team is something else, it's not just waggling the controller like crazy because the Wii control actually serves a strategic purpose in the game. I think the other consoles should learn from this and add the amazing graphics and sound they already have and como up with the best games.

 

[sicDaniel]

My family got a Wii for christmas, with Sports and some crappy Sonic Racing game, and I think since mid-january no one plays it any more. I cannot stand the Wii-mote racing game controls, they feel totally wrong for me. Tried Mario Kart at a friend´s, same problem. Also my little sister owns me mercilessly at bowling.

I would buy No more Heroes so hard if I wouldn´t live in a bullshit PAL country were people obviously think: well a game that´s about slaughtering people with a lightsabre can do just as well without any blood.
No More Heroes without blood, it´s basically a Sims mod. I hate censorship.

 

[Mr. Fister]

I think it's been stated plenty of times, that the Wii does have a few quality titles. No one is trying to deny this. But I fail to see how you can argue your points when you have no knowledge of how games are created and the counter-points are coming from someone who actually makes video games for living. Like I said before, if almost every company not named Nintendo is having difficulty creating quality titles due to the poorly-implemented controller that has been touted as innovation by so many people who are obviously not in the know, then the problem is the Wii.

Also to refute one of your earlier points. Yes, games with Hannah Montana sell like hotcakes, that doesn't mean they are good games. On the contrary, they are hastily thrown together and no-effort is put into them at all. This is because spoiled yuppie spawn will scream at untold decibels until their embarrassed parents give in and buy the crappy game to shut the little bastards up. If you don't believe me, go to a Toys-R-Us and just look how Hannah Montana and High School Musical have taken over the place. This is called a "Fad". And the Wii is also a "Fad". Which is why people are buying it in droves, because it's the cool thing to have in the house. Just like 15 years ago when all the little pukes were dressing up as Power Rangers. Or 10 years ago when you couldn't move 10 feet without tripping over Pokemon merchandise. Or how about 5 years ago when kids couldn't shut up about Yu-Gi-Oh?

The Wii is a "Fad". In all honesty, it should be a dead fad by now. I don't know why people are still buying it. I guess there's some kind of charm to having a gaming system that you never buy games for because it comes with one game that everyone plays for 2-3 days then the thing gets put up until the holidays because no one is actually using it.

The Wii's problem is not with the controls, as there are games out there that prove they can work well (few though they may be.) It's problem is with developer laziness, which has existed for as long as gaming has been around, but is especially hitting the Wii right now. If you take a look, several small name third-party Wii games fall under the hastily-thrown together minigame collection as a means to make a quick buck. Since the Wii is selling so well, many developers would prefer those kinds of games than spend a large amount of time and resources to make a AAA-quality game that might not sell that well. And yes, this mindset also applies to music, movies, and pretty much any other source of entertainment, so it's not like Nintendo's to blame for it.

I think I may have also explained your second point. Merchandising like that has existed long before video gaming, so once again, you can't really blame Nintendo for other company's greed.

And saying the Wii is a fad just because it sells so well is silly. TV's sell very well, does that make them a fad? What about DVD's? Albums? Porn? If something sells well, it's because it appeals to a large audience. There's not a whole lot you can do about it.

In conclusion, if you don't like the Wii, then sell the one you have and move on. No one's forcing you to choose it over another console. That, and they go for a pretty good price secondhand.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

1. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft does not need all you fan-boys to advertise either negatively or positively because quite frankly their profits they gather from their products speak very clearly for them. I would think the design teams for each one of these systems proabbly finds these conversations amusing.

2. http://www.specialkids.com/my_weblog/2008/09/research-shows-rehabilitation-benefits-of-using-nintendo-wii.html
A teen with cerebral palsy used the Wii sports games software in both standing and sitting positions during and hour to hour and half sessions. This special kid was then tested on improvements to his own control of his body. To read the full journal article unfortunately requires you to shell out $10 and not post any part of it on message boards like this.
Anyway my point is that if the controls are really as bad as all these people say it is, why would medical professionals use this system at all? Even if it is cheap, if the controls aren't accurate then the patients will stop using the system because they'll feel it doesn't work for them.

 

[Aradiel]

Well, I might as well chip in.

This is the kinda of logic that got Obama elected president. It's been said several times that there are critical faults in the Wii's design that make it difficult to make games for. Yet, this has to be construed as a cop-out because it doesn't fall in line with the opinion that the Wii was made by Christ and is above reproach.

However, some games do make good accurate use of the controls - a "fact" which has been mentioned multiple times, but then discounted because it must be fanboyism. You mention that only Nintendo makes good games, yet most of the games that have been used as examples were made by Capcom instead. Wow. Either you were using hyperbole, or just weren't doing your research.

Same with the shovelware arguments. The Wii cannot possibly have bad games, because it's the Wii and it's a gift from God himself.

However, people have not been saying "every game on the Wii is great" - in fact, directly the opposite. Those in support of the Wii have admitted that there is a great degree of shovelware. But, those on the other side of the argument, those who hate the Wii have mainly been saying "the Wii has no good games" which, in the opinions of those who have been defending it, is not the case.

And it can't possibly be a fad because that would assume that it's appeal is lasting and not temporary, which would again fault it's divinity.

For some the appeal is purely temporary, and as has been said before, those people are not being forced to keep their Wiis. They can make a good profit by selling them on to someone else to enjoy for however short a period it will appeal to them. However, in other cases, the appeal does not seem to be temporary. I've had one for over a year, and I regularly play games on it (and not "casual" ones either)

 

[GuerrillaClock]

The logical decision would be to do just like SSBB and not support the Wiimote for those reasons. But what can you do when the client (which gives you your budget) insists that the game must be exclusively supported by the wiimote with no analog option available? You shut up and make another sucky game for the Wii.

Please, come down from your soapbox and look at the argument. No one is disputing that the Wii has more than its' fair share of terrible games with cheap terrible controls. No one is saying the Wii is God's gift to gaming. No one is saying game design is easy. And I never said I knew better than you.

I never claimed to know the ins and outs of commercial game design but I know a good game from a bad one, and I can tell when something works or doesn't work. No matter how frustrating it may be for you devs, IT CAN BE MADE TO WORK WELL, even if this is not always the case! The likes of Gabe Newell and Will Wright have openly praised what the Wii brings to the table, and I'll be damned if I argue with either of them. If the Wii didn't work for you, too bad, but others have managed it fine so consider that before you lay on the blanket criticism.

So while you think a game you're playing is good, I can explain to you exactly why it sucks.

Thing is mate, I've been gaming since I first played Impossible Mission on the C64. I know when I'm having fun, and when I'm playing a good, well-made game, and don't try to tell me otherwise.

 

[paiged]

I own a wii and I'm about to own my second 360 (if the box ever gets here so I can send out my first one, dammit) and I still like the 360 better.

BUT, I mostly play by myself, the wii is much more fun if you have people over (at least in my case, being that 99% of my friends aren't gamers and would choose to play bejeweled or uno over all of the actual games I own). It's not as fun to flail around like an idiot when no one is watching, I guess. Even Carnival games isn't bad if you have a few friends around, nothing better to do, and the right amount of alcohol...

Seriously, Mario Galaxy and Zelda were pretty fun for me though. And I hear No More Heroes is good, and my sister will play MySims for hours on end..It's all about personal preference.