These are the rules that the actual pros play MW2 by

[Ashbax]

They might as well just play css if they just want good'ol shooting only action

They'd just find something else to complain about. Like the AWP. Though I understand that - All you need to do to win CSS is buy an AWP, fire in the general direction of the enemy a few times and BAM enemy team dead.

 

[DracoSuave]

Whiney pros forbid weapons they can't handle.

Real pros defeat them.

Why have limits right?

This is how real pros play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7SRGmp2gE

There's a difference between exploiting a glitch, i.e., an unintended effect outside the rules of the game, and using rules that -are- within the game.

That's like saying that in poker, it's okay to let your friend whisper the cards your opponent is holding in your ear if he accidentally sees them as a rebuttal to someone who says that it's okay to go all-in in no-limit before the flop.

The two are not analogous.

All that said, if 1 layout, or maybe 2 or 3 were broken or degenerate, then you'd have a point in banning them from professional play. If 1/3 of your options are considered to be 'degenerate', however, and those 'degenerate' options are counter and balanced towards each other, than congratulations, you've just discovered -a healthy metagame.-

2/3 of the available options can be suboptimal, but it's not your job as a pro to defend those 2/3s options. The game itself probably exists in that 'noobish' 1/3, and -that- is where the competition should lie.

The way I see it, you're refusing to play the -actual game as intended- and insisting others play by your 'rules' rather than the game as designed. By banning 1/3 of the metagame, you're just trying to eliminate the problems you yourself have not got the solutions for, just so that you can apply your 'skill.' What you haven't realized is that your 'skill' is not truly applicable to this game... it applies to some made up game the rest of the world isn't playing.

Scrub is a player of a competitive videogame who adamantly believes that his or her "house rules" should apply to everyone to promote his or her view of "fair play". If a scrub sees a move or strategy he doesn't like (or can't beat), he bans it (if only in his own mind), and complains that anyone who uses it is cheap.

Yep, that's right, he's the exact opposite of the Stop Having Fun Guy.

...But just as annoying.

The mistake the Scrub often makes is making up rules too soon. The Metagame can often turn an apparent imbalance on its head. A lower tier character can become a higher tier one, or vice versa. Or something that seemed initially very unbalanced can be countered with time and effort at learning the tactic. The Scrub circumvents this by simply banning the practice without making a good faith effort in actually getting around it with the in-game rules.

The Scrub will often consider the tactics that he bans "Game Breakers". However, what constitutes a Game Breaker varies from person to person. Within a particular skill level, a game can be broken in that a simple repetitive tactic can lead to success. A more skilled player could stop it, but if it requires a great deal more skill to stop the tactic than to perform it, then it can easily appear to be a Game Breaker.

What ultimately makes the Scrub undesirable isn't the rulesetting; it is the attitude. What distinguishes the Scrub from someone who is simply trying to make their game fun without having to invest hugely into skill progression is that the Scrub believes that his way is the only proper way to play the game.

You sir, are no 'pro.' You sir, are a scrub.

 

[soulasylum85]

yea i really never use the things that they ban, and this is the first time ive seen this list.

 

[Contextualizer]

@DracoSuave: You don't get it. When these people play with no rules on as they normally do in pubbing (and they say they do so and enjoy doing so), they are the ones who are destroying the other team with grenade launchers from across the map and akimbo shotguns.

It just sounds like you're massively insecure about your own capabilities; not the capabilities of some of the most skilled people in the game.

And why are you calling me a scrub/not pro? What does this have to do with me?

 

[DracoSuave]

You don't get it. When these people play with no rules on as they normally do in pubbing (and they say they do so and enjoy doing so), they are the ones who are destroying the other team with grenade launchers from across the map and akimbo shotguns.

It just sounds like you're massively insecure about your own capabilities; not the capabilities of some of the most skilled people in the game.

And why are you calling me a scrub/not pro? What does this have to do with me?

I'm not insecure about anything, I'm just pointing out something... and reading the thread it's attached to... well it gives me an interesting insight into this.

See, from what I gather, Grenade Launchers answer the Riot Shield Problem. Riot Shield answers the Shotgun problem.... seems like the stuff being banned all answer other stuff being banned.


It therefore seems to me that some people have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game, and are butthurt that their leet shooter skillz get defeated by tactics and techniques that have counters the 'leet' are unwilling to use because 'it's noob.'

In other words, arrogance.

Mind you, this is a proffesional gamer, who has made 500 whole dollars playing this game, so I can't really judge.

By the way... if your winning bank roll is 500 dollars, you're not considered a pro in most sports or games.

Just sayin'.


Mind you, I'm keeping an open mind. It could also be a terribly balanced game not intended for any real sport above a casual level, and therefore making it into one is inherently an act of fail.

So, scrub or fail. But I can't really judge.


However, if the game IS balanced around these tactics, then I introduce to you the idea, that a mass banning indicates not that you are skilled, but that you are not playing to win. [http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html]

Here's an excerpt that I think applies nicely.

The scrub has still more crutches. He talks a great deal about ?skill? and how he has skill whereas other players?very much including the ones who beat him flat out?do not have skill. The confusion here is what ?skill? actually is. In Street Fighter, scrubs often cling to combos as a measure of skill. A combo is a sequence of moves that is unblockable if the first move hits. Combos can be very elaborate and very difficult to pull off. But single moves can also take ?skill,? according to the scrub. The ?dragon punch? or ?uppercut? in Street Fighter is performed by holding the joystick toward the opponent, then down, then diagonally down and toward as the player presses a punch button. This movement must be completed within a fraction of a second, and though there is leeway, it must be executed fairly accurately. Ask any scrub and they will tell you that a dragon punch is a ?skill move.?

I once played a scrub who was actually quite good. That is, he knew the rules of the game well, he knew the character matchups well, and he knew what to do in most situations. But his web of mental rules kept him from truly playing to win. He cried cheap as I beat him with ?no skill moves? while he performed many difficult dragon punches. He cried cheap when I threw him five times in a row asking, ?Is that all you know how to do? Throw?? I gave him the best advice he could ever hear. I told him, ?Play to win, not to do ?difficult moves.?? This was a big moment in that scrub?s life. He could either ignore his losses and continue living in his mental prison or analyze why he lost, shed his rules, and reach the next level of play.

So... are you 'pros' playing to prove you are good at generic shooter skills, or are you playing to prove you are good at MW2?

If it's the latter, then you should play that game, and get good at it, and learn how to counter the cheap stuff.

 

[Lowbreed]

Uh, to every one here saying "Fox only final destination", I thoroughly enjoyed melee (and brawl now), and while I always have fun items on, any map matches, on melee if I did play another skilled player taking out the frustrating factor of luck actually made the game more fun you know. Map / character doesn't really matter though.

And, I can see the reasoning behind banning killstreaks (though I haven't read the post) and most of every thing. Can't see why they don't ban akimbo things? D: I don't understand why bling is banned? Nothing wrong with going silencer + red dot or anything similar...
And banning tactical insertion seems a little unnecessary.

 

[Contextualizer]

See, from what I gather, Grenade Launchers answer the Riot Shield Problem. Riot Shield answers the Shotgun problem.... seems like the stuff being banned all answer other stuff being banned.

Right and that doesn't strike you as anything more than a coincidence?

It therefore seems to me that some people have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game, and are butthurt that their leet shooter skillz get defeated by tactics and techniques that have counters the 'leet' are unwilling to use because 'it's noob.'

Again, you're missing the point. These people aren't the ones who would normally be harmed by any of the things in the first post. They'd probably be the ones wiping the floor with them in pub matches.

Hell, I'm not even that good of a player and I don't have an issue with grenade launchers or akimbo shotguns because I have faster reaction times and better accuracy than most people. But if I wanted to play against someone competitively, it's only fair to do so on a balanced playing field. And I'm not saying for me; I'm saying for them. Because there's nothing sadder than having to kill an akimbo shotgun user over and over again because they just aren't very good at the game.

 

[Trivun]

What ever happened to playing for fun?

Exactly. Besides, if you were a soldier fighting an actual battle then there wouldn't be all those crappy rules, so it's unrealistic anyway. And even then, I play games for fun. If MLG leagues want to use those stupid rules then fine, just don't expect me to be following them if a pro ever decides to join my server...

 

[Contextualizer]

What ever happened to playing for fun?

Exactly. Besides, if you were a soldier fighting an actual battle then there wouldn't be all those crappy rules, so it's unrealistic anyway. And even then, I play games for fun. If MLG leagues want to use those stupid rules then fine, just don't expect me to be following them if a pro ever decides to join my server...

If you were an actual soldier, then there wouldn't be such a thing as a MW2 team deathmatch.

And for the last time, pros don't give a shit about the tournament rules when they aren't playing in a tournament.

Is there anyone else who can't understand this?

 

[Lunar Shadow]

What ever happened to playing for fun?

Exactly. Besides, if you were a soldier fighting an actual battle then there wouldn't be all those crappy rules, so it's unrealistic anyway. And even then, I play games for fun. If MLG leagues want to use those stupid rules then fine, just don't expect me to be following them if a pro ever decides to join my server...

If you were an actual soldier, then there wouldn't be such a thing as a MW2 team deathmatch.

And for the last time, pros don't give a shit about the tournament rules when they aren't playing in a tournament.

Is there anyone else who can't understand this?

Oh, I am pretty sure they understand, they just like seeing an insufferable git get angry.

 

[Contextualizer]

Oh, I am pretty sure they understand, they just like seeing an insufferable git get angry.

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[GrinningManiac]

Cuz real pro's don't play the actual game!

I'm loving the brazen truth to this

Go join the army, you control freaks

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Pros my ass, more like scrubs/shitheads/massive-wankers-that-should-die-because-they-want-to-force-thier-laws-on-me or twats.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

What ever happened to playing for fun?

/Master_Chief
LOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THATS WHAT YUR MUM SED

Sorry, I don't know what came over me then.

 

[Contextualizer]

Pros my ass, more like scrubs/shitheads/massive-wankers-that-should-die-because-they-want-to-force-thier-laws-on-me or twats.

But they have no interest in forcing "their laws" on you. Where did you read that?

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

MW2 "pros" that's good one. The guy should play Counterstrike and see if he still thinks he's pro, not some camp happy spray-fest my little cousin can play.

 

[The DSM]

"Pro" Gamers on every game I have played seems to be massive Eliteists.

If they lose they will just yell "Z0MG you are a noob you used <Insert object/perk here> Pros use .

And have bad god complexes.

 

[chronobreak]

But they have no interest in forcing "their laws" on you. Where did you read that?

I think he is more referencing people that whine when you play online about someone using a pro-pipe, or a shotgun, or whatever the case may be, and complain about it being cheap and calling anyone who uses them names. They may not have the ability to FORCE it on you, but they will go out of their way to make your experience miserable and degrade you for playing how you want to.

 

[Contextualizer]

But they have no interest in forcing "their laws" on you. Where did you read that?

I think he is more referencing people that whine when you play online about someone using a pro-pipe, or a shotgun, or whatever the case may be, and complain about it being cheap and calling anyone who uses them names. They may not have the ability to FORCE it on you, but they will go out of their way to make your experience miserable and degrade you for playing how you want to.

They have as much right to whine about what they think is an unbalance game feature as you do for using a game feature you like.

What happened to the mute function anyway?

 

[IamQ]

What ever happened to playing for fun?

You can still do that.