Things I hope TOR Addresses

[nin_ninja]

I already post this, but it didn't seem to want to show up, so I'll try again.

I know the game has no official release date, and that most of the "story" is being kept under wraps, but after seeing the trailer for Darth Revan and HK-47 I have hopes that some things will be addressed in the story.

1) Did Revan really fall, or was he trying to strengthen the Republic through conflict with them? If you remember from KoTOR 2 (which was Obsidian made), Kreia doubted that Revan really fell. "It was believed by some, including his first Jedi Master Kreia, that he may have turned because he knew about the "true" Sith and sought to prevent a greater evil from being unleashed by willingly submitting himself to the dark side. Yet despite his turn to the dark side, Revan remained focused on his original goal to consolidate the galaxy into a stronger force better capable at defending itself. G0-T0 observed how Revan's strategy was based on a more complex plan than simply destroying all opposition in his path; Revan purposely spared planets that were essential to the Republic's economic and military infrastructure. In order to build a long-lasting Empire in a short span of time, Revan understood that he needed the Republic's overall structure to remain intact so as to avoid building an galactic-spanning empire from total scratch."

2) What happened to Revan, and the Exile, after they left for uncharted space? Revan left to try to stop the "True Sith" (which seemed to have failed horribly) and the Exile went looking for him.

3) I know companions will be around, but will they affect the story, or will they just kinda be meat shields?

4) Can a Republic class fall to the dark side, and can a Sith class join the light side? From what I've seen you can gain Light and Dark side points during missions.

5) What effects will my actions have on the world, and can I redo quests if I don't like the outcome? Issues with this being an MMO.

6) Since this takes place so long after KoTOR 1 and 2, will they retcon all the actions of Revan and the Exile, or just not even mention them?

7) Did the armies Mandalore, HK-47, and Carth raise do anything to help.....at all?

 

[AlternatePFG]

Any of the non-Revan, non-Exile (Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon *shrug*) things probably won't be explained. I believe companions do have their own stories or so I'm told. I'm not really sure about the light side/dark side thing. It would just muddle things a bit, I don't see a light side Sith if the Sith are portrayed as the bad guys maybe I could see say a corrupted Republic guy but eh.

 

[Dr. wonderful]

There is a book coming out this fall that will answer your questions Reavan and The Exile. Everything else I want to know as well.

 

[viranimus]

Well I somewhat doubt your going to find many of the answers you seek, because most of what you are seeking is narrative driven. While the game itself IS narrative driven, the nature of it being an MMO will likely not allow it to investigate these sorts of events fully.

 

[nin_ninja]

There is a book coming out this fall that will answer your questions Reavan and The Exile. Everything else I want to know as well.

Well, I hope that it does, else I'm going to have to scrutinize every single part of Revan's tomb for info.

 

[Crazy Zaul]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon

They have. Non of the story from TSL is in the holocrons story thing.

 

[AlternatePFG]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon

They have. Non of the story from TSL is in the holocrons story thing.

That's rather disappointing, though not surprising.

 

[mike141]

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6) Since this takes place so long after KoTOR 1 and 2, will they retcon all the actions of Revan and the Exile, or just not even mention them?

7) Did the armies Mandalore, HK-47, and Carth raise do anything to help.....at all?

well first i dothnt think they will be tied because the 2 diffrent paths of KoTOR dont relate like for exaple the end of the first one if your dark you fly off to find the "true sith" but if your light you become the hero of the republic and it ends there so if it ties in it will have to be somthing vage so not to confuse the loyal fans second i dont know about mandalore or HK-47 but if your light in the 2nd game you see that carth is admral of the republic fleet(right after you leave telos for the surface when the commander is telling the admral about your escape if your light you see that carth is admril play it if you dont beleve me) so carths army must of done pretty well

 

[JB1528]

I wouldn't expect much, if any reference to the first two KoTOR games.

Dude we talkin about Bioware here. They take their lore VERY seriously.

 

[Coldie]

Only one thing is known about references to the previous games - Revan (The Revan? A Revan?) is involved in the story, at least on the Sith side.

Dark side alliance/light side sith? Definitely yes. However, you cannot change your faction, no matter what your alignment is. It's purely cosmetic (lightsaber colors, some armors).

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Revan fell. He fell just as hard as Jacen, Anakin Skywalker, and many other Sith did. Many of them start out thinking they will not fall, that they're only trying to make the universe a safer, better place. So they take a small step into the Dark side, knowing they have it under control. Then they take another. And another. Before long, they are swallowed up in Dark side and are no different from any other Sith. Revan's fall is no different from Jacen's or Darth Krayt's.

I've always thought that Revan went off to stop the original Sith, because that's the only thing that fits. Sith now is an ideal, but originally they were an actual race; one to be feared. Of course, I could be totally wrong. I wish this wasn't an MMO because I'm curious about the story too, but the MMO just kills it for me.

 

[nin_ninja]

Revan fell. He fell just as hard as Jacen, Anakin Skywalker, and many other Sith did. Many of them start out thinking they will not fall, that they're only trying to make the universe a safer, better place. So they take a small step into the Dark side, knowing they have it under control. Then they take another. And another. Before long, they are swallowed up in Dark side and are no different from any other Sith. Revan's fall is no different from Jacen's or Darth Krayt's.

I've always thought that Revan went off to stop the original Sith, because that's the only thing that fits. Sith now is an ideal, but originally they were an actual race; one to be feared. Of course, I could be totally wrong. I wish this wasn't an MMO because I'm curious about the story too, but the MMO just kills it for me.

I'm going to get the game, but I don't like the idea of paying $15 a month for KoTOR 3, on top of the likely $60 that I'll have to shell out for the game.

I don't like playing with others online, but I guess the single player will just have to be good enough to sustain me.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

1&2) There will be a quest chain for the Sith where you must track down a cult worshipping Revan, which will lead you to finding out his true faith (seriously Bioware, what is it with you guys and making your canonical heroes white males? DER ÜBERMENSCH)

3) Your companions will play a part in your personal story, the one you can play single player, and their role will be comparable to that in other Bioware RPGs.

4) Yes, a Jedi can fall to the dark side and get in deep trouble with the Jedi Order for that, and a Sith can go to the lightside, and also get in trouble if they suck at covering their tracks.

5) Your actions will influence the flow of your personal story like in most other Bioware RPGs, and actions taken in the world story can impact certain quests opening up or being closed off to you depending on choices you made (or wanted to make) in multiplayer.

6) The Exile seems to be largely ignored, but as I said in response to your first question, they will be making some effort to tie up the loose ends that Revan left, which I have mixed feelings about myself. I like an open mystery myself.

 

[Irridium]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon

They have. Non of the story from TSL is in the holocrons story thing.

Well that makes me rather sad...

KoTOR 2 had a great story and damn fine characters. Shame to see them cast out.

Though, wait, since it's in the Star Wars universe, wouldn't George Lucas have the final say as to what is/isn't canon?

 

[LordRoyal]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon

They have. Non of the story from TSL is in the holocrons story thing.

Though, wait, since it's in the Star Wars universe, wouldn't George Lucas have the final say as to what is/isn't canon?

George Lucas didn't write Kotor 1 or 2's story.

I'd be surprised if he even played Kotor. A lot of the writers at Lucasarts decide what is canon when it comes to the Expanded Universe.

 

[strongarm85]

Believe it or not, a lot of your concerns have already been talked about some by the guys at Bioware concerning the game, but you don't follow the game closely you'd probably miss a lot of it.

1) Did Revan really fall, or was he trying to strengthen the Republic through conflict with them? If you remember from KoTOR 2 (which was Obsidian made), Kreia doubted that Revan really fell. "It was believed by some, including his first Jedi Master Kreia, that he may have turned because he knew about the "true" Sith and sought to prevent a greater evil from being unleashed by willingly submitting himself to the dark side. Yet despite his turn to the dark side, Revan remained focused on his original goal to consolidate the galaxy into a stronger force better capable at defending itself. G0-T0 observed how Revan's strategy was based on a more complex plan than simply destroying all opposition in his path; Revan purposely spared planets that were essential to the Republic's economic and military infrastructure. In order to build a long-lasting Empire in a short span of time, Revan understood that he needed the Republic's overall structure to remain intact so as to avoid building an galactic-spanning empire from total scratch."

Exploring the missing gaps of Revan's story is a significant part of the story in Star Wars the Old Republic. There are quests that can be taken on the Empire and Republic sides concerning Revan and his story. Those quest do not overlap though for the most part, and to actually see all of the missing gaps in Revan's story you'll probably have make an Alt.

2) What happened to Revan, and the Exile, after they left for uncharted space? Revan left to try to stop the "True Sith" (which seemed to have failed horribly) and the Exile went looking for him.

Again, this will almost certainly be explained. It is also the subject matter of a Book being published by Drew Karpashen, one of the Princiapal writers of SW:TOR which will be out this November.

3) I know companions will be around, but will they affect the story, or will they just kinda be meat shields?

There hasn't been much talked about Companions, I can tell you that if you have your companion with you they will sometimes take part of conversations. Companions also have quests that can be unlocked with them, and you can talk with them when you're on your ship and in certain designated areas like Cantinas.

Apparently as of Comicon there are major changes being made to companion characters that are just being implemented. The speculation is that you'll be able to create a series of commands for them to follow in given combat situations ala. Dragon Age.

4) Can a Republic class fall to the dark side, and can a Sith class join the light side? From what I've seen you can gain Light and Dark side points during missions.

Yes, a republic character can be dark sided and an empire character can be light sided. The Empire and the Republic are warring Cultures in this game. There are also certain gears that unlock at certain levels of light or dark side. You can actually see a good example of Republic players doing something darksided on the latest Weekly Friday update.

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20110729

5) What effects will my actions have on the world, and can I redo quests if I don't like the outcome? Issues with this being an MMO.

There is no save button. Once you've made a decision in your storyline it wills stick with your character for as long as you ever play the game. You cannot unmake your decisions.

However, I will say that your personal choices reflect your character's own personal story-line. But they wont effect other people's stories. The game does a reasonable job of making you feel like your character is the big damn hero.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigDamnHeroes

6) Since this takes place so long after KoTOR 1 and 2, will they retcon all the actions of Revan and the Exile, or just not even mention them?

Well, as it turns out Lucas Arts touched on this subject several years ago. The established that Revan was Male, the Exile was Female, and both of them had Light Side endings of their respective games. Using that as a guideline you can kind of see how certain events are canon, and other events are non canon.

7) Did the armies Mandalore, HK-47, and Carth raise do anything to help.....at all?

The Mandalorians are prominantly featured in the storylines in game, and the Mandalorians currently have a tenuous deal with the Empire. These are the same Mandalorians that Canderous Ordo gave rise to after he became Mandalore. He is has been dead for some time though, and the mandalorians went a couple hundred years before a new Mandalore was made. That Mandalore swore fealty for the Empire and it is suspected they helped him become Mandalore in the first place. That Mandalore has sense been killed in just the few years prior to the start of the game, and the man that killed him is now the New Mandalore.

Not much has been said about HK-47 or Carth accept to say that HK-47 is personally involved in one of the Flashpoints, and that Carth is at least mentioned in the game.

 

[Irridium]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon

They have. Non of the story from TSL is in the holocrons story thing.

Though, wait, since it's in the Star Wars universe, wouldn't George Lucas have the final say as to what is/isn't canon?

George Lucas didn't write Kotor 1 or 2's story.

I'd be surprised if he even played Kotor. A lot of the writers at Lucasarts decide what is canon when it comes to the Expanded Universe.

I know he didn't write it, but I'm pretty sure he'd still have to approve it. From what I hear of Lucas, he's pretty fond of scrutinizing everything when it comes to Star Wars projects.

 

[2xDouble]

Your questions should be answered in the book, which covers what would have been the story for Knights of the Old Republic 3, except these:

1) Did Revan really fall, or was he trying to strengthen the Republic through conflict with them?

3) I know companions will be around, but will they affect the story, or will they just kinda be meat shields?

4) Can a Republic class fall to the dark side, and can a Sith class join the light side? From what I've seen you can gain Light and Dark side points during missions.

5) What effects will my actions have on the world, and can I redo quests if I don't like the outcome? Issues with this being an MMO.

Yes, Revan fell. Strength through conflict is the way of the Dark Side. That is reinforced by everything Sith troopers say in KotOR I, particularly on Korriban.

Companions will have things to do, depending on their class, and will have equipment packs you can give them. They also have things to say, but whether or not you bring him/her/it doesn't particularly matter in the story, as seen so far.

Yes, both Republic and Empire players can choose to follow either Light or Dark side. Supposedly this affects your story beyond simply consequences of doing nice/mean things.

Your actions will have great effects for you and you alone. For example, NPC's will die and be gone or stick around to help/harass you in your personal instance/ship. There is no indication Story quests are repeatable, except as a new character, but your choices in the critical scenes affect only your story. Say you were partied with someone and they chose to kill an NPC while you chose to save him/her. The other person won the die roll, and the NPC dies. That NPC should still be available to you later as if you had spared him/her.

 

[Belgian_Waffles]

I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare retconned KOTOR 2 out of canon

They have. Non of the story from TSL is in the holocrons story thing.

No they said it was canon, they just said the events of KOTOR2 weren't particularly important to the galaxy as a whole. They will be addressing KOTOR2 just not to the degree of the original.