Think about it: WORLD PEACE

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Hallow'sEve

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World Peace is actually a bad thing. When world peace has been established it means that the Anti-Christ has risen to power, united all the world's nations under his control and is ready to try and wage war on God. It's all in Revelations. You shouldn't get scared when earthquakes and shit happens, you should get scared when everything seems to be going really, really well. So much so you don't even notice it, "why, stamp my hand with a number so I can shop for necessities, that doesn't sound so bad", yeah, thats a problem.
 

Orcus The Ultimate

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whiteM1lk said:
Here's a thought.
Whats wrong with the world these days?
War. Its the one critical flaw that we all have a problem with.
All the money we put into war is just a waste of good money. For example: The B-2 bomber program cost the U.S. airforce 45BILLION dollars.
That money could have been used to find a cure for cancer or leukaemia. If war was to stop and just vanish, then all the people that were involved with war in some way could have other jobs as scientists of researchers, if they had the experience needed then maybe we would advance more as a society.
Call me crazy but if there were such thing as aliens, they probably advanced their society to the point of UFOs, by putting aside war and violence to become a way farther advance race than us. If we did the same.. well then it would probably go like this.
1.Humanity stopped war 2.we begin to advance 3.Find cures for all diseases 4.cheat death more often 5. 6.flying cars and robots (hell ya!) 7.live on mars 8.meet other life in the universe 9.(possible) We get attacked by the aliens and wipe out (unless the robots get us first). END...?
But in all seriousness, we've had war since our ancestors been smashing each others heads in with rocks. What if it was to stop suddenly?
That may be something we'll never know.
Well, i agree in many points about your opinion, but from what i believe,
Most of the Aliens won't disrupt our process of advancement, instead, they will still study our ways without letting ourselves killing us all, nor the planet "completely", maybe they aren't allowed to interfere so to speak, as if they were Antropologists.

And about World Peace, i'd really love it to be madeable, but the problem is that many (economically powerful) people have interests into letting Wars happen, followed by smaller conflicts, around the world so that it's always profitable (thinking of some quotes that said Kissinger and Rockefeller) to themselves and their industries.

so basically we're on our own... But in number we are more (as the Belgian motto says: "l'union fait la force"), and we have conviction, we will prevail, if we all agree, and don't fall into Fanatism, wether it is Religious or Political.
 

bad rider

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Edit, accidently hit post after pressing quote my bad.

-Bad Rider is sorrys
 

Iron Mal

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I'm sure that no-one particularly enjoys wars but just because it's unpleasent doesn't mean it's unessercary.

People have already mentioned the scientific and population issues connected to world peace, and it has already been mentioned that obtaining world peace (as some people see it) would be heavily reliant on some external force maintaining order among us.

Or we could follow the example set by the English and the French, these two nations once waged war on each other almost non-stop (and still hate each other to a certain extent to this day) but in recent times we've seen an end to the wars between them (even if the animosity is still there), this could be largely attributed to the fact that they have a large amount of trade between one another (as such, war between them would harm both of their economies).

In short, flowery college students with 'Stop the war!' banners won't do anything to help (although they'll certainly feel good about themselves), good old fashioned Capitalism, commerce and wealth will be the most likely thing to save us in the end.
 

bad rider

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whiteM1lk said:
Here's a thought.
Whats wrong with the world these days?
War. Its the one critical flaw that we all have a problem with.
All the money we put into war is just a waste of good money. For example: The B-2 bomber program cost the U.S. airforce 45BILLION dollars.
That money could have been used to find a cure for cancer or leukaemia. If war was to stop and just vanish, then all the people that were involved with war in some way could have other jobs as scientists of researchers, if they had the experience needed then maybe we would advance more as a society.
Call me crazy but if there were such thing as aliens, they probably advanced their society to the point of UFOs, by putting aside war and violence to become a way farther advance race than us. If we did the same.. well then it would probably go like this.
1.Humanity stopped war 2.we begin to advance 3.Find cures for all diseases 4.cheat death more often 5. 6.flying cars and robots (hell ya!) 7.live on mars 8.meet other life in the universe 9.(possible) We get attacked by the aliens and wipe out (unless the robots get us first). END...?
But in all seriousness, we've had war since our ancestors been smashing each others heads in with rocks. What if it was to stop suddenly?
That may be something we'll never know.
Actually a lot of technical advances made in recent year have been thanks to war, the NHS was setup due to the large amount of hospitals setup for dealing with the war, penicillan was invented aswell as blood infusions, xrays, nuclear power and many advances in nursing (Florence Nightinggale).

Edit: Also space travel (cold war with russians)

War, the biggest motivation for innovationn.
 

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Skullkid4187 said:
World Peace=Impossible it's in human nature to fight.
No it isn't! Come on, let's take this outside and discuss this like real men, with

OT: I actually think world peace will not come about until one of three things happen:

1) God gets fed up with us and does something that effects everyone until we abolish violence. Like an instantaneous global Ebola infection.

2) Aliens land and kill billions of us before we band together and defeat them as a single, collective race.

3) Someone gets a device that controls the minds of all of humanity.
 

sketch_zeppelin

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World Peace is an unrealistic and horrible idea. To make it happen would require the removal of most of what we condsider to be basic freedoms. no fuck world peace. I do however agree with your arguments on war. war between contries is an ugly and expensive thing.

we need to expand the global economy till borders become a thing of the past and where all united under one market. In this new world battles won't include whole contires (their won't be contires) but rather small skirmishes between corperations. their would be no need for weapons of mass destruction, after all why would you want to make a weapon the kills your compitition as well as potential customers indiscriminately.

please note that its 12AM where i am and i'm half mad from exhaustion...in otherwards don't read too deeply into this rant.
 

Therumancer

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whiteM1lk said:
Here's a thought.
Whats wrong with the world these days?
War. Its the one critical flaw that we all have a problem with.
All the money we put into war is just a waste of good money. For example: The B-2 bomber program cost the U.S. airforce 45BILLION dollars.
That money could have been used to find a cure for cancer or leukaemia. If war was to stop and just vanish, then all the people that were involved with war in some way could have other jobs as scientists of researchers, if they had the experience needed then maybe we would advance more as a society.
Call me crazy but if there were such thing as aliens, they probably advanced their society to the point of UFOs, by putting aside war and violence to become a way farther advance race than us. If we did the same.. well then it would probably go like this.
1.Humanity stopped war 2.we begin to advance 3.Find cures for all diseases 4.cheat death more often 5. 6.flying cars and robots (hell ya!) 7.live on mars 8.meet other life in the universe 9.(possible) We get attacked by the aliens and wipe out (unless the robots get us first). END...?
But in all seriousness, we've had war since our ancestors been smashing each others heads in with rocks. What if it was to stop suddenly?
That may be something we'll never know.
I don't think a Utopia is possible, nor do I think a society of passive non-violence would be a good idea as many authors writing fiction have pointed out.

That said, I do agree a world unity/one world goverment is nessicary. While a lot of that can happen through the spread of ideas, it's also going to involve killing billions and billions of people in at least one last great war.

Things like curing diseases, scientifically granting ourselves immortality, etc... are things that are never liable to be completed, or at least released to the public, until such a time as we have the living space to allow for a population that is not going to die in any great numbers.

That's a simple version, I've written a lot more on the subject on these forums, but I'm currently not feeling very well.

The bottom line is that right now the planet is suffering from dwindling resources with an ever increasing population. The bottom line is that in the end we need for there to be less people and then keep the population down through ZPG (Zero Population Growth). We need for what resources there are to be centralized under one goverment and used towards the purpose of space exploration in order to obtain more resources and expand our population.

As various enviromentalists will point out, we're at a crisis level where at the current rate we're liable to use up most of what we have within a few decades given the constant increase in the human population.

Most RATIONAL wars are fought over resources, and the very justified fear of not having enough, combined with paranoia about what other countries might be doing up in space other than what they claim (is that satellite aiming missles at us?).

In the end I feel the spread of ideas combined with the nessecity of survival is going to bring people together. People already fear the NWO (New World Order) that is gradually developing. I don't care for a lot of it myself, but I see it as being nessicary. A lot of the "national firewall" stuff you see is specifically done out of cultural preservation and to try and slow the spread of ideas and prevent people from coming together on things.

Once enough people do get together I think there is going to be one final war, those in support of a global unity, and those against it for their own reasons whether they simply be independance (there can be no exceptions for this to work) or something totally irrational like religion. In the end those seperate states are going to have to form a unity to stop the one using force to bring the rest of the world in line. In the final equasion a unity winds up happening anyway.

A lot of people think I'm insane, but from an impartial perspective the number of people alive right now combined with the expansion of our population means that I think that anything that gets rid of a lot of people is a good thing. Less people means less consumtion of resources, and a higher standard of living being possible for each person, leading to more contentment until more resources can be found. "we" were warned about the population problems for decades before they got to this point, but nobody listened, not having embraced ZPG when we had the chance is what has made this a sad reality. Nobody wants to be culled (and yes that includes me), but there really is no other solution. A nice, solid global war can get rid of a lot of people, and then if a baby boom can be averted through embracing ZPG it will put the surviving unity in a good position to begin expanding humanity and overcoming those problems in the long run.

Not one of my better aticulated posts, but as I said, I'm not feeling well.
 

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hmm the sad thing is without war we'd probably all be in straw huts getting nothing done. Our ever burning hate of each other has spurred on the technology that got us where we are today.
 
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SimuLord said:
Irridium said:
SimuLord said:
13,000 years of civilization's history argues against the notion of world peace ever being a possibility.
Indeed. Duke Nukem Forever would sooner come out.

Wait...
God dammit.
We need a new target for the "when pigs fly" sort of situation.

I suggest "It'll happen when Todd Howard learns to program ladders."
Sounds good. We'll use that until something better comes along.
 

Wintermoot

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war usually creates allot of techbological advance in verious field it also creates jobs I kinda support war for these reasons altough some wars like the iraq war are just stupid
 

Orcus The Ultimate

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Iron Mal said:
I'm sure that no-one particularly enjoys wars but just because it's unpleasent doesn't mean it's unessercary.

People have already mentioned the scientific and population issues connected to world peace, and it has already been mentioned that obtaining world peace (as some people see it) would be heavily reliant on some external force maintaining order among us.

Or we could follow the example set by the English and the French, these two nations once waged war on each other almost non-stop (and still hate each other to a certain extent to this day) but in recent times we've seen an end to the wars between them (even if the animosity is still there), this could be largely attributed to the fact that they have a large amount of trade between one another (as such, war between them would harm both of their economies).

In short, flowery college students with 'Stop the war!' banners won't do anything to help (although they'll certainly feel good about themselves), good old fashioned Capitalism, commerce and wealth will be the most likely thing to save us in the end.
allow me to tell you that's a good point your stating, but the specific example isn't adequate.

Here's the reason why:
 

demoman_chaos

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Do you realize just how many jobs war creates? War also helps keep the world from suffering overpopulation.
 
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JFK once said, "Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind."

Unfortunately, that might never happen. We've been killing each other since before recorded history.
 

Shoggoth2588

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This world probably won't become unified until there is another unified world trying to kill us. Sure, it was an idea from a comic but I don't see humans fighting each other when we have aliens trying to do us in.

As we currently are, humanity will be unable to become truly peaceful. Maybe one day people will realize that peace is easier than picketing, crusading, ruling. Peace is simply not killing each other. We don't have to like each other. We just have to realize that living together in peace is as simply as living together in a murder-free environment. Hell, I'm doing my part. It's pretty easy not murdering anyone. I haven't had a single urge once in my lifetime. Of course, I don't drink or smoke either so, maybe I'm just weird.
 

Phoenix14

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See What immediately comes to mind as a result of world peace is over-population...and that cause more violence unfortunately...
 

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I'm not committed to say whether or not these posters speaking in favor of war are wrong, but they sure as hell all better be enlisted in the military, ready to be part of that sacrifice they consider to be so necessary.
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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I really only have one problem with the concept of world peace: war is fucking awesome.




Seriously, I hope this never stops happening.