Third-Hand Smoking: Serious Health-Risk or Activists Taking It Too Far?

[lizards]

An athsmatic speaking:

If I smell any cigarette smoke AT ALL, even on clothes, my lungs fill with mucous to wash it out, and I can't breathe.

So it's an issue to me, yes.

As a fellow asthma sufferer, I agree.

Basically, if I'm around someone who WAS smoking, I suffer an asthma attack. It can be light, to the point I just suffer a few minutes and I'm good, or it can be to the point where I need my inhaler.

If I'm around someone who is CURRENTLY smoking, it's a severe attack which guarantees I need my inhaler, and could send me to the ER if exposed long enough.

And if I were to actually smoke, we skip the ER and I go straight to the morgue.

So third degree smoke isn't the worst thing, but it still has an effect. And I am inclined to punch anyone who causes me an asthma attack because of a sick fucking addiction they should have outright banned long ago.

You are a bit judgmental. People have the right to smoke and it isn't a sick addiction - at least anymore than any other addiction people have. I get sick from cars, factories, barbeques and burning leaves -should I punch all those transgressors? I see much of our pollution as a sick fucking addiction if that's how you phrase smoking. Seeing your rant makes me want to light up and I don't even smoke.

Bans are a violation of our civil rights- we have the right to smoke, drink, eat poorly, and party. If you drive and ***** about smoking you're a hypocrite (unless you drive a full electric car from a region that gets power from hydroelectric, wind, or another airsafe method of electricity generation.)

your an idoit

ok now that we got that out of the way heres why:

1 how is it not a sick addiction? it gives you cancer,heart disease, fucks up your lungs, and makes a number of phyiscal changes (like yellow teeth wrinkles) and for what? not a reason in the world thats what
2 it gives not only yourself these things but it gives others them
3 no where in the constitution does it say anything about smoking and were is founded today it would be banned
4 your arguements are invalid because (for example) in resturants smoking makes their work environment unsafe
to put this into a metaphor: a resturant starts filtering carbon monoxide into the resturant for no reason at all, while it may not hurt the employees directly they will experence health defects
that is one of the best metaphors ive used in this debate hm.....wait a second this seems to be what smoking does.......
5 the difference is people dont get cancer from driving cars and cars sure as hell dont increase peoples chances of being cancer that are around them again your arguement is invalid because cigerattes are unliked not because of air pollution but because of the health risk
6 if someone could invent a cheap affordable solar powered car then people would use it BUT offer a cigeratte patch, gum, injection, or whatever they will not use it dont try to deny that because their is all those things (minus the injection part to the best of my knowledge

grow up

3) The constitution gives everyone the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Smoking takes life but gives happiness to some...so you are at a hell of a conundrum.
5) Exhaust is more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke.

3 murder makes some people happy and is outlawed so same thing and that means that im right
5 tell me one benefit JUST ONE that ciggerates give and i can name 5 that cars give assumeing of course that ciggerates do have some weird benefit (which i doubt)

 

[lizards]

Smoking is a right as much as any other not expressly written down. Just because their is no law giving me the right to fly a kite doesn't mean I don't have that right. I do not think sex offenders aren't sick but thats yet another straw man because there pleasure by necessity comes at the expense of another. The coke head is another story- they have the right to do what they want and my personal opinion on the aesthetics of it doesn't matter.

You continue to throw ad hominems at me yet no real logic.

History disagrees with your assessment of cars being necessary.

Pollution is not unrelated and if you don't see the correlation then its not worth continuing this discussion because you simply won't get it. Cars do more damage than cigarettes - look at the effect on wildlife.

Terminal. Are you now or have you ever been diagnosed as a retard?

A right is something that is (for the most part) inalienable and irrevocable, protected by law because of the fact it is specifically written in the laws. If there is no law specifically stating you have X as a right, then it is not a right.

As to the rest, you debate with the intellectual prowess of a down-syndrome twelve-year-old who survived two abortion attempts and was raised on a diet of paint chips post-birth. Seriously... You spout words with no concept of their meaning.

To quote you directly: "Cigarettes are a pleasure and people have every bit as much right to them as driving."

Neither one is a right. Learn the meaning of the fucking word. You do not have a RIGHT to smoke, and you do not have the RIGHT to drive. But I fear nothing I say will get through to you, so I wish you well, Terminal, and hope that Nurse Ratched comes with your pills post-haste.

high 5s this guy

good job man give em hell

 

[Spadly]

6 if someone could invent a cheap affordable solar powered car then people would use it BUT offer a cigeratte patch, gum, injection, or whatever they will not use it dont try to deny that because their is all those things (minus the injection part to the best of my knowledge

I'd just like to point out that nicotine patches and shit like that are in fact, not very affordable.
It's much cheaper to just carry on smoking than to use gum or patches.

And PLEASE use punctuation. Reading your posts makes my brain ache

 

[Bluebacon]

6 if someone could invent a cheap affordable solar powered car then people would use it BUT offer a cigeratte patch, gum, injection, or whatever they will not use it dont try to deny that because their is all those things (minus the injection part to the best of my knowledge

I'd just like to point out that nicotine patches and shit like that are in fact, not very affordable.
It's much cheaper to just carry on smoking than to use gum or patches.

And PLEASE use punctuation. Reading your posts makes my brain ache

Seconded. I managed to get some gum on prescription and it still cost £7 for about 2 weeks worth. Without the prescription it would have been £14.50, and this was Boots own brand stuff. They really neede to cut the prices of those, it's just not fair.

 

[Beetlejooce]

An irresistible force meets an immovable object, what happens? My right to breath conflicts with a smoker's right to smoke. We can't both keep our rights, one has to be sacrificed for the other. Personally, I side with my right to breathe. Not only is it a case of life or death for my right, whereas a smoker isn't going to die from being forced to quit, but also MY right doesn't harm anyone.

Nowhere is it written that you have the right to smoke. It is not a legal right, it is not a human right, and if the government voted to ban tobacco tomorrow, you don't have a leg to stand on because part of being in a civilized society is the recognition that limitations WILL be imposed on what you can and cannot do.

Now with regards to what you say about cars, BBQs, and factories...

Cars are a necessary evil. Cigarettes are not a necessary anything. Cars are not an addiction, they are a tool. You can find many things in the world that are bad for us, that we cannot simply dispense with, but each of these things have a purpose. Smoking does not. And if someone were to make a true replacement for the internal combustion engine, one which does not simply trade tailpipe emissions for caustic waste like hybrids/electrics do, then the world would stop using cars that pollute. But smokers, you could offer them an alternative to their addiction, such as the patch or nicotine gum, and they keep on puffing away, because they don't give a shit. So fuck em. Fuck smokers, their habit causes nothing positive in the world.

If you don't want to be near someone who smokes... then don't. You say there is no reason for people to smoke, it's a relaxant. My step-dad smokes because he's had a depressing life, and it acts as a relaxant.

I'm not saying that everyone should smoke, nor that non-smokers should be forced to inhale the fumes. But if you haven't tried it how can you give an unbiased opinion when you have no idea of what it feels like, or how addictive it is or anything? People have a right to live how they want. And also the taxes on cigarettes are high, and the government would lose a lot of money if smoking was banned totally (so I can't see it happening).

As for 3rd hand smoking.. I could see where it might affect someone who's not used to the fumes or does suffer from a breathing ailment, but in a house belonging to a smoker, it's more the smoke that lingers in the air than on the furniture i would think. Someone just needs to open a couple of windows.

 

[nolongerhere]

Get rid of our cars and pollution spewing factories then ***** about 3rd hand smoke. Seriously people need to get their heads out of their asses.

seconded

No, we should shove their heads further up their asses. Far enough that we won't be able to hear them anymore.

 

[savandicus]

I think if you try and breath through the furniture then you might be at risk, equally if you smoke the furniture you might be at risk aswell. Apart from that its a hazard to your nose to be in a room which is smoked in regularry, they stink

 

[lenin_117]

I think the bigger issue is a consensus being used as proof.

 

[prefectimo]

&nbsp Now I have only read a little of the constitution but could somebody point me to the section where it says you have the right to clean air?

&nbsp A dog is rewarded for sitting by its master, it soon develops in the dogs mind that each time they sit in front of their master they will receive a treat. It is natural for the dog to expect a treat each time because that is what it has taught itself to expect. Not all dogs expect food for sitting though.

&nbsp A person may cough from inhaling smoke, it soon develops in the persons mind that each time they inhale smoke they will cough. It is natural for the person to expect to cough each time because that is what they have taught themselves to expect. Not all people expect to cough from inhaling smoke though.

&nbsp I was an asthmatic when I was young, I coughed at times when I breathed in smoke. I trained myself to not react to breathing in smoke because I didn't want my brain to trigger the cough reaction. That is why I don't think people who cough or get these headaches from smoke are really having these things happening from the smoke. It is called a placebo effect. You expect it so your brain triggers the expected reaction.

&nbsp It has been proved that there is more harmful chemicals released from a cars exhaust then there is released from a cigarette (take note I am not for banning cars). There is also a greater volume of these exhaust fumes then there is cigarette smoke in the atmosphere. Could someone explain to me the logic behind why a person will cough when someone is smoking near them but not when someone is driving a car near them?

 

[Torian_Kel]

An athsmatic speaking:

If I smell any cigarette smoke AT ALL, even on clothes, my lungs fill with mucous to wash it out, and I can't breathe.

So it's an issue to me, yes.

As a fellow asthma sufferer, I agree.

Basically, if I'm around someone who WAS smoking, I suffer an asthma attack. It can be light, to the point I just suffer a few minutes and I'm good, or it can be to the point where I need my inhaler.

If I'm around someone who is CURRENTLY smoking, it's a severe attack which guarantees I need my inhaler, and could send me to the ER if exposed long enough.

And if I were to actually smoke, we skip the ER and I go straight to the morgue.

So third degree smoke isn't the worst thing, but it still has an effect. And I am inclined to punch anyone who causes me an asthma attack because of a sick fucking addiction they should have outright banned long ago.

You are a bit judgmental. People have the right to smoke and it isn't a sick addiction - at least anymore than any other addiction people have. I get sick from cars, factories, barbeques and burning leaves -should I punch all those transgressors? I see much of our pollution as a sick fucking addiction if that's how you phrase smoking. Seeing your rant makes me want to light up and I don't even smoke.

Bans are a violation of our civil rights- we have the right to smoke, drink, eat poorly, and party. If you drive and ***** about smoking you're a hypocrite (unless you drive a full electric car from a region that gets power from hydroelectric, wind, or another airsafe method of electricity generation.)

your an idoit

ok now that we got that out of the way heres why:

1 how is it not a sick addiction? it gives you cancer,heart disease, fucks up your lungs, and makes a number of phyiscal changes (like yellow teeth wrinkles) and for what? not a reason in the world thats what
2 it gives not only yourself these things but it gives others them
3 no where in the constitution does it say anything about smoking and were is founded today it would be banned
4 your arguements are invalid because (for example) in resturants smoking makes their work environment unsafe
to put this into a metaphor: a resturant starts filtering carbon monoxide into the resturant for no reason at all, while it may not hurt the employees directly they will experence health defects
that is one of the best metaphors ive used in this debate hm.....wait a second this seems to be what smoking does.......
5 the difference is people dont get cancer from driving cars and cars sure as hell dont increase peoples chances of being cancer that are around them again your arguement is invalid because cigerattes are unliked not because of air pollution but because of the health risk
6 if someone could invent a cheap affordable solar powered car then people would use it BUT offer a cigeratte patch, gum, injection, or whatever they will not use it dont try to deny that because their is all those things (minus the injection part to the best of my knowledge

grow up

3) The constitution gives everyone the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Smoking takes life but gives happiness to some...so you are at a hell of a conundrum.
5) Exhaust is more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke.

3 murder makes some people happy and is outlawed so same thing and that means that im right
5 tell me one benefit JUST ONE that ciggerates give and i can name 5 that cars give assumeing of course that ciggerates do have some weird benefit (which i doubt)

Some benefits of smoking are that they are a stress relief and an appetite suppressant. But me explaining these to you is a waste of time as you continuously twist what is said so that it fits your agenda without thinking about context. Ergo I believe you Sirrah are a Troll.

To which we do not feed.

 

[Knonsense]

That is definitely one of the stupidest excuses for "evidence" I have ever seen. It's worse than quoting random forum users for a television commercial or rolling dice to generate "statistics."

I hate the news. Sooooooooo much.

 

[Uncompetative]

Well, I know I have to thouroughly wash myself after even being in a smoker's house; it gets my head something terrible...

You are a brave person going in there in the first place. I wouldn't risk it.

I hold my breath whilst walking past smokers and babies.

 

[ace_of_something]

When I was looking at houses we turned down some very nice homes because they smelled like smoke and I know it's fricken impossible to get that smell out of a whole house. YOu got to change the carpet, paint the walls and sometimes even change the woodwork if it's bad enough.
It's common sense that the smell get into things and it makes some people sick. This might be someone needed as I know many people (mostly criminals) who still think second hand smoke is a myth.

 

[Erana]

Well, I know I have to thouroughly wash myself after even being in a smoker's house; it gets my head something terrible...

You are a brave person going in there in the first place. I wouldn't risk it.

I hold my breath whilst walking past smokers and babies.

Well, I have to meet my grandmother at least once in my life...

 

[lizards]

An athsmatic speaking:

If I smell any cigarette smoke AT ALL, even on clothes, my lungs fill with mucous to wash it out, and I can't breathe.

So it's an issue to me, yes.

As a fellow asthma sufferer, I agree.

Basically, if I'm around someone who WAS smoking, I suffer an asthma attack. It can be light, to the point I just suffer a few minutes and I'm good, or it can be to the point where I need my inhaler.

If I'm around someone who is CURRENTLY smoking, it's a severe attack which guarantees I need my inhaler, and could send me to the ER if exposed long enough.

And if I were to actually smoke, we skip the ER and I go straight to the morgue.

So third degree smoke isn't the worst thing, but it still has an effect. And I am inclined to punch anyone who causes me an asthma attack because of a sick fucking addiction they should have outright banned long ago.

You are a bit judgmental. People have the right to smoke and it isn't a sick addiction - at least anymore than any other addiction people have. I get sick from cars, factories, barbeques and burning leaves -should I punch all those transgressors? I see much of our pollution as a sick fucking addiction if that's how you phrase smoking. Seeing your rant makes me want to light up and I don't even smoke.

Bans are a violation of our civil rights- we have the right to smoke, drink, eat poorly, and party. If you drive and ***** about smoking you're a hypocrite (unless you drive a full electric car from a region that gets power from hydroelectric, wind, or another airsafe method of electricity generation.)

your an idoit

ok now that we got that out of the way heres why:

1 how is it not a sick addiction? it gives you cancer,heart disease, fucks up your lungs, and makes a number of phyiscal changes (like yellow teeth wrinkles) and for what? not a reason in the world thats what
2 it gives not only yourself these things but it gives others them
3 no where in the constitution does it say anything about smoking and were is founded today it would be banned
4 your arguements are invalid because (for example) in resturants smoking makes their work environment unsafe
to put this into a metaphor: a resturant starts filtering carbon monoxide into the resturant for no reason at all, while it may not hurt the employees directly they will experence health defects
that is one of the best metaphors ive used in this debate hm.....wait a second this seems to be what smoking does.......
5 the difference is people dont get cancer from driving cars and cars sure as hell dont increase peoples chances of being cancer that are around them again your arguement is invalid because cigerattes are unliked not because of air pollution but because of the health risk
6 if someone could invent a cheap affordable solar powered car then people would use it BUT offer a cigeratte patch, gum, injection, or whatever they will not use it dont try to deny that because their is all those things (minus the injection part to the best of my knowledge

grow up

3) The constitution gives everyone the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Smoking takes life but gives happiness to some...so you are at a hell of a conundrum.
5) Exhaust is more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke.

3 murder makes some people happy and is outlawed so same thing and that means that im right
5 tell me one benefit JUST ONE that ciggerates give and i can name 5 that cars give assumeing of course that ciggerates do have some weird benefit (which i doubt)

Some benefits of smoking are that they are a stress relief and an appetite suppressant. But me explaining these to you is a waste of time as you continuously twist what is said so that it fits your agenda without thinking about context. Ergo I believe you Sirrah are a Troll.

To which we do not feed.

silly me being against cancer

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

next up, fouth-hand smoke

breathing in smoke fumes ejected into the atmosphere by some unknown way (you someone is bound to try to inject the ozone with pot one of these days)

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

...depends on how heavy a smoker you are and whether you purposefully exhale into the furniture? XD

i dont think its a major threat

Well you never know, you could breathe straight onto a chair, and then someone might come up straight after you leave and inhale the scent of the chair, only to find that they get two lungs full of third hand smoke!

Shut. Down. EVERYTHING.

Nobody breathes until we get this contained, do you hear me?!