This has got to stop.

[Sneaklemming]

Speaking from the POV of a politics student; I have to saye that the issue of race is like a core value- like religion and economic status.

It's about opinion here. It's their choice to blindly follow. There is probably an element of culture involved too.

Just speaking plainly- a softer approach might have been nicer- or even just shouting once. If the guy hit you- just suck it up and apologise- your mates aren't going to laugh at you- you took a blow for your politics (yes politics - I could explain but I don't want a block of text).

By hitting the guy back- well that was your choice. As for hate crimes well, honestly I can't say. I'm an advocate of free-speech and civil liberties- when people trample them I get mad, so I dunno. It's hard to say.

As for the sentencing - assualt can be very mild - or very bad, whereas hate crimes are always very bad and can be life-scarring in the very worst cases.

I hope this all goes well for you- from your post, it doesn't seem it was racially fuelled.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Technically you started it dude. Take the punishment.


Also be sure to spell-check intelligent. Otherwise some wise-ass may make a comment about it.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I see that you have a rather... interesting point... but that doesn't mean flying off the handle and insulting someone so harshly let alone using intimidating physical actions to try to argue with them could be excused in even the most lenient of courts... sorry buddy but from the sounds of it, you need medication, as obviously you have a serious anger/agression problem which may be caused by a chemical imbalance in your brain.

talk to a psychologist... not a psychiatrist(as they are not allowed to medicate you)
and give peace a chance.

 

[rynocerator]

I live in America despite the intelegent decision being "get the fuck out", and as such am treated with bursts of increasing ignorance with rabbid ferocity. the latest of which caused foam to form at the corners of my mouth and rage to spew forth with little stemming the tide. Here's what happened:

[stuff]

Help me out here.

1. You're assuming that the girl liked Obama only because he was black. Maybe she had other reasons.
2. Your debating style needs work. Debate in a calm, rational manner and people will be more likely to listen. Fly into a tizzy and you will rub people the wrong way.
3. Don't act like a thug, it's childish. Act like a baby and you will be treated like a baby i.e locked in a cage and fed meals through the bars.
4. "Toppling the table" means you started the physical element and were acting in a threatening physical manner. The guy who punched you was just acting in self-defense at a perceived threat.
5. It's arguably a hate crime because if the people were white you might not have done this.
6. It was none of your business anyway, you could have just ignored it.

Well put.

And you know, OP, if you did listen to that voice that nags you in the back of your mind, and you did leave, you wouldn't have these problems. I live in America, as well, and I don't have problems like this...well, ever.

 

[IxionIndustries]

I think you might have over-reacted a bit... I mean seriously, just fucking ignore it..

It's not like she came up to you, smacked you in the lip, and shouted "OBAMA!" in your damn ear...

Also, did you consider moving away from the obnoxious morons?

 

[Soren91]

I find it rather ironic that the OP misspelled "intelligent"

 

[Arcadia2000]

The man asks for help. Here it is. She was annoying. Obnoxious. Rude. BUT! and here's the key part: so were you. If you had turned to her and done everything the same up until you opened your mouth and THEN said, "Will you please be quiet?! Other people in this restaurant are trying to have a good time, and they can't with you screaming your head off!" and then you got a face full of fist? Everyone here would be in your camp, buddy, and you would probably not be looking at a hate-crime charge. Furthermore, you intruded on their conversation without being invited. Nevermind that you couldn't help but hear, you proceeded to shove your opinion down their throats because you were annoyed. Just because you have one, and it's different from someone else's, doesn't mean you need to share it.

"You ignorant *****! Please, gods, shut the hell up! **You, just like everyone else, will end up selling the dude under the bridge as soon as he sais something you dont like, or does something stupid! And he will! Being black does not exclude him from fuck-ups! You alone are proof of that, you idot cow! Just like Bush, when something that noone likes happens, and it will, you are going to give him up to save your own ass! Do you even know why youre screaming his name? Do you you damn gutter slut? You're screaming it because he's black, not because of what he stands for!"

Those are the major issues with what you said, despite the fact that everything after ** did not need to be said at all. You deserve to get your ass beat if you talk like that. And you insulted the woman in front of her family/significant other? You doubly deserve it. If you had said that to ME and my FATHER had heard you, you wouldn't be posting online, you'd be in the damn hospital.

Now on two part two: why is it a hate crime because you hit back? Because they were black and there were racial issues being talked about. That's the way America is nowadays. It's not fair and it's not even right, but that's how it goes. If you weren't aware that hitting someone in the gay/bisexual/transgender/any-non-caucasian/you-name-it-these-days category isn't automatically going to have someone screaming "hate crime hate crime!" then you, sir, are out of touch, because it's been that way for a while now.

Part three: Pres. Obama isn't great for being black. Having a black american as president is a change in how power in America has so far been held. Obama is simply the lucky guy to be first. He's going to be a major name for a long, long time. Like Sally Ride, and Sandra Day O'Connor. Somehow, I think I just called him a woman, but I'm a white girl so I know my white female firsts. It's an accomplishment because racism in America is still an issue. You're a white man, and sometimes it's hard for white men to see things from the other side. While I applaud you for saying that people should be awarded more for merit than notoriety, the man worked to get that office. It's achievement enough for that. And to be honest, even if she was like an icepick in your skull, if she believes that a black man in office will make this country a better place for everyone, then more power to her. You have to believe in a cause first for it to go anywhere.

So, in closing, she was obnoxious, and you displayed a shocking lack of good judgement. I hope you've learned from your mistakes.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Don't go to Denny's after midnight

Lesson learned


Trust me'

 

[asukalsunit02]

I registered on the forum just to respond to your post.

You were justified. Completely.

Also people need to learn to read- You didn't punch the woman.

I wish there were more people like you who realized the stupid shit that was going on and just got fed up with it and said enough was fucking enough.

I applaud you sir, and would bail you out of jail if I knew you personally.

As for your two things:

1. Because our society has become biased against those who built it. It's been soft-soaked and sugar coated to the point that foreigners, 'minorities', or basically anyone who isn't white can come into our country or stomp our grounds like they own the place and use our own laws against us.

2. Because everyone is ignorant, but the blacks capitalize on it. All the proof I need lies in an on-the-street interview sequence I saw first hand where, before the election, a news reporter went onto the street to ask black people what they liked about Obama and why they were voting for him. All of them, and I mean every fucking one of them, said they liked anything the news reporter said, even if that wasn't what he stood for.

The news reporter asked "Do you like that Obama supports the right to life?" (though he supports the right to choose) and the man being interviewed was like "HELL YEAH I DO".

This went on for a solid 15 minutes, and not a one person the news reporter asked had any fucking clue what Obama actually stood for, all they knew is that they agreed 100% without hesitation.

P.S. Screw every one of you who were like "lol u were rude". This is our fucking country at stake. Not a baseball game, not an online game, OUR. FUCKING. COUNTRY.

Grow a pair and stop being so apathetic.

 

[BonsaiK]

I registered on the forum just to respond to your post.

You were justified. Completely.

Also people need to learn to read- You didn't punch the woman.

I wish there were more people like you who realized the stupid shit that was going on and just got fed up with it and said enough was fucking enough.

I applaud you sir, and would bail you out of jail if I knew you personally.

As for your two things:

1. Because our society has become biased against those who built it. It's been soft-soaked and sugar coated to the point that foreigners, 'minorities', or basically anyone who isn't white can come into our country or stomp our grounds like they own the place and use our own laws against us.

2. Because everyone is ignorant, but the blacks capitalize on it. All the proof I need lies in an on-the-street interview sequence I saw first hand where, before the election, a news reporter went onto the street to ask black people what they liked about Obama and why they were voting for him. All of them, and I mean every fucking one of them, said they liked anything the news reporter said, even if that wasn't what he stood for.

The news reporter asked "Do you like that Obama supports the right to life?" (though he supports the right to choose) and the man being interviewed was like "HELL YEAH I DO".

This went on for a solid 15 minutes, and not a one person the news reporter asked had any fucking clue what Obama actually stood for, all they knew is that they agreed 100% without hesitation.

P.S. Screw every one of you who were like "lol u were rude". This is our fucking country at stake. Not a baseball game, not an online game, OUR. FUCKING. COUNTRY.

Grow a pair and stop being so apathetic.

I detect a sockpuppet post.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

Congratulations, you're retarded.

 

[theultimateend]

I'm not going to help you. Mainly because I can't help you, and because I don't think I should help you. You deserve everything you are getting.

EDIT: Okay, I probably sound like an asshole in this post. Sorry. But I still think what you did was completely unjustified. You were not even a part of their conversation, and all of a sudden you start insulting that woman. You completely humiliated her in public.

Psh. I made it through high school.

What he did was lightweight shit ;p.

 

[Metric Monkey]

Well America sucks like that. It's a country where you can only hate someone if they're white.
Your little incident happened because you called her a "Gutter slut" and an "ignorant *****". And the fact you yelled at her.

 

[Worgen]

Well I do think there were a million and one better ways to handle that situation, but I do agree with you: far too many people support Obama only because of his color, which is simply ridiculous.

Though admittedly, I can't stand the guy.

you do realize there its a 2 party system right? so odds are more ppl are supporting him because hes a dem then because hes black, after all the republicans seem to be dead set on showing just how massive dicks they can be, not to mention that obama did a good job of making people beleave that we can change the system again, granted it takes alot more then a pres to do it but its something.

 

[Worgen]

remember kids, sometimes thinking helps

I'm sorry, incredibly off topic, but I god damn love your avatar.

heh I get that alot

 

[lacktheknack]

You lost all my sympathy during that uncontrolled rant.

EDIT:

Spoiler: Rabbid ferocity?

And you win, sir.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I registered on the forum just to respond to your post.

You were justified. Completely.

Also people need to learn to read- You didn't punch the woman.

I wish there were more people like you who realized the stupid shit that was going on and just got fed up with it and said enough was fucking enough.

I applaud you sir, and would bail you out of jail if I knew you personally.

As for your two things:

1. Because our society has become biased against those who built it. It's been soft-soaked and sugar coated to the point that foreigners, 'minorities', or basically anyone who isn't white can come into our country or stomp our grounds like they own the place and use our own laws against us.

2. Because everyone is ignorant, but the blacks capitalize on it. All the proof I need lies in an on-the-street interview sequence I saw first hand where, before the election, a news reporter went onto the street to ask black people what they liked about Obama and why they were voting for him. All of them, and I mean every fucking one of them, said they liked anything the news reporter said, even if that wasn't what he stood for.

The news reporter asked "Do you like that Obama supports the right to life?" (though he supports the right to choose) and the man being interviewed was like "HELL YEAH I DO".

This went on for a solid 15 minutes, and not a one person the news reporter asked had any fucking clue what Obama actually stood for, all they knew is that they agreed 100% without hesitation.

P.S. Screw every one of you who were like "lol u were rude". This is our fucking country at stake. Not a baseball game, not an online game, OUR. FUCKING. COUNTRY.

Grow a pair and stop being so apathetic.

Your avatar should be a sock puppet.

 

[VicunaBlue]

I can find no sympathy in my heart for you. However annoying the other person was being, it was no call for you to start insulting their politics. Insult their loudness, if anything, but the other was kind of fucked up.

Spoiler: Rabbid ferocity?

He wasn't insulting her political choices. While I agree the whole Gutter slut thing was a bit too far, you really don't know how annoying Obama zealots are until you meet them. Half the time, as he said, they ARE just supporting him because they are black. If you call them out on it, "Y"LL BE RACIST SON"

I registered on the forum just to respond to your post.

You were justified. Completely.

Also people need to learn to read- You didn't punch the woman.

I wish there were more people like you who realized the stupid shit that was going on and just got fed up with it and said enough was fucking enough.

I applaud you sir, and would bail you out of jail if I knew you personally.

As for your two things:

1. Because our society has become biased against those who built it. It's been soft-soaked and sugar coated to the point that foreigners, 'minorities', or basically anyone who isn't white can come into our country or stomp our grounds like they own the place and use our own laws against us.

2. Because everyone is ignorant, but the blacks capitalize on it. All the proof I need lies in an on-the-street interview sequence I saw first hand where, before the election, a news reporter went onto the street to ask black people what they liked about Obama and why they were voting for him. All of them, and I mean every fucking one of them, said they liked anything the news reporter said, even if that wasn't what he stood for.

The news reporter asked "Do you like that Obama supports the right to life?" (though he supports the right to choose) and the man being interviewed was like "HELL YEAH I DO".

This went on for a solid 15 minutes, and not a one person the news reporter asked had any fucking clue what Obama actually stood for, all they knew is that they agreed 100% without hesitation.

P.S. Screw every one of you who were like "lol u were rude". This is our fucking country at stake. Not a baseball game, not an online game, OUR. FUCKING. COUNTRY.

Grow a pair and stop being so apathetic.

I agree with you, but your probably gonna get reported because this is your first post.

 

[asukalsunit02]

You detect shit, I'm a girl from the middle of New Jersey that's had it up to the hilt with this same issue. I was watching "There will be Brawl" when the topic came up on the side bar and I clicked out of curiosity. I watched 9 people post soft-soaked pandering to political correctness and couldn't stand it anymore.

Edit: And hell if I care, I don't use the damn forum. If I get reported and banned it'll just stand as a testament to what we've become, where an opposing opinion with a little colorful language is a bannable offense, because HEAVEN FORBID WE HURT SOMEONE'S WITTLE FEELINGS.

 

[Onichanbura]

I love the fact that everyone here has absolutely disregarded the grounds for what happened here. Regardless of the political views involved, when someone is that loud and annoying, I (as well as all of you when you care to admit it) become enraged. Now like me, he decided to take action instead of only whining about it later as most on this forum would have. I commend him. A little too far? I think not. You should all try stepping out of your comfort zone every now an again.