This illogical MW2 hate has got to stop

[obex]

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/modernwarfare2?q=modern%20warfare


It should be obvious to everyone that MW2 is better on PC than either console, surely it should be rated higher than the console version.

I what way is it obvious ? All the things that set it apart from the console version are gone its the same game exactly with just a different control scheme.

Also you seem to think that meta-critic is synonymous with the escapist as bitching about what people put on meta-critic here will not change anything

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

Either use 100% of it's usability, or just develop the game for the consoles. How 'bout that?

It's funny you should say that, because in all likelihood there won't be any PC version within another 4-6 years. The sales aren't there and publishers seem to be scared to fucking death of piracy.

 

[Mr. Drood]

I can't stand this whole "PC gamers are such elitists" argument. It's painfully obvious the OP hasn't bothered to look at the arguments in the debate in any sort of depth. The PC community isn't mad that the IW hasn't made the game "better" than the console versions, but because they seem to be actively trying to make it worse!

You can't tell me it was less work to make the whole IW.net thing than just copy-paste the dedicated server system from COD4. Also, just because something works on a console doesn't mean it works on PCs, as has been the case with P2P in every other PC game so far.

Oh, and max 9v9 for multiplayer because "the maps are balanced for 9v9"? First of all, doesn't everyone see what massive BS this is? And even if we believe that IW are soooo concerned about players getting the best and most balanced experienced out of their game (and considering everything else they've done that seems unlikely), then why not just give the players the chance to change it? Making it impossible to go higher than 9v9 must have been more work than simply making 9v9 the default but allowing many different amounts of players.

PC gamers still get mouse aim? Well, since most PC gamers only have a mouse, that really doesn't seem very impressive. What, are we supposed to be grateful for NOT having to buy a gamepad just to play MW2?

"If you don't like it you don't have to buy it!" I hear you crowing gleefully. But that's not really what IW and Activision are thinking is it? I doubt the executives sitting together on a big conference table said: "you know what, if they don't like it, they'll just not buy it! No problem!" They simply know that because of the incredible hype around the game and most people's complete ignorance of all these issues, people will still buy it on the PC. And that attitude, the attitude of "oh, the idiots will still buy it" should NOT be allowed to become a habit.

It's like with the game costing 60 bucks. Sure, if you don't want to pay that much, don't, no problem. But again, that's not what Activision and IW are hoping for. They're hoping for this to become standard so that from then on everyone can bring out their games for 60 euros without concern. And lets be honest here folks, if MW2 is still a massive success on the PC as well, whats to stop other devs from releasing their games for 60 bucks as well?

Sorry for the lengthy post, and also:
Hi Escapist Community! (first post)

 

[Slayer_2]

I've said it before, the PC elitists are just being babies because their game isn't any better than the console version. Therefore they feel the need to whine as they're so used to being able to brag about their versions of games being better. Now that we're on equal terms, they can't handle it and spaz out.

Just because console gamers are used to shitty treatment, doesn't mean PC gamers should get it too. Not only is it shitty treatment, it probably took MORE work to make IW.net then it would have to simply use dedicated servers. I don't know what I was thinking, but a few months ago, I bought an Xbox 360. What a waste. The only game I ever played was Gears of War 2, and the thing gave me weekly red rings. Xbox Live is full of immature kids who think they're "gangsta" and worse, there are no moderators to kick them out of the game. Plus you have to pay to use a feature that shoves ads in your face and lags horribly. The ONLY advantage to an Xbox is the split-screen, although some PC games have that.

However, the reason I'm not buying MW2 isn't the shitty IW.net idea, or worse, the lack of modding tools. It's because of the raised price I'm expected to pay for less features and the same game with a few new guns.

 

[scotth266]

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/modernwarfare2?q=modern%20warfare

A user score of 13%???!?

That high?

Oh, come on Root, I expect better of you. That's REALLY petty.

You misunderstand. Given what happened to Spore on Amazon, I wasn't expecting it to get any score, whether it deserved it or not.

And I got sick of these threads back in the Terrorist Outrage stage.

Ah, I see. Sorry about that then. You should edit your post to say that, otherwise you're going to have a lot of people misinterpreting what you meant.

I agree though: too much Modern Warfare. At least the Prototype Vs. Infamous rush had TWO games that people were talking about...

 

[Arehexes]

Yay, another Modern Warfare 2 thread. I haven't even played this game and I'm already sick of it.

On topic now.

It is rather ridiculous that people are giving it a low rating just because of the multiplayer though. But I guess that's just the way people work, they kick and scream like children and drag the rest of the gaming community down with them. That's how negative gaming stereotypes start.

No the problem is PC gamers lack something to brag about to console gamers now, so they feel like they should just give it a bad rating.

 

[Zenn3k]

L4D2 isn't very good.

Its exactly the same as the first game except:
- Its during the day, so its not scary at all
- The weapons suck and have half the ammo
- Melee weapons all do the same thing, no special animations for killing with a guitar (just some string noises) AND you have to ditch your pistol(s) for them, making them something you basically avoid, especially when the main guns have no ammo
- Couple new annoying special infected

MW2 is awesome.

Yes, well I liked it, but I doubt I would have liked it if essential features had been removed to save money. MW2 is not fundamentally a bad game, it's just that the developers saw fit to shaft PC users. If it had all the things PC gaming needs to be fun on it I'd be playing it to death right now. Like the OP, I await a PC nonfuckup version.

Dedicated servers are not REQUIRED to play the game. And in my experience, dedicated servers cause me to stop playing games my PC titles. I stopped playing TF2 because half the servers modified the game in a way I didn't like, and the other half had admins that banned you for killing them.

This is why I play on the 360 now.

 

[Allevil]

I can't say I've had much experience with PC shooters besides the original Halo, having only really ever played console shooters ... but 13%? Wow ... surely it can't be THAT bad.

If the developers have made it to be just like the console version of MW2, then what's the big deal? I just don't understand that why it would be reviewed so lowly when it's still a good game.

I bet if I played the PC version I'd rate it much higher than most other people have. But that's just my oppinion, formed with a lack of knowledge and experience. I just feel like dissapointment is no reason to rate a game lowly.

The thing is that the PC version is not in competition with the console version, it is in competition with other PC games. When compared to its predecessor, it offers very little. The multiplayer is worse than its predecessor, owing to this stupid matchmaking nonsense. The single player is apparently quite good, but short and with a nonsense plot. Why would any PC gamer buy this? Nobody is going to spend this much money on what essentially boils down to a 5 hour single player game. They will spend their money on games that are designed for them.

This is what people are failing to understand - this isn't about console vs PC, and it never should be. This is about a game which should have been game of the year releasing in a state which is simply worse than its contemporaries, for seemingly no reason.

 

[Zenn3k]

And yet, the console version (and therefore the PC version, since they run off the same principles) is lag-free! So what's the problem, again?

It's already been explained several times what the problem is.

L4D2 isn't very good.

Its exactly the same as the first game except:

Except it has entirely new campaigns with entirely new weapons, monsters and features. You know, kind of what you'd expect from a fucking sequel. Did you expect it to be a dancing game like DDR? What the fuck.

New campaigns? New Weapons and Monsters? So...a DLC then? I played the L4D2 demo and was bored and unimpressed half-way through the campaign in the demo and just quit out and deleted it, I actually went back to play L4D1 after it to make sure my feelings weren't unfounded. They weren't. Zombies aren't scary during the DAY.

Also, one of the biggest arguments against MW2 is that its the "same old game", when thats WAY WAY off. MW2 is almost TOO different from COD4, but damn if it isn't fun.

 

[Zeraki]

Yay, another Modern Warfare 2 thread. I haven't even played this game and I'm already sick of it.

On topic now.

It is rather ridiculous that people are giving it a low rating just because of the multiplayer though. But I guess that's just the way people work, they kick and scream like children and drag the rest of the gaming community down with them. That's how negative gaming stereotypes start.

No the problem is PC gamers lack something to brag about to console gamers now, so they feel like they should just give it a bad rating.

That's something I've never understood, even as a kid it never mattered to me what platform the game was on, just as long as the game was good. People get way too worked up about stupid things like that.

 

[scotth266]

It's already been explained several times what the problem is.

I meant as in terms of lag. People can't ***** about that at least, because if the console version and the PC version run off the same system, and the console version has no lag, the PC version has no lag.

If your problem is dedicated servers, and it's for reasons other than lag, fine: but that has nothing to do with my post. My post was simply saying that I don't think there is gonna be lag, unless maybe if someone is running a ton of external applications.

 

[Doktor Merkwurdigliebe]

I put it to the forums that it is illogical to score the PC version of Modern Warfare 2 at a LOWER level than the console version just because a few aspects are merely "Not better".

You still get:
-mouse aim
-fully mappable controls
-1080p+ resolution & maximum Anti-aliasing while still 60fps (on even basic PC hardware)
-Free online multiplayer

THANK YOU GODS OF GAMING FOR ALLOWING ME TO PLAY ON MY PC USING PC CONTROLS.

Now seriously, your ignorance is showing.
Stop that.

 

[DevilSShadoW]

What people fail to realize is that consoles are NOT PC SUBSTITUTES, they are merely alternatives to gaming. I honestly can't even begin to imagine how someone could call themselves a "console gamer"...
You can't be a console gamer because a console is just a means of entertainment whereas the PC is a way of life. A real gamer doesn't sit on a comfy couch at noon hours laughing it off with his buddies over a game of tekken, a real gamer spends his nights stressing the hell out of his favorite game/genre, constantly thinking about how the said game/genre could be improved and most importantly being able to have a coherent conversation that would include lots of technical data about the said matter. Anybody that started playing games on a console and is now calling themselves a "console gamer" should be shot in the head/heart for being a moron.
The PC was, is and always will be the training ground for a true gamer. Developers may try to force us onto consoles and in a way they might succeed ( i own a console as well but it mostly gathers dust) but nobody with half a brain will ever abandon their PC in favor of consoles.
This is relevant to this thread because this is what IW is trying to do with MW2. They are trying to prove that the game is the same across all the gaming medias yet just a tad bit better on the consoles, in hope that gamers would miraculously go "OH LOOK" and forget where they came from. News flash: NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
The metacritic MW2 PC score proves it and i have to say i'm proud of every pc gamers that maintains his/her opinion on the matter.

 

[willsham45]

NO it is what they usally have on PC games that they are taking away.
Its like say all games having a voice chat function, that was the norm that is what you use and are happy with and then they take it away probally not the best example but it is what we expect.
You cannot give and then later take away, ever consol players dont have that problem any deductions are mininal, you dont notice them, but this is big.

 

[Fricken Hamster]

To me, all the nerfs are economically motivated.

My theory: Activision want to sell mods and maps and other commonly available thing you can get for a server

In order to do this, they cannot have everyone running around with their own servers, so they remove dedicated servers, and along with that, they removed mods.
Now there the problem of needing servers for players to play one.
They have 2 choices, IW's own servers, or listen servers hosted by gameplayers

But then they have another problem. Bandwidth is expensive. Most PC gamers don't have the bandwidth to host large servers. So they cap player limit at 9v9.

If theres one thing people hate, its greedy companies. And most PC gamers have an innate ability to sense economically motivated actions, although some dont know it.

 

[xanto53]

It's not illogical! Imagine if a PC developer tried to foist PC problems on consoles?

I'm not buying it myself, it shows the start of a bad trend. I'm buying Left 4 Dead 2, a good PC and console game that is good on both.

Yes I agree, can't wait for Left 4 Dead 2.

 

[Discon]

What you don't get is that PEOPLE HAVE TO POST ON THEIR OWN COMPUTERS!!!!

Most people only have 0.5-2 mbit upload, most servers have 100 mbit up and 100 mbit down... Therefore everyone but the person hosting will have a huge ping.

You really want to play with 300 ping?